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Seems that it is restricted to either US Citizens and/or people residing in US.

Are there ways for non-US citizens/residence to purchase them?
 

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Seems that it is restricted to either US Citizens and/or people residing in US.
No, there's no such limitation. The popular U.S. mutual fund stewards such as Vanguard don't offer direct accounts to random foreigners, but the mutual funds themselves are accessible through non-direct channels.

Are there ways for non-US citizens/residence to purchase them?
Practically every U.S. broker can handle them, and some non-U.S. brokers too. There may be a commission involved. There are also possible tax considerations, of course.
 

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No, there's no such limitation. The popular U.S. mutual fund stewards such as Vanguard don't offer direct accounts to random foreigners, but the mutual funds themselves are accessible through non-direct channels.


Practically every U.S. broker can handle them, and some non-U.S. brokers too. There may be a commission involved. There are also possible tax considerations, of course.

Interactive Brokers don't.

Any others?
 

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Interactive Brokers don't.

Any others?

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IB has mutual funds. Are you referring to a specific fund that IB doesn't have?

Screenshot above shows Vanguard's Lifestrategy fund range - both US and UK versions are available.
 

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IB has mutual funds. Are you referring to a specific fund that IB doesn't have?

Screenshot above shows Vanguard's Lifestrategy fund range - both US and UK versions are available.

Click buy.

IB says cannot buy.
 

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Yes. Only can do for Europe Funds.

I tried buying - IB's response "Restriction; Residency Status"

Thats good to know - meaning Vanguard funds (the ireland domiciled versions) are available to buy on IB? As posted, they are listed on IB, but whether you are allowed to buy, doesn't seem so easy to find out...
 

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It's possible Interactive Brokers is doing you a favor. ;)

Is IB's limitation specific to Vanguard U.S. mutual funds? Have you tried any of the zero commission mutual funds that IB lists? (Not that they're great, but if you want to run an experiment....)
 

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It's possible Interactive Brokers is doing you a favor. ;)

Is IB's limitation specific to Vanguard U.S. mutual funds? Have you tried any of the zero commission mutual funds that IB lists? (Not that they're great, but if you want to run an experiment....)

IB website specifically excludes non-US citizens/residents.
 

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I've done a little more research on this.

The general consensus is that there's nothing in U.S. law prohibiting a non-U.S. person from investing in a U.S. mutual fund. And many foreigners have successfully done it, notwithstanding the tax consequences. However, in practice, many brokers' compliance departments are frequently reluctant to facilitate these particular investments because they're concerned about running afoul of possibly foreign (non-U.S.) laws. Thus it's hit or miss whether you can find a broker that'll help out.

There are still some scattered reports that even U.S. citizens living outside the United States face some difficulties. Same thing: it's hit or miss.
 

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I've done a little more research on this.

The general consensus is that there's nothing in U.S. law prohibiting a non-U.S. person from investing in a U.S. mutual fund. And many foreigners have successfully done it, notwithstanding the tax consequences. However, in practice, many brokers' compliance departments are frequently reluctant to facilitate these particular investments because they're concerned about running afoul of possibly foreign (non-U.S.) laws. Thus it's hit or miss whether you can find a broker that'll help out.

There are still some scattered reports that even U.S. citizens living outside the United States face some difficulties. Same thing: it's hit or miss.

Fidelity doesn't even allow non-US citizen to open an account with them.
 

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Most U.S. mutual funds include terms that restrict their sale to U.S. residents only. This has always been the case, but hasn’t always been enforced. I believe that not abiding by those terms could potentially get the broker into U.S. legal trouble.

Interestingly, most U.S. ETFs have no such restrictive terms, but as you said, U.S. brokers often have concerns about running afoul of the local laws in your country of residence if you are not U.S. based.

Keeping a U.S. address on your U.S. brokerage account, and not informing your broker about your non-U.S. country of residence is generally the best way to avoid these issues, provided you are U.S. person.

I've done a little more research on this.

The general consensus is that there's nothing in U.S. law prohibiting a non-U.S. person from investing in a U.S. mutual fund. And many foreigners have successfully done it, notwithstanding the tax consequences. However, in practice, many brokers' compliance departments are frequently reluctant to facilitate these particular investments because they're concerned about running afoul of possibly foreign (non-U.S.) laws. Thus it's hit or miss whether you can find a broker that'll help out.

There are still some scattered reports that even U.S. citizens living outside the United States face some difficulties. Same thing: it's hit or miss.
 
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Most U.S. mutual funds include terms that restrict their sale to U.S. residents only. This has always been the case, but hasn’t always been enforced. I believe that not abiding by those terms could potentially get the broker into U.S. legal trouble.
Only contractual, and even that's speculative.
 
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