COSC is an independant entitiy but it's well known that rolex is probably the only brand keeping it alive at the moment. Many manufactures have dumped COSC as a benchmark as it says nothing about the end product. Normally a mechanical watch with a variance of +/-10sec a day would be good enough. Normally, watches are calibrated to be slightly faster. Any well made watch that has been properly adjusted by a good watchmaker should be capable of a running within a tolerance of about 2-3 seconds a day. If accuracy is the biggest concern, i would advise dumping your mechanical watch at home and getting a $5 pasar malam quartz watch instead.ohlins said:well, unless there is a new testing programme with tighter specs, there is no way of knowing which movement is the most accurate.....at the very least, cosc is independent........is the current specs of -4/+6 secs per day good enuff? perhaps it is....most ppl that buy a swiss mechanical watch probably dun give a damn anyway......if they want anything more accurate, then a quartz watch is a better choice...
other manufactures can claim how good their own QC is.......to me that is akin to blowing their own trumpet.....the specs could be super duper tight......but there is no independent assessment.......at the end of the day, brand A can claim their engine makes 250 hp but until someone dynos the engine and reveals the actual performance chart, it is still a manufacturer claimed 250 hp....
haha ultimately we can all argue until the cows come home......but the fact remains that rolex makes good quality watches that r pretty accurate at slightly unreasonable prices....![]()
nautilus said:One thing to correct, rolex makes watches of reasonable quality that are overpriced. A Grande Seiko costs less and is better finiehed, not to mention more accurate, than a rolex. But Chinese being Chinese are always blinded by the "5 matchsticks" than anything else.
nautilus said:COSC is an independant entitiy but it's well known that rolex is probably the only brand keeping it alive at the moment. Many manufactures have dumped COSC as a benchmark as it says nothing about the end product. Normally a mechanical watch with a variance of +/-10sec a day would be good enough. Normally, watches are calibrated to be slightly faster. Any well made watch that has been properly adjusted by a good watchmaker should be capable of a running within a tolerance of about 2-3 seconds a day. If accuracy is the biggest concern, i would advise dumping your mechanical watch at home and getting a $5 pasar malam quartz watch instead.
One thing to correct, rolex makes watches of reasonable quality that are overpriced. A Grande Seiko costs less and is better finiehed, not to mention more accurate, than a rolex. But Chinese being Chinese are always blinded by the "5 matchsticks" than anything else.
You sound very defensive of the Rolex brand. If you think COSC is the ultimate yardstick, or Rolex (or Omega for the matter of fact) has the best testing procedures on the face of this planet, then probably it's time to open your mind to other testing methodologies. I did not say +/- 10 sec was good enough for me but i specifically mentioned that it was for a mechanical watch. I did also mention that with proper regulation, it could go into a region of <3 sec a day variance and that IS good enough for me.ohlins said:manufactures have their own agenda about cosc.....i dun intend to second guess their intentions.....anyway breitling too strongly believes in achieving chronometer status for their watches.....mechanical and quartz alike.......look at the number of certs for omega....obviously they believe cosc says something about the end product....
if u believe that +/-10 secs is good enuff, then JLC must have nothing better to do than to have their watches undergo a stringent in-house test....
as for accuracy, i expect my chronometers to perform like chronometers. period.
value is relative and subjective. obviously u think rolex is overpriced and of cos u have the right to think that way. it's also my right to disagree. talking about GS, i dun even find it attractive to look at, let alone wanna buy and wear it.
i think it's an insult to state that "Chinese being Chinese are always blinded by the "5 matchsticks" than anything else". there will always be ppl, chinese or not, who are blinded. and there will always be ppl, who simply like rolex cos they find it worthy of their dollars.....and there will always be ppl who think they know better to be able to deem others as blind.
it's a free world out there.
nautilus said:You sound very defensive of the Rolex brand. If you think COSC is the ultimate yardstick, or Rolex (or Omega for the matter of fact) has the best testing procedures on the face of this planet, then probably it's time to open your mind to other testing methodologies. I did not say +/- 10 sec was good enough for me but i specifically mentioned that it was for a mechanical watch. I did also mention that with proper regulation, it could go into a region of <3 sec a day variance and that IS good enough for me.
Just FYI, i'm not coming from somewhere where i do not know anything about COSC and simply just ranting for the sake of it. I have a COSC watch myself but i do not thing there's anything "superlative" with the COSC procedures.
With regards to the last part, i'm not being racist here (well i'm chinese too), but it is simply well known that it is intrinsic in the chinese culture to treat the "5 matchsticks" as the epitome of all timepieces and status.
I agree that it's a free world out there and the purpose of my post is to dispell the belief that COSC is the ultimate benchmark for watch tests. I expected to attract some outrageously defensive posts by fanboys and i happen to be right. Remember, no where did i say that Rolex was a bad watch. It was all perception that made it so.
yahs stick to buying casio betters - change betterys cans liaosblazingfield said:wah this thread 132 pages lol
branding loh...and japan how to fight with swiss long history of watchmaking...and rolex got better resale + easier to let and easier available servicing center...nautilus said:One thing to correct, rolex makes watches of reasonable quality that are overpriced. A Grande Seiko costs less and is better finiehed, not to mention more accurate, than a rolex. But Chinese being Chinese are always blinded by the "5 matchsticks" than anything else.
Haha that's true. But too bad it's us who want it so much that we give it nicknames.benqhoo said:branding loh...and japan how to fight with swiss long history of watchmaking...and rolex got better resale + easier to let and easier available servicing center...
i see timezone also many ang mo kana "5 matchsticks" blindness wah...not only chinese..just look at the rolex forums Posts/Topics numbers there...![]()
khimwoon said:last check at dickson suntec... rolex price still the old one... but it will be pretty soon the increase will come... so those looking to getting thier piece... better hurry up laio...
i jus got my datejust a few month back... still thinking should i get another rolex...
khimwoon said:pretty bz at work... usually jus surf ard hwz but without posting... saving up money... haha