which language is highly sought

[peterchan75]

Talking about perl. Its http get is simple and fast.

 

[davidktw]

Having meddled with Perl for a little over a month, I can see why the language isn't beginner friendly. Those magic variables and operators like the diamond operator - which does a job that require probably more than 10 lines of code in python - might look like gibberish to the "untrained" eye. Coupled with the weakly typed nature of the language and the TIMTOWTDI philosophy, it's too easy to end up with unmaintainable code.

That is quite true for the expressiveness of Perl does allows for developers to be wilful and end up with codes that takes another Master of Perl to interpret. However I think it is too much a fallacy to infer that a badly written Python or Java code will makes things a lot easier. I have seen really badly written Java codes and it can be so vague to the extend it takes hours or even days to really understand the concept behind those codes. No comments or useless comments.

So you see, I would say which ever programming language you work with, it can look beautiful and be expressive in times of need and yet achieve very maintainable codes. It's all in the decision of the programmer. It's all in the attitude and the mindset of the programmer. It's never the fault of the tool when things doesn't work, it's just a user whom doesn't use the tool the right way.

Perl's regex support is beyond awesome tho but I'm having a love hate relationship with the language due to its level of implicitness and its quirky OO support…I do find myself using it more often in place of awk and sed, and at times when I need to whip up sometime quick and dirty.

Definitely when it comes to consistency across different variables of *nix, perl makes one of the best choice. I do find at times, I just intermix perl into a bash script as such

STR=`cat | perl -ne 's/[\r\n]+/\n/g;print'`

even awk and sed have different variants across *nix and can make certain codes not portable. Like "awk" has nawk, mawk, gawk etc..

That being said, what do you think of Perl 6? I took a quick look and it seems like 6 and 5 are two different languages, with 6 moving towards being more explicit. Have you "migrated" to 6 yet?

Yes Perl 6 is non-portable upgrade from Perl 5. There are just too much fundamental changes to Perl 6 which will break a lot of Perl 5 codes having there must be a lot of ancient codes which are sloppily written. I will think Perl 5 to 6 is not going to be a migration, but rather co-existent. There will be a long time where Perl 5 will still continue to exist to support existing codes, and Perl6 will be for those whom are interested for a new perl project or ready for a full fledge conversion. You know, most of those that uses Perl, I suspect most highly believe in "if it ain't broke don't fix it", so I'm skeptical of the pick up of Perl 6 will be as vibrant as Javascript or any other modern web based programming languages choices. Moreoever, much of what is today in CPAN are still Perl5. I'm not sure how many of the packages there now are still under maintenance, so it's hard to tell for the progress of Perl 6.

I am also just learning about Perl 6, too much of other things to follow and since I predicted Perl6 pick up is going to take some time, it's not much of an urgency for me yet

 

[eontawer]

Having meddled with Perl for a little over a month, I can see why the language isn't beginner friendly. Those magic variables and operators like the diamond operator - which does a job that require probably more than 10 lines of code in python - might look like gibberish to the "untrained" eye. Coupled with the weakly typed nature of the language and the TIMTOWTDI philosophy, it's too easy to end up with unmaintainable code.

Perl's regex support is beyond awesome tho but I'm having a love hate relationship with the language due to its level of implicitness and its quirky OO support…I do find myself using it more often in place of awk and sed, and at times when I need to whip up sometime quick and dirty.

That being said, what do you think of Perl 6? I took a quick look and it seems like 6 and 5 are two different languages, with 6 moving towards being more explicit. Have you "migrated" to 6 yet?

Eating u now

 

[davidktw]

@Pickle, you really have a very "interesting" fan, don't you ?

 

[Ottoke]

@Pickle, you really have a very "interesting" fan, don't you ?

The stalker. He did not realise this thread is not in EDMW. Been going on for months already. Heh.

 

[*Pickle*]

That is quite true for the expressiveness of Perl does allows for developers to be wilful and end up with codes that takes another Master of Perl to interpret. However I think it is too much a fallacy to infer that a badly written Python or Java code will makes things a lot easier. I have seen really badly written Java codes and it can be so vague to the extend it takes hours or even days to really understand the concept behind those codes. No comments or useless comments.

So you see, I would say which ever programming language you work with, it can look beautiful and be expressive in times of need and yet achieve very maintainable codes. It's all in the decision of the programmer. It's all in the attitude and the mindset of the programmer. It's never the fault of the tool when things doesn't work, it's just a user whom doesn't use the tool the right way.

Yup, you're right. Perl is a beautiful language, but considering how this is my first brush with a weakly-typed, dynamic language, it's like walking on lane full of potholes. Sure needs some time getting used to

Definitely when it comes to consistency across different variables of *nix, perl makes one of the best choice. I do find at times, I just intermix perl into a bash script as such

STR=`cat | perl -ne 's/[\r\n]+/\n/g;print'`

even awk and sed have different variants across *nix and can make certain codes not portable. Like "awk" has nawk, mawk, gawk etc..

Question: Is the 'cat' in the command substitution "redundant" in the above code?

Yes Perl 6 is non-portable upgrade from Perl 5. There are just too much fundamental changes to Perl 6 which will break a lot of Perl 5 codes having there must be a lot of ancient codes which are sloppily written. I will think Perl 5 to 6 is not going to be a migration, but rather co-existent. There will be a long time where Perl 5 will still continue to exist to support existing codes, and Perl6 will be for those whom are interested for a new perl project or ready for a full fledge conversion. You know, most of those that uses Perl, I suspect most highly believe in "if it ain't broke don't fix it", so I'm skeptical of the pick up of Perl 6 will be as vibrant as Javascript or any other modern web based programming languages choices. Moreoever, much of what is today in CPAN are still Perl5. I'm not sure how many of the packages there now are still under maintenance, so it's hard to tell for the progress of Perl 6.

I am also just learning about Perl 6, too much of other things to follow and since I predicted Perl6 pick up is going to take some time, it's not much of an urgency for me yet

Definitely…it's been 15 years since it's initial development, I'm rather skeptical of the uptake rate. It's like Python 2 vs 3; objective-c vs swift. Older and stable releases will most likely stick around for a long time.

 

[davidktw]

Question: Is the 'cat' in the command substitution "redundant" in the above code?

It's my mistake. It should be the following

STR=`echo $STR | perl -ne 's/[\r\n]+/\n/g;print'`

 

[grimpel]

Yup, you're right. Perl is a beautiful language, but considering how this is my first brush with a weakly-typed, dynamic language, it's like walking on lane full of potholes. Sure needs some time getting used to




Question: Is the 'cat' in the command substitution "redundant" in the above code?




Definitely…it's been 15 years since it's initial development, I'm rather skeptical of the uptake rate. It's like Python 2 vs 3; objective-c vs swift. Older and stable releases will most likely stick around for a long time.

Hmm excellent

 

[ykgoh]

Source: http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html

TIOBE Index for December 2015
December Headline: Java's popularity is going through the roof
There is hardly any doubt about it, Java will become TIOBE's programming language of the year 2015. The steep fall of Objective-C of almost 8% this year seems to be completely absorbed by the most popular language at the moment. More about Java next month. Another interesting move concerns the rise of Python. It is currently at its all time high position. It is easy to learn, available everywhere and embraced by industry. Python is the current standard in scripting.

 

[exim22]

Source: http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html

TIOBE index is misleading.

The TIOBE Index is a lagging indicator. It counts the number of web pages with the language name. It simply mean nothing compare to job agencies like indeed with a proper data.

Github is another of which Javascript is the most popular with 15 influential programmers and Linus Torvald for C programming.

 

[sgt4leaf]

I think not many people know how to create powerful queries with SQL. Their knowledge is limited to simple query.

It also depends on what real world applications need. In school or when learning you do more complex ones and challenge yourself, but in reality that never comes into play.

 

[ttl_64]

Swift is the language of the future. !

 

[exim22]

I notice this discussion for sometime now, some comments here aren't clearly explain and the TS question is too broad, need to limit to his area of interests than comparing which languages when each one have flaws and benefits and we know one sized doesn't fit all.

Please refrain from posting "Depending on..." that can lead to no ending discussions and appear to be more bo chap.

You should use Quora as the right platform to ask further questions, the expertise are there to advice you.

 

[sgt4leaf]

Swift is the language of the future. !

Unless apple abandons that like they did obj c as well

 

[exim22]

Unless apple abandons that like they did obj c as well

Both Obj-C and Swift can coexist.

"The early bird catches the worm" Thanks to LLVM creator on improve the performance near to C or sometime faster, wait for WWDC 2016 and see what are in for us.

 

[mojosing]

HI. Have you heard of NATURAL LANGUAGE PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE ? This is the software language of the future to create INTELLIGENT INTERNET as an alternative to current internet.

 

[mojosing]

What is Swift use for ? can you pls elaborate ? is it good for software automation and networking and computing works ?

 

[mojosing]

anyone can help ? where to find software programmer in Unix and Linux and Windows ?

thx

 

[davidktw]

anyone can help ? where to find software programmer in Unix and Linux and Windows ?

thx

do you have problem sourcing from JobStreet, jobdb, recruitment agencies and career fair?

 

[mojosing]

ME NOT LOOKING TO HIRE. ME LOOKING FOR SOFTWARE PROGRAMMER TO SHARE/DISCUSS SOME INTERESTING INFO ABOUT PROGRAMMING.