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[ment0smintz]

Simi pillar all leeching on the systems

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No sinkie stinkapore won't die; just import more ft. No ft to import stinkapore sure die. Not pillars then what!?? You tell me lah.

 

[mryang]

No sinkie stinkapore won't die; just import more ft. No ft to import stinkapore sure die. Not pillars then what!?? You tell me lah.

yup then during war who protect stinkapore ???

 

[jinmuddy]

I have an anecdotal experience about WDA and the JobBank of a Singaporean lady in her 30s who used to be a senior regional marketing head for a MNC payment company, not much different from MasterCard.

I'm telling her story because she is one of the more conscientious person I know, always responsible and producing the results when it counts. Her promotion to the regional head role at her previous firm is testament of her hard work, abilities and attitude. Definitely not those talk only, cannot deliver worker.

She was retrenched last year when the marketing head changed to a FT.

The MNC company, her marketing role position and her FT boss are still around in Singapore.

She had applied to all the marketing jobs available then in the market, including the WDA JobBank which listed many MNC regional/Asia-Pacific marketing role. She was hopeful initially as her 10-years plus experience and skillsets were a perfect fit at these MNCs' marketing roles.

After 3-4 months there was still no news, she got no choice but turned to WDA for assistance. They counselled her advising that she needed re-training and prepare for a career change and lowered expectations in her job search etc. and then sent her to some 2-day CV courses, taught by one of those ex-PMET trainers who was previously retrenched themselves and thus were teaching courses there on Government's grants and subsidies.

WDA spammed her with the same JobBanks jobs which she applied to more than 200 of them of which she got ZERO interview or call ups.

In the end, through her own effort, she took more than ten months to find another position, doing e-marketing for online IT courses. Her salary was one-third what she used to get and the job is ill-fitting for her decade-long international/regional marketing experience, talents and skills.

So today, she is definitely under-employed in her own country, barely making ends meet while her daily living cost kept creeping up. She has also sensibly gave up driving at the third month of her unemployment and relied on public transport for her new job from her Simei home to Science Park II.

So her standard of living definitely did go down too.

She went through all these whilst her previous MNC company, job, role and functions are still around here in Singapore enjoying all the security and tax-perks.

Over the same period, Singapore also created many relevant good-paying jobs and roles as can be seen on the WDA JobBank and that she applied to, but were never called up.

And Singapore imported more than 369,000 FTs last year to do PMET roles.....

Of the 369,000 PMETs positions, how many can 100,000 unemployed Singaporeans not be able to do?

And we have not even examined the issues of under-employed Singaporeans in their own country.

What's the logic or just simple economic sense?

The gahmen gets a big cut of revenue from those Fts when they work here. Gets not much outta sinkie income tax. Better to let sinkies die first.

 

[Savantrainmaker]

http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/e...ed-192300-jobless-citizens-@3-5%-5610702.html

 

[fox1]

Opinions matter, no matter from who.

 

[Savantrainmaker]

Source: http://www.straitstimes.com/singapo...rce=Facebook&xtor=CS1-10#link_time=1493546693

WHat a self contradicting speech.

1. "Economy's picking up...."

2. "We need to work hard to fight unemployment for Singaporeans..."

3. Fact: LHL's Government approved record number of foreigners into Singapore in 2016. 192,300 of foreigners on EP-pass, 31,050 New PRs and 22,102 New Citizens all in ONE YEAR!!!

 

[ImFromPipiForum]

To be honest, some industrial really need ft. Esp fnb and service line or hotel.

If these industrials are blooming, cfm more and more ft will come

 

[Savantrainmaker]

To be honest, some industrial really need ft. Esp fnb and service line or hotel.

If these industrials are blooming, cfm more and more ft will come

This chart sums up the current 'labour crunch and de-sync' quite well.

LHL's increased white-collared FTs from 187k to 192k in 2016

while at the same time, reducing blue-collared foreign laboured from 997k to 992k.....

 

[BERSERK1980]

Hard truths. This country is getting raped from the inside out and nobody is doing **** about it.

 

[leonhartz]

To be honest, some industrial really need ft. Esp fnb and service line or hotel.

If these industrials are blooming, cfm more and more ft will come

We are fine with foreign workers coming in to work these jobs. It is those black farkers at Chennai Biz Park etc that people are pissed off about

 

[Savantrainmaker]

Singapore is a country that needs Globalization to thrive and even survive. Don't anyhow assume others' problems are the same as our problems.

Globalization is to our advantage NOW, we have all the pull factors to attract the best brains... But what if other cities catch up and we no longer the city of choice? Can our industries continue to support them? Or will we have over capacity infrastructure when they go en mass? Like the closure of schools? Can we be so short sighted for unsustainable economics gains?

@WoollyMammoth and others who are arguing the case for Globalization blindly without a valid basis, you would need to look at the both the historical and current facts and figures before regurgitating the SG mass media line that Globalization is the solution to all of SG's economic problems. It's a panadol temporary pain-relief at best.

@SOS9112001. First, from the recent economic data and numbers, Globalization's no longer advantageous to Singapore. But You raised up a important point - that other countries will catch up with Singapore one day. Do you realize that by opening up Singapore economic borders unchecked, Singapore's actually training up our regional countries workforce to compete directly with Singapore one day?

We have actually seen this happening when MNCs started to re-locate their Asia-Pacific business centres like operations centres to those former third-world country that has acquired more skilled labour who returned from Singapore after a couple of years?

MNCs moved because Globalization or the mass influx of bodies into Singapore has increased the business cost of land for commercial, residential and leisure purposes. Coupled with the fact that our neighbouring countries' workforce has attained critical masses of skilled labour, MNCs are making the move that makes economic sense easily.

What's the long-term impacts to Singapore as we accelerated the training and skill levels of our neighbouring competitors?


The passe phenomenon of Globalization started in 2004 when LHL began his mass imports of FTs after he came into office in August, three days after SG39 National Day.

Before LHL took over the premiership, Singapore always have had good and sustainable economic growth from the 70s, 80s throughout 90s and even early 2000s.

Even before the word Globalization was coined, being a trading port-city, Singapore was always a free-port and open economy, resulting in our economy being well-correlated with the up and down movements of the global economy.

After LHL opened the floodgates to the FTs from 2004 onwards, Singapore's economic cycles became extremely volatile.

Just look at the abnormal high spikes in GDP after GFC from 2009 to 2011. And followed by prolonged trough periods of negative and low growths from 2011 till 2016, even when the rest of the world was enjoying healthy growth over the same period.

LHL's use of FTs to boost economic growth is unsustainable and myopic. It's like using drugs such as cocaine - giving a super-short high, followed by a very bad and long slump.

Worse, Singapore core economic capabilities and fundamentals were damaged during this period, characterised by high cost and low productivity.

White-collared FTs replaced the highly educated Singaporeans in PMETs jobs at MNCs, not by meritocracy or better skills; but by their own countrymen networks.

Blue-collared foreign workers were let in en-masse, depressing the wages of Singaporean rank-and-file workers, whilst letting SME owners enjoy quick short-term profits without the need to invest into technology and machineries.

All these lower quality FT workforce, together with their increasing numbers every year increased cost-pressure whilst lowering our national productivity.

Consequently, Singapore's global competitiveness fell because of the higher cost and lower productivity.

Just look at Singapore's prolonged economic under-performance against our regional neighbours ever since the high spikes.

The spikes and troughs during LHL's administration are abnormal and unusual throughout Singapore's modern economic history.

Look at the chart, before LHL took over in 2004, Singapore always had a healthy balance of economic growth. (falling within the two RED bands).

Yes before 2004 and the word Globalization was invented, there were real and high-quality FTs too, coming in to complement Singapore's organic labour force, not replacing Singaporeans, making citizens under-employed in their own country after so much tax-dollars were spent on educating a typical Singaporean till tertiary levels.

Singapore's economic development and balance in the last 12 years was severely disrupted and damaged by LHL's myopic FT policy.


AFTERNOTE:

Another thesis at the moment is that LHL, through his liberal immigration policy for short-term GDP spikes has unwittingly became the labour training school for ASEAN and Sub-Continent Asia (e.g. India).

FTs who were allowed into Singapore got all the on-the-job trainings ahead of Singaporeans. FTs get all the relevant trainings in MNCs when jobless Singaporeans were asked to attend government-ran SkillsFuture that did not guarantee a job after the training.

When the SG economy is good, these ASEAN & Indian FTs earned good money in Singapore, remit their earnings back to their home countries, whilst spending minimally to stimulate the domestic economy. Jobless or unemployed Singaporeans tighten their belt and spent lesser than before. Consequently, the wealth-creation effects in Singapore is diminished significantly even as the bodies packed in and the population grew to 5.7 million.

Worse, when the SG economy is bad, FTs return to their home nations with the relevant skills-sets that MNCs desire to start their local operations. They become Singapore's strong regional competition for MNCs to set up base.

These ASEAN and Sub-Continent Asian nations with their now skilled-labour and natural abundance of Land, easily wins these MNCs over at Singapore's expense.

Singapore in a bad economy cannot re-build quickly because it is stucked with citizens with SkillsFuture skills that MNCs least require and hence Singapore and Singaporeans are losing the regional economic race, much less the global competition.

Just go take a peek at the recent performance of the regional economies vis-a-vis Singapore's current state of economy.

 

[evets]

We have reach a stage where whatever things govt say ... we doubt that it's people first. The journey to the next 50 years will be tough.

 

[Savantrainmaker]

Dont be daft.

U see Thailand selling imported rice?

U see Japan selling imported fish?

U see Saudi selling imported oil?

Sg's only resource is human and we are favouring imports rather than our own.

Nice analogy. Only flaw is those countries have an abundance of their resources while we dont have an abundance of humans

Abundance of Uber, Grab as well as Taxi Drivers?

More than 200000 of them with at least 75% plying the roads everyday to make ends meet and feed their families.

Many of whom are SG universities graduates, some with even Masters and PhD degrees.

What don't we import cheap foreigners as drivers and free up the public-funded uni grad drivers to take up higher value creation jobs

Jobs in Singapore currently given to some 370,000 plus high salaried FTs earning an mean monthly wage of well above $4,000 in Singapore today?


PS: And we haven't talk about under-employed Singaporeans like those uni-grad selling insurance, bank products and property agents.

We are importing skilled foreigners particularly because we have a small talent pool??


I see the opp like to push a simplistic view to its followers. "Oh 1000 jobless in the country? Just kick 1000 FT out lah" "Oh prices are high? Just reduce GST and Taxes" TADA!!! Problem solved. Mind boggling why the gov don't implement with these simple solutions and run away with 100% mandate.

So characters like Yang Yin, Nisha and tens of thousands fake degrees, fake payslips foreigners possessed skills that Singapore and Singaporeans does not have?

Hmmmm, you're probably right on this count.....

PS: And by the way, PAP IB's like to indulge in the "black or white" fallacy. "Cannot replace 1000 for 1000". We are not saying no to FTs. Yes, by all means if they indeed possess skills that Singaporeans do not have.

But is this the case on the ground?

If so why are the statistics pointing the other ways?

We have the highest ever number of FTs on the island. Is the economy doing much better than ever? Achieving the highest growth and innovation rates?

Is Singapore today under LHL creating an exponential number of new jobs for Singaporeans and fresh graduates from school?

Are our fresh graduates snapped up 3, 6, 9 or even 12 months before graduation as an high-growth economy, high-value and tight labour market should be?

Are we experiencing the lowest ever unemployment rate of Singaporeans - a clear indicator of a tight labour market such that FTs need to be imported en masse to 'complement the local workforce'?

 

[jgyy1990]

erm can up our salary

 

[Savantrainmaker]

Singapore had been on a downwards spiral - socio-economically - under the current LHL's administration....

 

[Savantrainmaker]

Families Ties Scheme? Orlang got what ties here

there are pple living here in decades who are still stateless

i think govt also pick and choose who to give citizenship lah...
mayb if u earn more and able to contribute to the country(income tax^^) they get approve faster



Xmm from poor family apply 11 year den can get !!

Sometimes, it really irks me when true-blue Singaporeans - born and breed here - with a genuine commitment to contribute to nation building are not even given a proper citizenship and passport.

While I have a few South Asians friends that were given university scholarships at NUS/NTU, never served a single day of national service but took up citizenship and used the red passport to hop to the US on Singapore's quota of H1-B1s...

 

[Vritsme]

Singapore never had so many foreigners on employment passes in her history!!!!

Thank the evil self serving pinnky.

 

[Savantrainmaker]

http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/e...nally-admits-job-market-not-good-5757649.html

 

[GundamKnight]

This chart sums up the current 'labour crunch and de-sync' quite well.

LHL's increased white-collared FTs from 187k to 192k in 2016

while at the same time, reducing blue-collared foreign laboured from 997k to 992k.....

its cumulative right, not year on year

 

[Savantrainmaker]

its cumulative right, not year on year

Figures are cumulative in each single vertical columns.

Year on year growth are comparison across horizontal columns with each year stated on top.