When should you consider private education

[Liuxingyu]

First and foremost i am working in one of the private schools, but i won't say which one on this post, so the thread will stay general as a guide to students whom wish to study, and content stay as my personal opinion

This is about when should you consider PEI from the local universities
Nowadays we have Kaplan, MDIS, PSB, EASB, SIM, and many others PEI
So which one? Actually i won;t see which PEI, but what university they work with have the course i want. I will actually read the history and modules of their courses. These PEI are just facilities that work with foreign universities, so look at their partners and not the names of PEI. It's the actual university history, and modules, and ranking you wish to look at. The name of the PEI add no zeros to your paycheck

Actually many PEI has different names for their diploma like higher diploma or advance diploma. but these are just names. The contents are still the same.
You cannot run away from the 120 credits required to complete a recognized degree, so don't think 16 months to complete a degree,is something that comes without a strong demand of your time and commitment; where you need to do more modules per week than your peers for 2 years. Where you hope you have 72 hours a day.

For PEI, the general course breakdown is actually Diploma = degree year 1 modules, advance diploma = year 2 modules, then top up is the final year modules

or some are diploma 1 year, then 2 years degree

In short they are all the same, if you remove the names

Some with honors require you to do one more year in Australia with extra costs, while some are infused into the final year for UK uni. Some have requirement to fly in for 21 days. If you are working i hope you have more than 21 days of leaves with extra money needed for travel and accommodation. So do check carefully on their net fees before you join any school

Pathways
N Levels -> LCCI Diploma -> Diploma -> Advance diploma -> Degree final year
O Levels -> Foundation -> Diploma -> Advance diploma -> Degree final year
A Levels -> Diploma -> Advance diploma -> Degree final year

When should you look for a PEI
When you want to study a course you have keen interest but your GPA does not allow you to do what you want

What are things to check before i sign with any PEI
Firstly on the articulation,if their diploma is the same level as UK
Because for fully articulated course your diploma can enter year 2 degree in UK directly with their partner universities or more, to save some money what i recommend is to do two years in Singapore, then final year of your degree in UK for the oversea exposure.

As many senior members mentioned, if you hold top scores in your A levels, my advise is NUS or to the ivory league like MIT or Harvard if you can afford. Don't come my office and waste my time.

 

[Kyoji83]

Never assume Pathways are all the same for PEIs as what Liuxingyu claim. Some Diploma only allow you to study Year 1 Degree while Advance diploma only allow you to study Year 2 Degree. In the past for PSB, if you do not have very good grade for your Diploma, it is a must to get Advance diploma before you can start your Year 1 Degree. So do your research and plan carefully.

I would also like to add on PEIs earn from selling their Diploma/ Advance diploma/Whatever it call that bridge between your current qualification to their Degree programmes.

If you have Nitec /Higher Nitec, you can actually apply directly to some universities in Australia, UK & etc for on campus studies and some even allow you to get exemption for some modules or even up to 1st year of degree.

Once you get a place for on campus studies (without studying there), transfer back to PEIs. This way you can don't needs to spend time and money for useless bridging Diploma courses. Of course, it is still up PEI if they want to accept you or not.

Apart from PEIs Diploma, there are a lot of other qualifications like BTEC, LCCI, UOL Diploma & etc to enter degree courses or even start from their Year 2 or 3. Please take notice that each framework have different level and the word 'Diploma' does not mean anything. For example, BTEC Level 2 Diploma is equivalent to 4 x GCSEs (4 pass subjects in GCE O) while BTEC Level 4 Higher National Certificate is equivalent to Degree 1st Year in England, Wales and Northern Ireland.

First and foremost i am working in one of the private schools, but i won't say which one on this post, so the thread will stay general as a guide to students whom wish to study, and content stay as my personal opinion

This is about when should you consider PEI from the local universities
Nowadays we have Kaplan, MDIS, PSB, EASB, SIM, and many others PEI
So which one? Actually i won;t see which PEI, but what university they work with have the course i want. I will actually read the history and modules of their courses. These PEI are just facilities that work with foreign universities, so look at their partners and not the names of PEI. It's the actual university history, and modules, and ranking you wish to look at. The name of the PEI add no zeros to your paycheck

Actually many PEI has different names for their diploma like higher diploma or advance diploma. but these are just names. The contents are still the same.
You cannot run away from the 120 credits required to complete a recognized degree, so don't think 16 months to complete a degree,is something that comes without a strong demand of your time and commitment; where you need to do more modules per week than your peers for 2 years. Where you hope you have 72 hours a day.

For PEI, the general course breakdown is actually Diploma = degree year 1 modules, advance diploma = year 2 modules, then top up is the final year modules

or some are diploma 1 year, then 2 years degree

In short they are all the same, if you remove the names

Some with honors require you to do one more year in Australia with extra costs, while some are infused into the final year for UK uni. Some have requirement to fly in for 21 days. If you are working i hope you have more than 21 days of leaves with extra money needed for travel and accommodation. So do check carefully on their net fees before you join any school

Pathways
N Levels -> LCCI Diploma -> Diploma -> Advance diploma -> Degree final year
O Levels -> Foundation -> Diploma -> Advance diploma -> Degree final year
A Levels -> Diploma -> Advance diploma -> Degree final year

When should you look for a PEI
When you want to study a course you have keen interest but your GPA does not allow you to do what you want

What are things to check before i sign with any PEI
Firstly on the articulation,if their diploma is the same level as UK
Because for fully articulated course your diploma can enter year 2 degree in UK directly with their partner universities or more, to save some money what i recommend is to do two years in Singapore, then final year of your degree in UK for the oversea exposure.

As many senior members mentioned, if you hold top scores in your A levels, my advise is NUS or to the ivory league like MIT or Harvard if you can afford. Don't come my office and waste my time.

 

[Jimmy Liddel]

Hi,

Able to share why the Australian Degrees are more expensive than the UK degrees when they are similar (direct year 2 entry) but UK has honours.

First and foremost i am working in one of the private schools, but i won't say which one on this post, so the thread will stay general as a guide to students whom wish to study, and content stay as my personal opinion

This is about when should you consider PEI from the local universities
Nowadays we have Kaplan, MDIS, PSB, EASB, SIM, and many others PEI
So which one? Actually i won;t see which PEI, but what university they work with have the course i want. I will actually read the history and modules of their courses. These PEI are just facilities that work with foreign universities, so look at their partners and not the names of PEI. It's the actual university history, and modules, and ranking you wish to look at. The name of the PEI add no zeros to your paycheck

Actually many PEI has different names for their diploma like higher diploma or advance diploma. but these are just names. The contents are still the same.
You cannot run away from the 120 credits required to complete a recognized degree, so don't think 16 months to complete a degree,is something that comes without a strong demand of your time and commitment; where you need to do more modules per week than your peers for 2 years. Where you hope you have 72 hours a day.

For PEI, the general course breakdown is actually Diploma = degree year 1 modules, advance diploma = year 2 modules, then top up is the final year modules

or some are diploma 1 year, then 2 years degree

In short they are all the same, if you remove the names

Some with honors require you to do one more year in Australia with extra costs, while some are infused into the final year for UK uni. Some have requirement to fly in for 21 days. If you are working i hope you have more than 21 days of leaves with extra money needed for travel and accommodation. So do check carefully on their net fees before you join any school

Pathways
N Levels -> LCCI Diploma -> Diploma -> Advance diploma -> Degree final year
O Levels -> Foundation -> Diploma -> Advance diploma -> Degree final year
A Levels -> Diploma -> Advance diploma -> Degree final year

When should you look for a PEI
When you want to study a course you have keen interest but your GPA does not allow you to do what you want

What are things to check before i sign with any PEI
Firstly on the articulation,if their diploma is the same level as UK
Because for fully articulated course your diploma can enter year 2 degree in UK directly with their partner universities or more, to save some money what i recommend is to do two years in Singapore, then final year of your degree in UK for the oversea exposure.

As many senior members mentioned, if you hold top scores in your A levels, my advise is NUS or to the ivory league like MIT or Harvard if you can afford. Don't come my office and waste my time.

 

[rfirmino9i]

You talking about the DL degrees or the ones in the Australian campus. As far as ik UniMelb, UQ, QUT, UoN And rest of Go8 all offer honours. (qut And UoN not Go8 but QUT is very respected in AUS)

Hi,

Able to share why the Australian Degrees are more expensive than the UK degrees when they are similar (direct year 2 entry) but UK has honours.

 

[Jimmy Liddel]

DL degrees provided by local providers.

Murdoch, RMIT, Newcastle etc.

You talking about the DL degrees or the ones in the Australian campus. As far as ik UniMelb, UQ, QUT, UoN And rest of Go8 all offer honours. (qut And UoN not Go8 but QUT is very respected in AUS)

 

[rfirmino9i]

I’d suggest do UoN or RMIT if you really must do it here. If got money I suggest you go to their campus in Australia as I believe your grades might be good enough to get in... Only need CCD at a level for RMIT.

DL degrees provided by local providers.

Murdoch, RMIT, Newcastle etc.

 

[Liuxingyu]

Kyoji maybe you missed out on the credit of 120 i mentioned?

But for ITE graduates PEI is the best path for most, because if you go local, most likely you wont get any oversea exposure. Which is important i feel.

All schools need to complete 120-130 for a student to attain a degree from their foreign university partner. That's a fact. No matter how you design your course, you cannot run away from the credit system. That's why i said don't look at the names if it's higher or lower diploma. For example If you completed a 2 modules course called higher diploma, it's worse than not completing a "lower" diploma from the normal PEIs. As doing 2 out of 8 modules for your year 1 means you do not have enough credits to say you done year 1.

Anyway the main difference is the modules you do

For example you do diploma in business in PEI A, then you want to do year 2 degree or whatever advance or higher diploma in PEI B. PEI B asked you to do bridging before year 2, because your year 1 or diploma modules cannot fit into their exemption list when they try to map you into year 2, by modules you done in another PEI

The basis of exemption is to exempt you from repeating what you already done. So some students wont' get into year 2 because there are very little modules similarity.

Yes, Peis and every business even local universities earn from every student they enroll. Of course, else who pay for the rental, lecturers and the wages? You make profit a dirty word and your business dies. All Business in Singapore is all about survival. We have a noble aim of education, but still we have to pay rental, taxes and also wages to our teachers.

Kyoji, does your boss pay you salary? Or do you pay your employees their rightful salary? What's wrong with that?

Why i suggest doing 1 to 2 years in Singapore first before moving to uk for year 3, because if you are working in Singapore, it's good to have 65% of your network from school being local and 35% foreign. Unless you are in the ivory league, else the composition as above should be okay.

Never assume Pathways are all the same for PEIs as what Liuxingyu claim. Some Diploma only allow you to study Year 1 Degree while Advance diploma only allow you to study Year 2 Degree. In the past for PSB, if you do not have very good grade for your Diploma, it is a must to get Advance diploma before you can start your Year 1 Degree. So do your research and plan carefully.

I would also like to add on PEIs earn from selling their Diploma/ Advance diploma/Whatever it call that bridge between your current qualification to their Degree programmes.

If you have Nitec /Higher Nitec, you can actually apply directly to some universities in Australia, UK & etc for on campus studies and some even allow you to get exemption for some modules or even up to 1st year of degree.

Once you get a place for on campus studies (without studying there), transfer back to PEIs. This way you can don't needs to spend time and money for useless bridging Diploma courses. Of course, it is still up PEI if they want to accept you or not.

Apart from PEIs Diploma, there are a lot of other qualifications like BTEC, LCCI, UOL Diploma & etc to enter degree courses or even start from their Year 2 or 3. Please take notice that each framework have different level and the word 'Diploma' does not mean anything. For example, BTEC Level 2 Diploma is equivalent to 4 x GCSEs (4 pass subjects in GCE O) while BTEC Level 4 Higher National Certificate is equivalent to Degree 1st Year in England, Wales and Northern Ireland.

 

[Jimmy Liddel]

Actually, My concern is why is Aus degree more expensive compared to UK degrees offered by PEI.

Moreover the UK degrees have honours. Wondering if there is something that I missed out on when doing comparisons.

I’d suggest do UoN or RMIT if you really must do it here. If got money I suggest you go to their campus in Australia as I believe your grades might be good enough to get in... Only need CCD at a level for RMIT.

 

[Kyoji83]

Kyoji maybe you missed out on the credit of 120 i mentioned?

No.

But for ITE graduates PEI is the best path for most, because if you go local, most likely you wont get any oversea exposure. Which is important i feel.

Do not under what do you mean by 'oversea exposure' since most will be studying in Singapore unless they have the time and money to go overseas to study.

All schools need to complete 120-130 for a student to attain a degree from their foreign university partner. That's a fact. No matter how you design your course, you cannot run away from the credit system. That's why i said don't look at the names if it's higher or lower diploma. For example If you completed a 2 modules course called higher diploma, it's worse than not completing a "lower" diploma from the normal PEIs. As doing 2 out of 8 modules for your year 1 means you do not have enough credits to say you done year 1.

I know what you are trying to say. Firstly, not all university required 120-130 credits for each stage/year of degree programme and let use 100 for easy explanation. It is between PEI and OU to deem how much credit did PEI Diploma worth for their degree credits. For example, each module worth 20 credits for PEI A Diploma (mean you only needs to take 5 modules) while each module worth 10 credits for PEI B Diploma (mean you needs to take 10 modules). Between 5 and 10 modules, you can know the workload is different.

Anyway the main difference is the modules you do

For example you do diploma in business in PEI A, then you want to do year 2 degree or whatever advance or higher diploma in PEI B. PEI B asked you to do bridging before year 2, because your year 1 or diploma modules cannot fit into their exemption list when they try to map you into year 2, by modules you done in another PEI

The basis of exemption is to exempt you from repeating what you already done. So some students wont' get into year 2 because there are very little modules similarity.

Like I say, it is important to determine which PEI Diploma one wish to go and credits does not mean anything. PEI A Diploma worth 100 credits but only 5 modules. PEI A do not have any relationship with OU B. So PEI B only see 5 modules for PEI A Diploma and determine it worth only 50 credits, and needs to top up additional 5 modules in order to meet the requirement of 100 credits study at OU B.

Yes, Peis and every business even local universities earn from every student they enroll. Of course, else who pay for the rental, lecturers and the wages? You make profit a dirty word and your business dies. All Business in Singapore is all about survival. We have a noble aim of education, but still we have to pay rental, taxes and also wages to our teachers.

Kyoji, does your boss pay you salary? Or do you pay your employees their rightful salary? What's wrong with that?

End day PEIs recognized Polytechnic Diploma but decided to shortchange ITE qualifications. Why can't PEIs recognized ITE qualifications according to their worth since PEIs have a 'noble aim of education'?

Why i suggest doing 1 to 2 years in Singapore first before moving to uk for year 3, because if you are working in Singapore, it's good to have 65% of your network from school being local and 35% foreign. Unless you are in the ivory league, else the composition as above should be okay.

If you are in PEI industry, you should know that majorly of full time students are foreigners which you will not get 65% network for Singapore Residents and a good number of foreigners will went back to their home country after their graduation. If you are taking about part time students, almost all of them are working adult and unlikely they will quit their job to study 1 year in UK. So the 35% foreign network from overseas studies will not apply to them.

 

[Kyoji83]

I am referring to studying in Singapore and let us Business as degree major.

Firstly, you get the idea wrong. UK is a direct Hons Degree and you are only going for 1 course. Aus is just a Basic Degree and you needs to top up 1 more course in order to get your Hons Degree which mean you are going for 2 courses.

So let use UK Direct Hons Degree and Aus Basic Degree as example. In UK, each year/stage have 3 trimester. Most of the PEIs allow you to go for their 3rd year UK degree if you have a Polytechnic Diploma. If you see the amount of modules from PEI to graduate with a degree, it is actually worth 1 or 2 trimester study load which is the reason why it appear to be more cheaper.

However in Sg, not much PEIs offer a Aus Degree and these PEIs like SIM, PSB & etc do not really give much exemption. This mean you are as good as studying the whole degree which make it appear to be more expensive.

So if you break down by per module, you maybe surprise that some UK Degree can be more expensive than Aus Degree.

Actually, My concern is why is Aus degree more expensive compared to UK degrees offered by PEI.

Moreover the UK degrees have honours. Wondering if there is something that I missed out on when doing comparisons.

 

[Jimmy Liddel]

Ic. Researching by per module fee seems a better way then.

Thank you.

I am referring to studying in Singapore and let us Business as degree major.

Firstly, you get the idea wrong. UK is a direct Hons Degree and you are only going for 1 course. Aus is just a Basic Degree and you needs to top up 1 more course in order to get your Hons Degree which mean you are going for 2 courses.

So let use UK Direct Hons Degree and Aus Basic Degree as example. In UK, each year/stage have 3 trimester. Most of the PEIs allow you to go for their 3rd year UK degree if you have a Polytechnic Diploma. If you see the amount of modules from PEI to graduate with a degree, it is actually worth 1 or 2 trimester study load which is the reason why it appear to be more cheaper.

However in Sg, not much PEIs offer a Aus Degree and these PEIs like SIM, PSB & etc do not really give much exemption. This mean you are as good as studying the whole degree which make it appear to be more expensive.

So if you break down by per module, you maybe surprise that some UK Degree can be more expensive than Aus Degree.