water problem in Johor !

[nasfieldjohn]

Jaybee need a desalination plant
Tell richman jb king to build one
His idea to allow so mani datac

 

[pattanispirit]

How come Anwar never built enough desalination plants

Maybe should ask the current Sultan who is from Johor?

Jaybee need a desalination plant
Tell richman jb king to build one
His idea to allow so mani datac

Msia got plenty of natural source of water, why need desalination plants ?

only countries in Middle East & Sg need desalination plants.

go near Ipoh mountaineous area, they've rain almost every day.

the ppl there ask which day is sunny day, instead of which day rain.

there is no shortage of water in Msia, only lack of infrastructure to bring water to the right place.

 

[zueinder]

More shocked they managed to even keep electricity demand at all. I guess is improvement for handling at least 1 thing

 

[Rathcycle]

actually can some smart guy enlighten, why cannot use river/sea water for cooling ah?
Use fresh water then after cooling must dispose? why cannot close loop cooling?

 

[lalalalalala]

lol

we are already self sufficient bah, just that if we can buy raw water onthe cheap, why not?

it's Johor who has been begging us to supply more treated water to them for last few years esp during the
drier months.

we're not self sufficient. we rely on johor still. our catchment areas are shrinking because of growing population and govt selling land to developers. newater can only supply so much, that's why they're raising water prices and tax every year. also note that sg also has datacenters and semiconductor fabs. these use a fk ton of water in our already water strained situation.

 

[lalalalalala]

actually can some smart guy enlighten, why cannot use river/sea water for cooling ah?
Use fresh water then after cooling must dispose? why cannot close loop cooling?

can, but your cooling equipment degrade faster because of the salt. also most of the water is recycled, but as with any system, there are losses. the problem now is you need the base water input to the dc first for the cooling system to run. and with so many dc projects popping up there is a spike in water demand, hence the queue

 

[Rathcycle]

can, but your cooling equipment degrade faster because of the salt. also most of the water is recycled, but as with any system, there are losses. the problem now is you need the base water input to the dc first for the cooling system to run. and with so many dc projects popping up there is a spike in water demand, hence the queue

thank you 大神

But isnt the base water put in already then close the loop can liao? And why cannot have equipments that dont corrode that easily, or build them near water plants or at the top of moutains where its cooler? SG how, because we probably will have similar issues hor, if DC are our future?

 

[VEF888]

we're not self sufficient. we rely on johor still. our catchment areas are shrinking because of growing population and govt selling land to developers. newater can only supply so much, that's why they're raising water prices and tax every year. also note that sg also has datacenters and semiconductor fabs. these use a fk ton of water in our already water strained situation.

up to you to believe. but we sure are not renewing the after 2060, if prices increase is too much.

 

[buttbERry]

siao liao lor like that

 

[Chalkycliffs]

How come Anwar never built enough desalination plants

Will he still be PM when (if) a plant opens and starts operations?

 

[lalalalalala]

How come Anwar never built enough desalination plants

they actually don't need to supply us. they're already more than self sufficient. it's more of to maintain the relationship between our countries.

 

[gn2807]

Soon their power outage going to occur regularly

 

[testerjp]

That's exactly why we signed the SEZ JB plan which many dissed and said it was a bad idea.

Data centres don't create much jobs, they use crazy amount of electricity and water.
They are modern day pig sty. Malaysia was celebrating when they won those contracts but they are not smart enough to suspect why people let them take the job.

The SEZ's main initiative was to sell this idea of SG data centres but hosted in JB.
But after signing off, Joe Biden signed executive order to ban the hosting of proprietary AI overseas and chips restrictions.

Right now, USA is also bottleneck by power constrain and it's by a huge margin. The only solution is to port out these data centres to elsewhere. Look like Malaysia is out too, if they take it, their energy prices will likely increase sharply.

At the point before SEZ, Malaysia was having electricity surplus, not sure if it's still the same now.

Imagine we did not sign these SEZ and insist on hosting huge amount of data centres here in SG, we would have critical shortage. If Malaysia is hosting using China chips through some arrangement, even worse. China chips have very poor yield.

 

[waiken]

actually can some smart guy enlighten, why cannot use river/sea water for cooling ah?
Use fresh water then after cooling must dispose? why cannot close loop cooling?

need money to 'improve' existing facilities to support above

 

[virtualape]

yeap, up to you to believe or not, but we are ready.

we were ready about a decade ago already. but govt smart..still put in place water tax etc.

only thing is food...

 

[Nuclear Boy]

actually can some smart guy enlighten, why cannot use river/sea water for cooling ah?
Use fresh water then after cooling must dispose? why cannot close loop cooling?

Sedimentation and corrosion.

 

[Abernatine]

we're not self sufficient. we rely on johor still. our catchment areas are shrinking because of growing population and govt selling land to developers. newater can only supply so much, that's why they're raising water prices and tax every year. also note that sg also has datacenters and semiconductor fabs. these use a fk ton of water in our already water strained situation.

read up the URA masterplan u blur sotong, catchment areas and land for commercial use are two distinct things

 

[Nuclear Boy]

thank you 大神

But isnt the base water put in already then close the loop can liao? And why cannot have equipments that dont corrode that easily, or build them near water plants or at the top of moutains where its cooler? SG how, because we probably will have similar issues hor, if DC are our future?

- Materials that won't corrode easily, means more $$$ spent
- Infrastructure locations are finite and have to be feasible to construct, maintain and supply - cost $$$

It's all down to $$$

 

[lalalalalala]

Data center in Johor is a mistake. Shd be on Genting or Cameron. Cold weather, reduce water, cooling & energy need.

good for cooling, bad for infra. datacenter need alot of water and electricity as well as fast internet. running the cables up a mountain is non trivial, maintenance is also a big headache. no matter how cool genting is, it won't be enough for a datacenter

 

[tian_yibang]

As usual , Boleh ish always notch Boleh as per they shout and proud

They always think short term but notch nong term , infra notch yet built or sufficient to sarpork but want accept many projects/investments "to look good" on their leepork to their ppl