The real ultra are Chinese phones like 15 Ultra. X200 Ultra and Find 8 Ultra. It just a totally different class as compare to S25 Ultra in terms of camera setup.
Agreed, I think most Chinese ultras are on par just depends what exactly you are looking for because each has something unique that they are a cut above the rest.
lol

if you consider me as a Apple fanboy you know how much worse it gets in terms of hardware to price ratio
My friend got the red for me, he's not getting any. Gonna treat him to a good meal.
$80 worth man
The shopee seller warranty is shop warranty, as good as no warranty if the seller close account.
Might as well buy from taobao directly. only add taobao 3% service fee for oversea credit card, official forwarder shipping fee and singapore 9% gst.
Checked taobao vivo official store blocked oversea address from buying the x200ultra but has a third party seller selling at 200-300 rmb higher that can use singapore address. 16/512 option is 1502sgd all in.
problem with Taobao you need to be buying things frequently to know the workings, and I don’t have much pals or coworkers who are savvy on that ( ironic I know for I am a professional in tech world, but to justify my defence , the app is abysmal to navigate

curious, why the vivo over the oppo?
There's pros and cons in this. If you bought a DOA unit, even if it allows full refund, you will lose out on the 9% GST (correct me if I'm wrong, unless they changed the policy as that was a huge concern to me) and currency conversion (if yuan drops significantly from the time you purchase vs the time of refund credited), especially if your item value is high. I would rather buy from a reputable shopee seller during voucher sales as I can initiate full refund without any amount lost if the item is dead on arrival. Even if the shop closes down within their promised one year warranty after 14 days, I can still ask contacts from china/or even ship myself to RMA it with vivo china service centre.
As my wife is a Oppo user for years , the interface is abit slow to use but the x8 ultra definitely placed it on the top of the android camera selection
And for the Shopee , it’s really give and take since its import only , and everyone is taking a risk for importing ( the stocks to ship should be high enough to cover the shipping but not so much it eats into inventory space )
besides at most I can just post the conversation here should there be issues

honestly I’m glad I opted for the red as well
The red ring coordinated around the camera stove is eye catching
Btw anyone knows any shop that sells lens glasses protector , MagSafe case like and screen protector for x200 ultra ?
actually will the x200 pro case fit ? lol