Understanding SG Bond Fund (A35)

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Hi, I have some questions on the Singapore Bond fund to strengthen my understanding of it.

Firstly, I understand that the underlying assets of A35 are Singapore govt bonds. When these bonds reach maturity the find manager just uses this money to buy new bonds.

1) So why does the NAV/Intraday NAV listed on the nikkoam website change daily? Is it because everyday some bonds reach maturity and the fund manager buys a lower/higher value bond?

In order words, how does the value of the bond fund change?


2) How is the price of the bond fund increasing steadily over the years? Is it solely due to the yield paid out by the underlying Singapore bonds? How does the fund pay out dividends then?

3) Is it possible for the fund to be overvalued or undervalued? Currently it is trading tightly within 1 cent difference. Is it possible for the fund to trade well above or well below NAV?
 

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1) So why does the NAV/Intraday NAV listed on the nikkoam website change daily?
It's fundamentally the same reason that the value of individual bonds fluctuates on the secondary market: supply and demand factors, equalized through fluctuating interest rates.

Suppose that you are holding a bond that pays 2% interest ($2 per year coupon on every $100 of face value) for 20 years and that you purchased the bond at precisely face value. After you purchase the bond, interest rates rise to 2.1%. The value of your bond must fall because it's paying a below market interest rate. All of this can and does happen within seconds, even milliseconds, in large financial markets.

2) How is the price of the bond fund increasing steadily over the years?
That's harder to answer. It depends on how the fund managers have structured the fund. However, interest rates have generally trended downward in recent years, so if the fund bought long bonds (long time to maturity) then the share price should increase. Those long bonds with relatively high coupons are worth more. Another possibility is a reverse split, or a set of reverse splits. In a reverse split, if you hold 100 shares of the fund then, after market close on a certain date, you suddenly own 50. That is, every shareholder holds half the number of shares they did. The fund as a whole is worth exactly the same, so on that date the share price doubles. So you hold 50 shares worth $10 each instead of 100 shares worth $5 each, for example. (Then market price adjustments proceed, per normal.) Or they could have had some share buybacks, meaning they use fund proceeds (such as coupon payments) to buy back their own shares of the fund on the open market. Those buybacks reduce the number of shares outstanding, and that pushes up the share price.

Lots of options. You can read the prospectus to determine which method(s) they're using.

3) Is it possible for the fund to be overvalued or undervalued?
Possible, sure. For example, if the fund managers are accused of fraud, the fund's value will probably fall because investors are rightly concerned they don't have clear title to the purported bond holdings. But is that "undervalued"? No, it's just what the market valuation of the fund is, that's all. There's nothing magical about the "Net Asset Value" (NAV). The NAV can also fluctuate wildly -- it's possible.
 

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Bbcwatcher, the main factor why bond fund increases steadily is easy to answer. Basically a bond's price has 2 components, the principal and the accrued interest. On a daily basis, assuming interest rate doesn't change, the bond price goes up by the amount of interest accrued for the day. It is called as clean price and dirty price. Clean price is just the principal and dirty price is principal + interest accrued. On the date of coupon payment, the bond price falls because the coupon gets paid out, similar to dividend paid out by shares.

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It's fundamentally the same reason that the value of individual bonds fluctuates on the secondary market: supply and demand factors, equalized through fluctuating interest rates.

Suppose that you are holding a bond that pays 2% interest ($2 per year coupon on every $100 of face value) for 20 years and that you purchased the bond at precisely face value. After you purchase the bond, interest rates rise to 2.1%. The value of your bond must fall because it's paying a below market interest rate. All of this can and does happen within seconds, even milliseconds, in large financial markets.


That's harder to answer. It depends on how the fund managers have structured the fund. However, interest rates have generally trended downward in recent years, so if the fund bought long bonds (long time to maturity) then the share price should increase. Those long bonds with relatively high coupons are worth more. Another possibility is a reverse split, or a set of reverse splits. In a reverse split, if you hold 100 shares of the fund then, after market close on a certain date, you suddenly own 50. That is, every shareholder holds half the number of shares they did. The fund as a whole is worth exactly the same, so on that date the share price doubles. So you hold 50 shares worth $10 each instead of 100 shares worth $5 each, for example. (Then market price adjustments proceed, per normal.) Or they could have had some share buybacks, meaning they use fund proceeds (such as coupon payments) to buy back their own shares of the fund on the open market. Those buybacks reduce the number of shares outstanding, and that pushes up the share price.

Lots of options. You can read the prospectus to determine which method(s) they're using.


Possible, sure. For example, if the fund managers are accused of fraud, the fund's value will probably fall because investors are rightly concerned they don't have clear title to the purported bond holdings. But is that "undervalued"? No, it's just what the market valuation of the fund is, that's all. There's nothing magical about the "Net Asset Value" (NAV). The NAV can also fluctuate wildly -- it's possible.

NAV of bond fund increase daily due to interest accrued from their underlying bonds, nothing to do with share spilt and share buyback. You think too much.
 

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Next question will be why will the bond price be negatively correlated with the stock market, assuming there will be no external reasons causing a stock market crash.

If the government raises interest rates, then stock prices will generally fall as people will opt for safer options with higher interest rates. But that will mean that the bond NAV will fall too right since the new bonds issued will have a higher interest rate?

Unless of course people are so desperate for a safe haven to park their money after a scandalous crash so they rush to overpay for bonds. Which is still kind of stupid why any would anyone pay over NAV for A35?
 

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Hi, I have some questions on the Singapore Bond fund to strengthen my understanding of it.

Firstly, I understand that the underlying assets of A35 are Singapore govt bonds. When these bonds reach maturity the find manager just uses this money to buy new bonds.

1) So why does the NAV/Intraday NAV listed on the nikkoam website change daily? Is it because everyday some bonds reach maturity and the fund manager buys a lower/higher value bond?
In order words, how does the value of the bond fund change?

The NAV reflects the market price of the bonds that are in the portfolio. SGS trade in an active market, like any other bond, or like a stock.

If there's lots of demand to buy Singapore government bonds, their price goes up, so the fund's NAV goes up. It's the same as for an equity ETF.

2) How is the price of the bond fund increasing steadily over the years? Is it solely due to the yield paid out by the underlying Singapore bonds? How does the fund pay out dividends then?

It's been pretty much flat since 2012 - which is what you want from a bond fund. You want it to be a nice stable place to park your cash and earn better-than-bank-interest.

From 2008 to 2012, it moved pretty steadily higher; the reason for that is that interest rates collapsed after the GFC, so the price of the bonds that the fund was holding rocketed higher.

3) Is it possible for the fund to be overvalued or undervalued? Currently it is trading tightly within 1 cent difference. Is it possible for the fund to trade well above or well below NAV?

Sure, this can happen, though it's extremely rare.

There are market-makers active in A35 that trade the ETF against the basket of bonds underlying it. If A35 gets expensive compared to its NAV, they can buy the bonds that make up A35's portfolio, in the right proportions; deliver those to Nikko; and get (relatively expensive) shares of A35 in return. Then they can sell those shares, for more than they paid for the bonds.

Conversely, if A35 trades cheap, they can buy shares of A35, crack them open for the bonds (in practice, this involves handing the shares back to Nikko and saying "bonds plzkthx"), and then sell the bonds for more than they paid to buy the A35.

If the market makers step out of the market, maybe because the market is exceptionally volatile or just because the computers are tired and want a snooze, then there won't be an active arbitrageur between the stock price and its NAV. In that case, yep, it can swing away from its NAV, but:

1) It'll come back when the arbitrageurs come back; and,
2) You might be able to sell high or buy low if you're rebalancing in the meantime.

Next question will be why will the bond price be negatively correlated with the stock market, assuming there will be no external reasons causing a stock market crash.

This is just "one of those things". Think of it as a flow thing: when stocks go down, people flood into bonds because they're a "safe haven". When stocks go up, people flood from bonds into stocks because they want to ride the wave.

If the government raises interest rates, then stock prices will generally fall as people will opt for safer options with higher interest rates. But that will mean that the bond NAV will fall too right since the new bonds issued will have a higher interest rate?

The bond NAV will fall, but stock prices won't necessarily fall.

Intuitively, it might make sense to think "interest rates go up, therefore the discount rate applied to stock earnings should go up, therefore the price should go down". But what happens in practice is that interest rates tend to go up because central banks hike short rates; and central banks tend to hike short rates because the economy's doing well. And when an economy's doing well, stocks tend to go up.

This paper from TIAA, a big investment group in the USA, digs a little deeper. They argue that the correlation swings from negative to positive and back, but also (page 5), they note that equity valuations tend to rise as economies recover. That's what we've seen in the USA over the last few years: higher stock valuations even though interest rates have risen.

Bbcwatcher, the main factor why bond fund increases steadily is easy to answer. Basically a bond's price has 2 components, the principal and the accrued interest. On a daily basis, assuming interest rate doesn't change, the bond price goes up by the amount of interest accrued for the day. It is called as clean price and dirty price. Clean price is just the principal and dirty price is principal + interest accrued. On the date of coupon payment, the bond price falls because the coupon gets paid out, similar to dividend paid out by shares.

So there's a nuance here.

The bonds underneath the ETF can be traded clean or dirty, but the bond ETF itself is always priced on a dirty basis, like any other stock. Whenever one of the underlying bonds pays a coupon, or redeems, the fund will just take that money and add it to its value, and then pay it out as a dividend at the end of the year.

Accrued interest gives the fund's price a sawtooth pattern. All other things being equal, it ticks up over the course of a year as the bonds in the fund pay their coupons, then it gaps down on the day the dividend gets paid.
 

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Wonder if smarter to buy the government bonds direct or buy this fund? This fund after commission the annual dividend is about 1.5%? The only reason to own this fund is for the annual dividend?
 

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Bbcwatcher, the main factor why bond fund increases steadily is easy to answer....
What you describe is not generally applicable. It doesn't apply to large bond funds with diverse holdings, in particular. (Such funds have bonds maturing and paying coupons practically every day.) Also, it's not "steadily" increasing, as in never ending. It's cyclically increasing. Shiny Things then explains the "sawtooth" pattern, which is actually how it works -- and not unique to bond funds. The same pattern is observable with dividend paying stocks, as a notable example.

The fund's prospectus should reveal what's going on. I wouldn't assume -- lots of variations are possible.
 
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Wonder if smarter to buy the government bonds direct or buy this fund?
If you're going to buy bonds at initial issue, hold bonds to maturity, and are satisfied with the issuance calendar (which is very limited in Singapore, with each maturity coming to auction generally only once per year), then I'd just buy direct. If one or more of those assumptions is violated, then you might consider a (low cost) bond fund.
 

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What you describe is not generally applicable. It doesn't apply to large bond funds with diverse holdings, in particular. (Such funds have bonds maturing and paying coupons practically every day.) Also, it's not "steadily" increasing, as in never ending. It's cyclically increasing.

The fund's prospectus should reveal what's going on. I wouldn't assume -- lots of variations are possible.
Well, theoretically what I said should apply to bond funds as well no matter how big they are. The concept of bonds is the same. The coupon getting paid by bonds stays in the bond fund so its value should still increase steadily. If not I won't call it a stable bond fund.

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This is just "one of those things". Think of it as a flow thing: when stocks go down, people flood into bonds because they're a "safe haven". When stocks go up, people flood from bonds into stocks because they want to ride the wave.
Globally, that's probably true, in the aggregate. But that's not always true on a national or regional level, at least in countries without effective capital controls. If investors sour on Singapore as Singapore, then Singaporean stocks, bonds, REITs, and everything else Singaporean can fall in value, even a lot. Likewise, if investors become more interested in Singapore as Singapore, all boats can rise with the tide. The smaller the country and its markets, the more likely a negative bond-stock correlation is broken, ceteris paribus.
 

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Well, theoretically what I said should apply to bond funds as well no matter how big they are.
Nope. It's quite possible to have daily fund distributions. Big institutional investors may enjoy such privileges. The saw teeth can be very small indeed.

Or you can have what I think is called a "passthrough" fund, meaning the coupons are passed through immediately to fund shareholders. Then there's no regular quarterly, annual, monthly, or whatever calendar interval distribution. It's just whenever the coupons happen, at whatever irregular intervals they happen (irregular from the fund aggregate perspective).

And then you can have distressed bonds, with irregular coupons for that reason. But that situation wouldn't apply to AAA rated Singapore government bonds. At least not while they're still AAA rated.

I suppose you could also have scrip distributions, forced or as an option. Forced scrip would be an "accumulating" fund, of a sort.

Anyway, fund managers are endlessly creative, subject to regulatory requirements (if any). You just have to read the prospectus to see what's going on with a particular fund. (I'm writing in the abstract here about many various possibilities.)
 
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noob question.
So, if I invest 10K in A35, what can I expect in monthly income, or how frequent are the distributions?
The fact sheet shows -0.44% return for the year. Is that because the NAV fluctuates?
Thanks.
 

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noob question.
So, if I invest 10K in A35, what can I expect in monthly income, or how frequent are the distributions?
The fact sheet shows -0.44% return for the year. Is that because the NAV fluctuates?
Thanks.

Early Jan .

About 1.8% pa.

Based on 2017 dividend of $0.0214

It fluctuates yearly.
 
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