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You are right, all theme parks squeezed into our last week is an overkill. I'll either break my knees or bored to death.

Santa Monica sound like a good place. It's 50min drive from Anaheim so I think will finish my holiday with a day break in the beach. (just hope its not too cold in Dec).

Err...need to ask you something you discourage most...shopping. Well, if you go with wife, few malls and outlet is inevitable. Which malls and factory outlet is most worth a visit? I was told SF has a Fashion Outlet that we should not missed. How about Gilroy or any major mall?

Then you're gonna have a bad time in Anaheim, because it's basically theme parks and suburbia.



You're spending way too long in Los Angeles then. Head elsewhere.

Hollywood isn't particularly good if you're not into the theme parks and movie glamour thing. You already have a Universal Studios in Singapore, so skip that.

I'd be inclined to head to the beach instead of to downtown. Laguna Beach and Newport Beach (both quite nice) are just down the road from Anaheim; or you can fight through Los Angeles' notorious traffic to get to Santa Monica, which is totally worth it because the Santa Monica Boardwalk is great, and Venice Beach is a pretty interesting experience as well.

You might even want to head over the hills to Palm Springs, about an hour and a half drive east of Anaheim, instead of the beach. It's got beautiful desert scenery, great shopping, and lots of really fascinating mid-century modern architecture.
 

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Yes, It is somewhat that price for SUV. My 15days 7seater van cost 500pound. I am given an option with additional 90pound for the following which I am not sure if I should take it?

All Inclusive
£506.83
✓ Unlimited Mileage
✓ Collision Damage Waiver
✓ Extended Protection
✓ Sales Tax
✓ State Tax
✓ One GPS Handset and Airport Fees


Gold/Platinum
£592.73
✓ Unlimited Mileage
✓ Collision Damage Waiver
✓ Extended Protection
✓ Sales Tax
✓ State Tax
✓ Airport Fees
✓ Additional Driver Charges (wife may drive)
✓ One GPS Handset
✓ One Tank of Fuel

The website does not state the amount for the one way fee.. I am selecting from Salt Lake to Los Angeles but the final price does not have the one way fee.. wonder why?
 

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The website does not state the amount for the one way fee.. I am selecting from Salt Lake to Los Angeles but the final price does not have the one way fee.. wonder why?

normally will have 1 way fee. Only exception I heard is alamo for car rentals within california, nevada or arizona.

I just came back from US, rented Hyundai Accent 2013 for 8 days from SF to LV. Ard £133 via carhire3000. Read my earlier post on tricks to get krisflyer miles.
 

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Anyone driven from SFO to Las Vegas? Googlemap says approx 9.5hrs. Will it be stressful for first time driver in States?
Alternatively can take a flight but that will set us US$130*4.

When you going las vegas. Damn hot during summer and I wont recommend unless you are really into casino or the other performances.

Edit: Din note that u going in Dec. Can consider driving SF - napa valley - Yosemite - Death valley - las Vegas
 
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Looking around for rental car for my visit to yosmemite, Vegas and the tri-state park s. Rentalcars / carhire3000 quoted 253 pounds for a 14-day mid-sized SUV (Ford escape) rental supplied by Hertz. Pick up at Ellis street, SF and includes Unlimited miles, insurance (CDW, Theft Protection, 3rd Party Liability,Supplementary Liability) and local taxes.

Should I get it or is it too good to be true?

how many passenger?
 

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You are right, all theme parks squeezed into our last week is an overkill. I'll either break my knees or bored to death.

Santa Monica sound like a good place. It's 50min drive from Anaheim so I think will finish my holiday with a day break in the beach. (just hope its not too cold in Dec).

You'll love it, I promise. After a couple of days in Anaheim, drive over to Santa Monica and stay there for a couple of nights; walk on the beach, do some shopping, see the sights down at Venice Beach; even head over to the Beverly Hills shops to keep the wife happy.

Err...need to ask you something you discourage most...shopping. Well, if you go with wife, few malls and outlet is inevitable. Which malls and factory outlet is most worth a visit? I was told SF has a Fashion Outlet that we should not missed. How about Gilroy or any major mall?

AAAGGGGHHH SHOPPING MALLS GRRR RAGE GRRRR nah just kidding.

Look, I don't know anything about outlet malls, so I can't help you there. I can speak for the shopping in downtown San Francisco, though; the maze of shops around Union Square and Maiden Lane has some absolutely excellent clothing shops, and the Westfield is a perfectly good shopping mall (plus you can let the missus run wild in Nordstroms while you sit in the La Boulange on the fourth floor and relax. Very salubrious).

Also if she's not so into the major name brands, then you're in luck, because SF is absolutely full of really cool little boutiques selling stuff you won't find anywhere else. The Hayes Valley district (Hayes Street between Van Ness and Alamo Square), the Mission district (mostly the stretch of Valencia Street between 14th and 24th), and the Union Street strip - all of them have great, unique, trendy, interesting little places.

When you going las vegas. Damn hot during summer and I wont recommend unless you are really into casino or the other performances.

Edit: Din note that u going in Dec. Can consider driving SF - napa valley - Yosemite - Death valley - las Vegas

This will be a bit tricky. The Tioga Pass road over the top of Yosemite (from Yosemite east to Death Valley) closes in the winter, typically from November to June. Getting to Death Valley from Yosemite when that road's closed means a huge six-hour detour down through Bakersfield.
 

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Does anyone know where I apply ESTA online with payment via enets or paypal?

Because most of the sites uses credit cards for payment.
 

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OK. Basically I have drafted out my itinerary with the help of tripadvisor, google maps, HWZ, blogs etc. Here it goes.. total 16 days.

Day 1 - Arrive at LA at 11am. Rest and maybe go Desert Hills Outlet if got time. Overnight at LA.
Day 2 - Go to San Francisco via highway 1. Will be passing by Santa Monica, cambria then finally stay overnight at Monterey while going to 17 Mile. Overnight at Monterey
Day 3 - From Monterey to San Francisco where will go to outlet for shopping. Most prob Gilroy. Anyone can recommend a hotel which is around $100 to $150 as I will be staying for 2 nights (day 3 and 4)?
Day 4 - San Francisco to see remaining stuff like Golden Gate, Fisherman Wharf, Pier 39, Musée Mécanique etc
Day 5 - from SFO to Yosemite. Overnight at Yosemite
Day 6 - Back to SFO. At evening take plane to Salt Lake City. Overnight at Salt Lake
Day 7 - From Salt lake to Yellowstone passing by Salt Lake Temple, Idaho Falls and Grand Teton (just take pictures). Overnight at Yellowstone.
Day 8 - Yellowstone.
Day 9 - Yellowstone to Las Vegas. Overnight at Las Vegas. Have not decide on hotel.
Day 10 - Vegas to Antelope Canyon passing by Glen Canyon and Horseshoe bend. Antelope canyon taking their tour there. Overnight at Antelope Canyon
Day 11 - Go to Grand Canyon
Day 12 - Grand Canyon
Day 13 - Grand Canyon back to Vegas passing by LakeMead and Hoover Dam. Overnight at Vegas.
Day 14 - Vegas.
Day 15 - Vegas to San diego to see USS Midway Museum. Overnight at San Diego.
Day 16 - San Diego to LA then take plane back to SG.

Basically, I got a few questions though to ask the experts here.
1) Are the highway Toll charges expensive?
2) How about the petrol charges? Are the Gas Stations easy to find?
3) Domestic flight do they charge for check in baggage? I found Alaska Airlines, not sure if good or not and they charge USD$25 for each checked bag.
4) Anyone can recommend me the hotel esp for San Francisco as mentioned above and also hotels in those parks that I will be going.
5) I have not decide if I am going to buy a GPS here in SG or go to USA then buy. Any advice?
6) Have I missed out any other interesting places? I have left out Death Valley, Zion, Bryce due to lack of time.
7) Is my itinerary too rush?
8) Looks like I have to pay the one way fee from salt lake to vegas. they quoted me $USD300.
9) Lastly, I heard about the cheesecake factory.. is it in LA or SFO?


Hopefully this can help out someone who is doing something similar to me.

Thanks.
 

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So, dumb question first: what time of year are you travelling? That'll make a difference; there's some stuff you can't do in winter (Yellowstone, big chunks of Utah) and some stuff you can't do in summer (Death Valley, other chunks of Utah).

OK. Basically I have drafted out my itinerary with the help of tripadvisor, google maps, HWZ, blogs etc. Here it goes.. total 16 days.

Day 2 - Go to San Francisco via highway 1. Will be passing by Santa Monica, cambria then finally stay overnight at Monterey while going to 17 Mile. Overnight at Monterey

I'd stop at Big Sur instead of Monterey - the Glen Oaks motel is really nice. Highway 1's an exhausting and fairly slow drive, so you don't want to push yourself too hard.

Day 3 - From Monterey to San Francisco where will go to outlet for shopping. Most prob Gilroy. Anyone can recommend a hotel which is around $100 to $150 as I will be staying for 2 nights (day 3 and 4)?

See below - you probably want the Mosser.

Day 7 - From Salt lake to Yellowstone passing by Salt Lake Temple, Idaho Falls and Grand Teton (just take pictures). Overnight at Yellowstone.

If you're looking for a place to stay, check out Jackson as well - it's a really nice little town an hour down the road from the south entrance of Yellowstone. It's a great place to stay and shop, and it gives you a bit of a head start on day 9.

Day 9 - Yellowstone to Las Vegas. Overnight at Las Vegas. Have not decide on hotel.

Whoa whoa whoa whoa. That's a solid 14 hours' driving when you include stops. You sure about this? I'd stop for a night in SLC or Provo just to break the trip.

Day 10 - Vegas to Antelope Canyon passing by Glen Canyon and Horseshoe bend. Antelope canyon taking their tour there. Overnight at Antelope Canyon
Day 11 - Go to Grand Canyon
Day 12 - Grand Canyon
Day 13 - Grand Canyon back to Vegas passing by LakeMead and Hoover Dam. Overnight at Vegas.

Also this is a bit weird - you're kind of bouncing off Las Vegas and doubling back on yourself with the trip to Antelope Canyon. Here's an alternate suggestion:

Day 9: Jackson, WY to Page, AZ; overnight in Page (this is still 10 hours nonstop driving, but it's a bit more interesting than the dull blat down I-15 from SLC to Vegas);
Day 10: Antelope Canyon; Horseshoe Bend; Glen Canyon Dam. Overnight in Page (or head down the road to Cameron and stay there);
Day 11: Page to Grand Canyon Village (or Flagstaff or Williams, if you can't get accommodation in GCV). Stop off in Cameron on the way to GCV and pick up some Navajo and Hopi craftwork;
Day 12: Grand Canyon. Stay in same place;
Day 13: Quick jaunt back to Vegas.

Basically, I got a few questions though to ask the experts here.
1) Are the highway Toll charges expensive?

They're basically nonexistent. I think you'll be able to do that whole drive LA-SF and SLC-Jackson-Vegas without ever paying a toll.

2) How about the petrol charges? Are the Gas Stations easy to find?

America is the home of ridiculously cheap gas. I'm in California, the most expensive state in the nation for gas, and I only pay $4 a gallon for 87-octane - the equivalent of about $1.32 SGD per litre. Expect to pay $3.60/gal (SGD 1.19/ltr) in Vegas, and $3.50/gal (SGD 1.15/ltr) in SLC.

I know, right?!?!?

And gas stations are everywhere. You'll want to gas up when you're going off the interstates onto the country roads, but really you shouldn't have any trouble finding them.

3) Domestic flight do they charge for check in baggage? I found Alaska Airlines, not sure if good or not and they charge USD$25 for each checked bag.

Some do, some don't. Virgin, United, and American usually don't; the smaller carriers usually do.

4) Anyone can recommend me the hotel esp for San Francisco as mentioned above and also hotels in those parks that I will be going.

The parks tend to sell out up to a year in advance, so if you haven't booked yet you're probably gonna have a bad time. You can try here for Yellowstone hotels, and here for GCNP hotels, but don't be surprised if they're booked solid. And if those are booked out for your dates then you need to look at the following towns:

* Near Yellowstone: Look at Jackson, in Wyoming; West Yellowstone, in Idaho; or, as a last resort, Gardiner, in Montana. If you decide to stay in Jackson, I can enthusiastically recommend the Spring Creek Ranch, up in the hills above the town - it's plush and secluded and even runs its own wildlife safaris. If you are fancy, the Amangani next door is crazy nice but it's also a thousand bucks a night.

* Near Antelope Canyon: look in the town of Page, in Arizona. Amangani's sister resort, the confusingly named Amangiri, is just down the road from Page; it's also crazy nice but it's also a thousand bucks a night. Page is mostly little chain hotels, but they're all good.

* Near GCNP: check Cameron, Williams, or Flagstaff, in that order. Cameron is an hour's drive east of GCNP (you'll pass through it on the way to the park); Williams is an hour's drive south; Flagstaff is an hour-and-a-half.

* In Vegas: depends on your budget. I like the Mirage around the $100-$150/nt range; the Vdara in the $150-$200 range; and the Aria in the $200+ range. Avoid the cheapo places like the Flamingo, Luxor, Circus Circus, or Excalibur; and avoid the MGM Grand because it's huge and crowded as hell.

As for which sites to check: RoomKey.com is quite good for the chain hotels (Holiday Inn, Hampton, Four Points, etc etc), or Tripadvisor if you're in small towns. In Vegas, book directly through the hotel's website, they've usually got the best deals.

For San Francisco, first, thanks for giving a price range. Around that price I'd check out the Mosser, it's cheap and very nice and right near Union Square.

5) I have not decide if I am going to buy a GPS here in SG or go to USA then buy. Any advice?

Neither. Get the Navigon GPS North America app for your smartphone instead - it's a hell of a lot cheaper than either buying or renting a dedicated GPS, and you can reuse it if you come back in a couple of years.

6) Have I missed out any other interesting places? I have left out Death Valley, Zion, Bryce due to lack of time.

Nah, you've covered most of the good stuff except for the three you mentioned above. (though also, the Yellowstone-to-Page trip goes pretty much right past the front door of Bryce Canyon - it's worth a two-hour side trip to see it.) That said...

7) Is my itinerary too rush?

I think it might be. The SLC-Yellowstone-Page trip is a HUGE detour. I love Yellowstone to bits, and driving out the northeast entrance over the Beartooth Pass is the single most beautiful drive in America, BUT.

If you're not 100% sure you can handle that 14-hour drive day in the middle, I'd delete SLC and Yellowstone. Instead, I'd fly into Vegas, rent a nice car (like, a Corvette or AMG Mercedes or something), and do the loop up through Valley of Fire -> Zion -> Bryce -> Glen Canyon Dam -> Grand Canyon -> Vegas.

The other plus is that this lets you dodge the one-way fee SLC-LAS. $300 is about right.

9) Lastly, I heard about the cheesecake factory.. is it in LA or SFO?

It's a chain - they're everywhere (and honestly they're not that great). If you want to try it, the one at the top of the Macys building in San Francisco is perfectly good.
 
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Day 5 - from SFO to Yosemite. Overnight at Yosemite
Day 6 - Back to SFO. At evening take plane to Salt Lake City. Overnight at Salt Lake

Also you might want to have a think about this. If you're really committed to the Yellowstone-to-Page 14-hour-day drive (and if you are then good on you, it's ambitious but it's going to be awesome), let's make this a road trip to remember. You can save a hell of a lot of cash here by not doubling back - and instead, pushing straight on from Yosemite all the way over to SLC. It's only 8-10 hours, depending on whether you go over Tioga Pass or up through Truckee on I-80, so it's not as big as the Yellowstone-to-Arizona leg.

(This won't work so well later in the year, after October/November or thereabouts - but then again if it's late in the year you're going to have trouble around Yellowstone and the Grand Canyon as well.)

Plus you get to drive US-50, the famous Loneliest Road In America - if Invisible999's around, he's the US-50 expert; he'll be able to point you to the best things to do.
 
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One more thing on gps. I have only used it on 3 occasion. Other than that, I used gps on mobile. For android, u can find the place first and get the route. Afterthat can off data and it will still lead u to the place. Only problem is if you go to a few places without data. Will not be a problem if u have multiple phones to lock in the destination.

If u already have a gps, can just dl the us map and use it with your existing gps.
 
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My last night in LA before heading back to SG.. :(

I was at Monterey Bay yesterday..we went to watch humpback whales. It's quite foggy but we managed to catch the whales anyway. We stayed at The Monterey Hotel (mind you, it was built in 1904) so everything is dated inside. The stay was surprisingly pleasant.

Google Map is your best friend! I used it throughout our drive and it's super accurate!

Day 1: Hollywood walk of fame / Chinese Theatre / The Grove for Yummy cheesecake Factory (oh yes, the portions are HUGE - it's like x3 portions of SG)
Day 2: Disneyland
Accommodation: Doubletree By Hilton @ Anaheim

Day 3: Drive to Vegas. Popped by Desert Hill outlet. By the time we reached Vegas was 9/10pm so we just walked around.

Day 4: Vegas (Please try Gordon Ramsay Steak)

We skipped the Grand Canyon since i was quite sick of looking at the canyons while driving from LA to Vegas for 4.5hrs..hahaha and also it's 4 hrs drive there and another 4 hrs back so we decided to chill in Vegas instead (yes...gamble if that's what you were thinking).

We got ourselves tanned at the hotel pool... damn hot!

Accommodation: Mandarin Oriental (parked for free at Aria hotel)

Day 5: We flew to Vancouver for 3 days. Lovely lovely city!! Nice weather, lovely people. Places visited: Stanley park, Capilano Suspension Bridge.

Accomodation: 4 Seasons

Day 9: Flew from Vancouver to San Fran.

We stayed at the Orchard Garden Hotel just beside Chinatown. So basically we walked around the whole Chinatown towards Fisherman's Wharf/Pier 39. Ohh, you gotta eat breakfast / brunch at MAMA's! Awesome! We also drove to Napa valley and rode a hot air ballon! Stay away from the Tenderloin :o

Day 11: San Fran drove to Monterey Bay. Whale watching / Fisherman's Wharf / Outlet shopping at Gilroy. I find outlet shopping at Gilroy better than Desert Hill. There are tonnes of food places around Gilroy (In-and-Out etc)


Day 12: Drove along Big Sur / Pacific Coastline and back to LA (about 6-7hrs). I did it 1 shot with occasional 3-5mins get down the car for picture shoots.

Accommodation: Beverly Wilshire (Awesome hotel!)

There were no tolls on any roads i've driven except from LA > VEGAS if i remember correctly.

Website which i booked my car rentals: www.vroomvroomvroom.com

Good rates but please book early.

Tips on the road: Be courteous, American drivers are a good bunch of safe drivers. Keep to speed limit. Use the Cruise Control if your car has. It's super useful. Most of the time i just set cruise control at 65-75mph so you can relax your right feet.

In Beverly hills, just sit beside the road and admire all the super cars (Mercs SLS, Ferrari, Bentley, RR, Lambo) rumble..alot of them driven by middle-eastern men i noticed.


Really love the US!
 
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Since I will not be driving in SF, what is my best option upon arrival in the airport? It appears that my hotel do not provide transfer between airport/hotel. :s11:
 

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I've dropped the idea of driving SF-LV. Have book a flt instead. Also not doing Yosemite as some area will be closed in the winter.
We don't drink so Napa also out.

When you going las vegas. Damn hot during summer and I wont recommend unless you are really into casino or the other performances.

Edit: Din note that u going in Dec. Can consider driving SF - napa valley - Yosemite - Death valley - las Vegas
 

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Since I will not be driving in SF, what is my best option upon arrival in the airport? It appears that my hotel do not provide transfer between airport/hotel. :s11:

Which hotel are you at?

Edit: Actually, no need to answer that. If you're staying downtown, it's more than likely that your hotel's going to be within walking distance of a BART station; grab BART at the international terminal of the airport and ride it pretty much all the way to your hotel.

If you're in Fisherman's Wharf, it's a bit trickier; grab a taxi.
 
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