Where to study for IT?

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Of course NUS grad like u more arrogant that any average joe... like most NUS grad ego size as Siberia shows a lot. I love to crush egos, its fun, especially NUS grads when they start to cry running to papa n mama after I failed their internship. Whine and whine when they cannot make the cut. So u wanna continue to pcw here, keyboard warrior, go ahead I dont care.

You seems care more than you don't care. I didn't support any side saying NUS or NTU grads are better. unlike some unscientific guts feelings opinions like yours, I advise that you look at the individual and assess the individual instead of putting out a senseless sweeping statement like yours. it has nothing to do with pride, it has to do with logics. From your biased opinions, I see more of you failing simple mathematics and logics than pride and ego. I don't think you understand at all. All you have displayed is a full load of nonsense using a tiny little sample size and apply across the whole lot. I wonder if you even qualify primary logic and reasonings. You can imagine you are crushing egos. All I see is a frog thinking the sky is as large as the well opening. :)
 
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You seems care more than you don't care. I didn't support any side saying NUS or NTU grads are better. unlike some unscientific guts feelings opinions like yours, I advise that you look at the individual and assess the individual instead of putting out a senseless sweeping statement like yours. it has nothing to do with pride, it has to do with logics. From your biased opinions, I see more of you failing simple mathematics and logics than pride and ego. I don't think you understand at all. All you have displayed is a full load of nonsense using a tiny little sample size and apply across the whole lot. I wonder if you even qualify primary logic and reasonings. You can imagine you are crushing egos. All I see is a frog thinking the sky is as large as the well opening. :)

U LIKE FROG CONTINUE TO WHINE.. trying to act smart n logical but in real life a loser.
 

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U LIKE FROG CONTINUE TO WHINE.. trying to act smart n logical but in real life a loser.

Lol so this is how when someone has lack of logic and reasoning behaves. I pity those interns whom work in your company directly or indirectly under your supervision.
 

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There are other alternatives

Schools offering Silicon Valley-style tech courses target students with aptitude and commitment, with no need for paper qualifications

Ms Gabrielle Ong, 18, was accepted into the course of her choice at five local and overseas universities, but she has decided to work in the tech industry instead.

Armed with zero programming knowledge, Ms Ong, who was a student in Raffles Institution (Junior College), started attending a crash course on Web development at General Assembly (GA) Singapore in February.

Having completed it earlier this month, she is now considering two offers to become a junior developer for tech companies after her paid stint as an instructional assistant at GA ends in August.

A slew of schools offering Silicon Valley-style boot camps in a range of tech-related fields are eyeing students like Ms Ong.

No relevant paper qualifications are needed, just aptitude and commitment.

These schools, which offer full- time courses lasting from seven to 12 weeks, as well as part-time courses, are hoping to attract students hungry to enter the tech industry.

The first of these to open here is GA, a New York-headquartered education company that expanded to Singapore last year.

More are to follow: Next Academy, a coding school that started in Malaysia; Alpha Camp, a technology and start-up school launched in Taiwan and Hong Kong; and Make School, a software engineering and product development school from San Francisco that bills itself as an alternative to university. They plan to open full-time courses in the next few months.

What distinguishes their programmes from traditional university computing courses is their accelerated learning model that adopts a practice-based approach.

At Alpha Camp, for example, students across all four main tracks - digital marketing, product design, Web development and app development - are expected to collaborate and put a working product together at the end of the course. There are also mentorships, networking events and career placements.

With full-time course fees ranging from $7,000 to $12,000 before applicable subsidies, these courses - which can rival the cost of a year's university fees here - do not come cheap. But the schools say that they will pay off for most students.

Mr Christopher Quek, director of Make School Singapore, said that more than 90 per cent of its graduates in the United States who are working adults either find work in the tech industry or have founded start-ups three months after graduation, while the same proportion get internship offers in the tech industry.

GA claims that globally, 99 per cent of its job-seeking graduates have found work in the fields they were trained in, or have gone on to start their own companies within six months of graduating from full-time courses.

Some students at GA Singapore are also employees who have the support of their companies to take a sabbatical from work, and return to join their businesses' digital operations.

GA has had more than 300,000 students in its global programmes so far, and over 100 in Singapore have recently graduated from or are in full-time programmes.

The high percentage of graduates who secure employment could be down to the schools' highly selective admissions process, which tests students' commitment to change and learning, and puts them through basic challenges to test their logical reasoning skills.

Next Academy admits about 10 per cent of the students who apply, and will have 15 places for its Web development boot camp next month, which will grow to a monthly intake of 40 subsequently.

Alpha Camp's acceptance rate hovers at around 20 per cent.

Mr Bernard Chan, its Hong Kong-born founder, said the boot camp's immersive approach gives a leg-up to career-switchers looking for new beginnings. "It's not just about acquiring a skill, but learning how to think differently, and understanding the mindset and culture of the industry," he said.

Could such start-up schools replace university courses in Singapore as they expand their intakes in the future?

Earlier this month, a White Paper released by the British government, aimed at reforming further education, drew fire for a proposal that will allow "high quality" start-up education providers to award degrees for a probationary period to respond to the needs of the economy.

Detractors cast doubt on the quality of education provided by new entrants, and argued that students would be penalised if course standards proved to be inadequate.

Make School Singapore's Mr Quek said it has a "vision" to accept students who are 18 years old and younger.

At Make's US headquarters, the ages of students typically range from 13 to 25.

However, it is currently targeting working adults in Singapore, and its pilot seven-week full-time app development programme for 30 students will start next month.

Mr Khoong Chan Meng, director and chief executive of the Institute of Systems Science at the National University of Singapore (NUS-ISS), which offers skills acceleration programmes for tech and digital professionals, said that whether or not these new schools will replace the traditional university or even the polytechnic model of learning is "less of an issue".

Instead, they offer a "new range of multiple pathways" that allow Singapore to address the current shortage of digitally savvy professionals.

In February, the Infocomm Development Authority noted that Singapore may find itself short of nearly 30,000 information technology professionals by next year.

But that is just "the tip of the iceberg", said Mr Khoong, as there is also demand for digitally savvy employees who can collaborate with tech professionals to develop and integrate software into the business model, which could mean that "hundreds of thousands" of such personnel are needed.

Last October,NUS-ISS started a programme called StackUp, which will join the other start-up schools in offering intensive practice- based tech courses.

It has piloted two courses in programming and Web development for 30 students in the last three months, and will refine and expand its programme to include offerings in security engineering and big data engineering in the future.

Professor Wong Poh Kam, director of the NUS Entrepreneurship Centre, noted that start-up hopefuls may need more time to develop a sound foundation in both business and technical know-how.

"Being able to build a great app alone doesn't mean that you can start a company," he said. "You also need to understand customer needs and do market validation."
 

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Seriously?? Unless he just come out of JC or 'o' level maybe. U expect TS to graduate above 30 issit? provided he pass all in one sitting?:s22:

That is povided he havent given up half way. I have seen alot ppl cannot take it and gave up half way. We talking to humans here and not gifted ppl.

I hope you read carefully. I didn't ask him to attend all the schools, those were my rankings. TS just graduated from poly, what's wrong with getting a degree? I don't think you need to be gifted to get a degree :s11::s11:
 

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gld998 and David, pls dont fight. You guys are so childish. Lets together make this forum a healthy place where everyone can share their IT thoughts together. Dont pollute a good forum like this. You guys might be former ex classmates but thats in the past. Now you all are adults so pls behave like professionals.
 

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gld998 and David, pls dont fight. You guys are so childish. Lets together make this forum a healthy place where everyone can share their IT thoughts together. Dont pollute a good forum like this. You guys might be former ex classmates but pls thats in the past. Now you all are adults so pls behave like professionalsg

You can join him on his mindless quest and troll in a pair. Professionals don't throw out sweeping statements without good evidence or proper sampling. I didn't observe any professionalism there, just a kid trying too hard to put out a sweeping statement with no strong backing. If you would like to walk with that fella and hold hands trolling together, feel free to do so :)
 

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You can join him on his mindless quest and troll in a pair. Professionals don't throw out sweeping statements without good evidence or proper sampling. I didn't observe any professionalism there, just a kid trying too hard to put out a sweeping statement with no strong backing. If you would like to walk with that fella and hold hands trolling together, feel free to do so :)

a fool trying act smart again. Professional dont go around behaving like know it all. Everyday u look at the mirror n masturbate to yourself issit?
 

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I hope you read carefully. I didn't ask him to attend all the schools, those were my rankings. TS just graduated from poly, what's wrong with getting a degree? I don't think you need to be gifted to get a degree :s11::s11:

If TS is capable, believe me he wouldnt be posting here.
 

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If TS is capable, believe me he wouldnt be posting here.

Not sure how you got to know his capability from posting a question here. TS is new to the industry and no harm for him to gather some perspectives right. Moreover You asked a question here recently too right? Lol
 

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Not sure how you got to know his capability from posting a question here. TS is new to the industry and no harm for him to gather some perspectives right. Moreover You asked a question here recently too right? Lol

This is true but so far I dint getting any useful information or even proper direction. All I can google. No point telling me how to think and pointers if its not useful.

Come on, a degree is just a degree. Theory and on the ground is 2 different things.

TS I dont think he will make a change either he is serious. TS have MIA for a few days now. If he is serious, he will ask alot more question.
 

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a fool trying act smart again. Professional dont go around behaving like know it all. Everyday u look at the mirror n masturbate to yourself issit?

Is this the best you can do after getting really pissed off at being proven wrong? What a pathetic fella. Really lack of grace and knowledge at the same time :)

You are very wrong. A professional can appear to know it all to some grunt because they have the knowledge to do so, but only grunt can appear to put out a blanket statement with a lousy small sample size, and very likely a highly skewed one because they fail badly at the analysis stage and can't bring out valid points. In the end they start breaking down in logics when delivering statements. All they can do is getting pissed off, announcing in the public forum and then mentioned that they just want to troll at any possible situation. To answer you DIRECTLY. I don't have to ACT SMART when I am already SMART in the first place. If you didn't managed to get it, then perhaps you are NOT ALL THAT SMART. If you have to put in some sexual references to prove your points, you are really just a pathetic loser, thinking some sexual references in the post will boost your altered ego. What a laughing stock!!! LOLx.

A good example of such trolls which contain such failure can be found at thread

http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/eat-drink-man-woman-16/what-chiu-doing-nao-reh-5386127.html

with the following post

that arrogant ****** pissed me off.. make me tu lan. so die die must troll every chance I get. Butthurt NUS pride at its best.

I wonder who is more BUTTHURT, after posting the post above ? The one whom is "tu lan", and want to troll every chance IT get, or the other party ?
 
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This is true but so far I dint getting any useful information or even proper direction. All I can google. No point telling me how to think and pointers if its not useful.

Come on, a degree is just a degree. Theory and on the ground is 2 different things.

TS I dont think he will make a change either he is serious. TS have MIA for a few days now. If he is serious, he will ask alot more question.

Allow me to highlight it for you. Yes YOU are right. It's YOU only. Again a lousy sample size to assume all the rest whom attended the university didn't. Don't think you realise how bad you are at making assessments and decisions. Just because you failed and you didn't get any useful information and proper directions, means the rest of the cohort must be like you. I'm afraid that is not how the world works. Maybe you wanna grow some brains because it's only you whom doesn't know how to grasp the essences of things, which is why a degree is only a degree.

A degree is only a degree for grunt like you. For professionals whom take pride in the knowledge we own, we take it as a form of exposure to the world. We use this knowledge as the backing to the work we do and we value it. If you can't understand these simple facts, you shouldn't be getting an education, because that is what education is meant for in the first place.

Theory and practical(on the ground [give us a break in your silly description]) are not entirely different. They work hand in hand to deliver. Maybe that is what you are lack of so badly which is why you can put out blanket statement, and when challenged, you get pissed off and start breaking down PRACTICALLY because you have NO VALID THEORY to back up your points.

Again you make some assumption without good backing on why TS MIA. He could be busy ? He could be not someone constantly going to the net. He could be back a few days later to look at replies and see if there are progress. But I wonder what on earth give you the impression that it must be TS is not serious ? Maybe he read and doesn't want to reply after having trolls like you replying in his thread ? You know there are a lot of possibilities but all you have is without no further questioning, decide on one from TS, then decided to give some subpar advice on treating a degree like walking through a door mindlessly. That's where your THEORY fails.

Anyone whom thinks everything can be searched (or google-d) shows foolishness at their best. And to take foolish opinions from foolish people like these is the start of a fall into the abyss.
 
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This is true but so far I dint getting any useful information or even proper direction. All I can google. No point telling me how to think and pointers if its not useful.

Didn't you decide to take a course that someone recommended ? Isn't that a direction? Lol.

Based on my encounter with you, it seems like you need someone to even get you a spoon so that they can spoon feed you. Just a word of caution for you if you are planning to take OSCP - if you go to the instructors for help, they will literally tell you to "try harder", "try other ways", "look harder" etc. I would suggest that you don't waste your money if you can't even appreciate the importance of thinking process. Good luck :s12::s12:
 

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If any one happen to prepare for cissp, oscp or pmp.

Please reach out to me. These 3 certificates are on my radar. I will not spoon feed any information or courseware to you. I only will meet you up as a study group / friends and testing each other.
 

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guys can go back on topic about TS question ? if u all want to debate pls create another thread.. thx
 

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guys can go back on topic about TS question ? if u all want to debate pls create another thread.. thx

There are nothing to be debate. I am not your boss, you are not my boss.

So why does this require both person ? This methodology apply to others too.

I will try to get pmp follow by oscp then cissp. If any one is same on my road map, buzz me up.
 

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There are nothing to be debate. I am not your boss, you are not my boss.

So why does this require both person ? This methodology apply to others too.

I will try to get pmp follow by oscp then cissp. If any one is same on my road map, buzz me up.

lol im not referring to u.. I mean david n gld
 
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