WAN Aggregation on TP-Link C4000

JeffreyMa

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Currently using SingTel fibre and would like to get another back up fibre line from my republic for failover cum performance improvement.

Would like to ask the experts here if the setup i am thinking is workable or my concept is totally wrong.


Below are the questions I have in mind:



  • Can i use my current router [TP-Link C4000], turn on WAN Aggregation and connect myrepublic ONT to LAN1?

  • SingTel uses VLAN tagging, will myrepublic work if my router has that turned on?

  • How will IPv6 work? SingTel uses 6to4 tunnel. myrepublic?

Any advice is greatly appreciated. Thank you so much in advance!
 

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Currently using SingTel fibre and would like to get another back up fibre line from my republic for failover cum performance improvement.

Would like to ask the experts here if the setup i am thinking is workable or my concept is totally wrong.


Below are the questions I have in mind:



  • Can i use my current router [TP-Link C4000], turn on WAN Aggregation and connect myrepublic ONT to LAN1?

  • SingTel uses VLAN tagging, will myrepublic work if my router has that turned on?

  • How will IPv6 work? SingTel uses 6to4 tunnel. myrepublic?

Any advice is greatly appreciated. Thank you so much in advance!

WAN aggregation would not work as it would require the modem from the IPS to support LACP-IEEE 802.3ad which is a setting u need to enable in the IPS modem. Singtel confirm cannot as i cant find that setting in their huawei ONR.

I do not know next time if different ISP can combine different 1gpbs line into a single WAN aggregation mode as they have their own wan IP address.

Technically need all the Singapore ISP to start issue a modem that support LACP-IEEE 802.3ad to use WAN Aggregation.
 

xiaofan

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Currently using SingTel fibre and would like to get another back up fibre line from my republic for failover cum performance improvement.

Would like to ask the experts here if the setup i am thinking is workable or my concept is totally wrong.

Below are the questions I have in mind:


  • Can i use my current router [TP-Link C4000], turn on WAN Aggregation and connect myrepublic ONT to LAN1?

  • SingTel uses VLAN tagging, will myrepublic work if my router has that turned on?

  • How will IPv6 work? SingTel uses 6to4 tunnel. myrepublic?

Any advice is greatly appreciated. Thank you so much in advance!

WAN Aggregation -- does not work for Singapore ISPs, due to lack of support of 820.3ad LACP for the ONT/ONR from local ISPs.

Dual WAN load balancing or Failover may work. Unfortunately I do not see Dual WAN features mentioned in TP-Link Archer C4000. You may want to check with TP-Link.

IPv6: No support from MyRepublic.
https://support.myrepublic.com.sg/h...e-difference-between-IPv4-and-IPv6-addresses-

So you have working 6rd IPv6 with Singtel, right? I have it working myself and I am using ONT. ONR users seem to have problems.

Are you using ONT or ONR? If ONR, VLAN should not be a real issue.

If it is confirmed that C4000 can not be used, you can get a new router, like RT-AX86U, which supports Dual WAN Load Balancing and Fail Over. It has 2.5Gbe port which works as a LAN port as well. Bro Kendo21 has the RT-AX86U working nicely with Dual WAN load balancing with SingTel 1+1 Gbps Gamer Plan.

Ref: Asus dual wan
https://www.asus.com/sg/support/FAQ/1011719/

But if you are ONT user, I am not so sure if there are some complications with Dual WAN due to VLAN. Hopefully some experts can jump in to clarify.
 
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WAN Aggregation -- does not work for Singapore ISPs, due to lack of support of 820.3ad LACP for the ONT/ONR from local ISPs.

Dual WAN load balancing or Failover may work. Unfortunately I do not see Dual WAN features mentioned in TP-Link Archer C4000. You may want to check with TP-Link.

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If it is confirmed that C4000 can not be used, you can get a new router, like RT-AX86U, which supports Dual WAN Load Balancing and Fail Over. It has 2.5Gbe port which works as a LAN port as well. Bro Kendo21 has the RT-AX86U working nicely with Dual WAN load balancing with SingTel 1+1 Gbps Gamer Plan.

Ref: Asus dual wan
https://www.asus.com/sg/support/FAQ/1011719/

But if you are ONT user, I am not so sure if there are some complications with Dual WAN due to VLAN. Hopefully some experts can jump in to clarify.

VLAN may not be an issue. From the AX88U thread. FW issues with AX88U may have already been resolved as the post was in April 2019.

https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/...linic-4/[review]-asus-rt-ax88u-6012723-3.html

As above... i think the firmware needs further improvement.

I have 2 internet lines (Viewqwest on port 1, SIngtel on wan port, mio tv on port 4).

When i run dual wan config (fail over mode), (primary- Viewqwest, sleeping-Singtel), end up the primary internet status become unplugged and the sleeping internet status cannot get IP address.

MY RT-AC88U was working fine under this config.

Dual wan with both lines active, seems fine.
But Ai Protection will only work in fail over mode dual wan
 

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Currently using SingTel fibre and would like to get another back up fibre line from my republic for failover cum performance improvement.

Would like to ask the experts here if the setup i am thinking is workable or my concept is totally wrong.


Below are the questions I have in mind:



  • Can i use my current router [TP-Link C4000], turn on WAN Aggregation and connect myrepublic ONT to LAN1?

  • SingTel uses VLAN tagging, will myrepublic work if my router has that turned on?

  • How will IPv6 work? SingTel uses 6to4 tunnel. myrepublic?

Any advice is greatly appreciated. Thank you so much in advance!

You can't do true aggregation as the ISPs don't support it especially consumer-oriented providers, what you can do is load balancing whereby your outbound connections will be load balanced across the two connections, and any connection which is down will no longer be used until it recovers.

Business oriented providers may provide more options, such as aggregation (multiple lines to the same isp) or BGP peered transit (multiple ISPs), usually at significantly higher cost.

In theory using load balancing you can achieve higher total throughput than the single connection, if you are using protocols which open multiple TCP connections (eg bittorrent etc) and those connections get balanced over the two different lines. If you have multiple client machines, their connections will also get balanced across the lines etc. A single transfer will never be faster than a single line, but the combination of multiple transfers can be.

You can also do multipath tcp, but there are limited endpoints which will support that.

MyRepublic do not seem to offer IPv6 at all, and Singtel only provide it via a tunnel so you'll be limited there. On the other hand, assuming IPv6 is properly configured and you have 2 separate routers with live IPv6 connections, the router advertisement feature of IPv6 should handle load balancing and failover automatically - ie your system will see 2 default gateways with the same priority, and spread traffic across them without you having to funnel your traffic through a single router doing the same. In the event that one of the routers stops announcing, your device will stop using it.

The VLAN tagging should not make any difference, assuming your router has 2 WAN ports. You'd just have tagging enabled on one port and disabled on the other.

Of course if you're pushing the traffic through a single router which performs the load balancing, your LAN interface would need to be at least as fast as the combined 2 WAN interfaces to get the most advantage. Practically if you're using 1gbps connections you'll need 2.5gbps or 10gbps LAN. I've used this kind of setup before, but the multiple WAN connections were ADSL based so the 1gbps LAN interface was not a bottleneck at all.

If you want true aggregation, theoretically you'd need to use something like multipath tcp to tunnel your connection to a sufficiently fast system located in a nearby datacentre, which would then break out the tunnel. It's possible, and you could conceivably achieve single transfer speeds at the combined capacity of both lines, but would require somewhere to terminate the tunnel and appropriate equipment at both ends.
 

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Currently using SingTel fibre and would like to get another back up fibre line from my republic for failover cum performance improvement.

Would like to ask the experts here if the setup i am thinking is workable or my concept is totally wrong.


Below are the questions I have in mind:



  • Can i use my current router [TP-Link C4000], turn on WAN Aggregation and connect myrepublic ONT to LAN1?

  • SingTel uses VLAN tagging, will myrepublic work if my router has that turned on?

  • How will IPv6 work? SingTel uses 6to4 tunnel. myrepublic?

Any advice is greatly appreciated. Thank you so much in advance!


If you use the routers provided by the respective ISP and run them as 192.168.0.1 and 192.168.1.1 as their gateway, disable DHCP. Connect them directly to your office router with DHCP enabled, and connect the router to switch with VLAN setup. The internet packets should broadcast from both sides, even if one side goes down, the other is running.

I am oversimplyfying the process obviously. But there are numerous products for businesses with functions and connections to more than one internet connection.



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