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First thing first, I'm a She, not a He:D

Next thing, who doesn't want to do a MBA in NUS/NTU/SMU. Its just that its so hard to get in with my low gmat score & bad undergrad results. So I can only think of the next best option. :(

I just want to do a full time MBA in a campus any part of the world. I just want to do a MBA to make up to my poor degree results , & secure a govt job. Thats why I'm asking for a MBA that is well recognised in Singapore Civil service.
 

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I mean because of pinkpiglet4's case on Stanford MSc vs local MBA (NUS/NTU/SMU) because he needs to secure a Govt job, this Stanford MSc vs local MBA debate have started however it does not contribute to his question.

So I add in the debate as part of the discussion that for his case, it is the full time local MBA (NUS/NTU/SMU) that will help him over Stanford MSc & part time local MBA (NUS/NTU/SMU).

I guess its a misunderstanding. Actually this debate has nothing to do with Pinkpiglet4 at all. It was a separate query that I asked for opinions on, as I was interested in a career switch to MC.

First thing first, I'm a She, not a He:D

Next thing, who doesn't want to do a MBA in NUS/NTU/SMU. Its just that its so hard to get in with my low gmat score & bad undergrad results. So I can only think of the next best option. :(

I just want to do a full time MBA in a campus any part of the world. I just want to do a MBA to make up to my poor degree results , & secure a govt job. Thats why I'm asking for a MBA that is well recognised in Singapore Civil service.

Did you actually use study guides for GMAT with proper preparation before taking your GMAT? Even with poor degree results (as long as not disastrous), with a great GMAT score, good working experience and a great story explaining the improvement you had undergone since your undergrad days, its still possible to get into NUS/NTU/SMU full time MBA. However, getting that MBA is still independent of securing a job in the Singapore Civil Service. They do look at relevant past experience, and without relevant experience, you may be overqualified for entry level roles.
 

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Did you actually use study guides for GMAT with proper preparation before taking your GMAT? Even with poor degree results (as long as not disastrous), with a great GMAT score, good working experience and a great story explaining the improvement you had undergone since your undergrad days, its still possible to get into NUS/NTU/SMU full time MBA. However, getting that MBA is still independent of securing a job in the Singapore Civil Service. They do look at relevant past experience, and without relevant experience, you may be overqualified for entry level roles.

Mine was second lower honours , not that distrastrous but too many so many 1st class/2nd upper students out there :eek::eek:

I prepared for 1.5mnths fr my gmat. Its my first attempt. i BOUGHt some books from kino & went fr 10 lessons at a local prep sch for gmat. I didn't put in full effort also :( Now don't feel like attempting again & so gonna sell away my books. Some friends told me to try again as the first attempt is normally difficult... :(

Im lost, confused & stressed... :s11::s11:
 

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Hmm, actually I am not too sure if there is indeed no access to the campus recruiting program. The website stated that enrolled students that's on campus are eligible for campus recruiting, not too sure if part-time students on campus are also eligible. Anyway have sent the career service department a message to clarify this. Thanks!

There are more things you need to consider. If you're spending one or two quarters working remotely from US, what visa will you qualify for? Your company can sponsor you for work visa? If you're on student visa, you might need to take a full time course load during your stay and you're not legally allowed to work. If you're there on a tourist visa you may not be legally allowed to study etc. These are things that you should clarify upfront with your school's international affairs department.
 

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Mine was second lower honours , not that distrastrous but too many so many 1st class/2nd upper students out there :eek::eek:

I prepared for 1.5mnths fr my gmat. Its my first attempt. i BOUGHt some books from kino & went fr 10 lessons at a local prep sch for gmat. I didn't put in full effort also :( Now don't feel like attempting again & so gonna sell away my books. Some friends told me to try again as the first attempt is normally difficult... :(

Im lost, confused & stressed... :s11::s11:

2nd lower honors is not that bad, so if you are not getting the govt job you want, you probably have a poorly written resume, sucked at the interviews, or don't have sufficient relevant experience for the position you are applying for. Anyway if you want to re-do GMAT, try the manhattan gmat guides, they are pretty good. can just download them off the net if you are ok studying off pdfs.

There are more things you need to consider. If you're spending one or two quarters working remotely from US, what visa will you qualify for? Your company can sponsor you for work visa? If you're on student visa, you might need to take a full time course load during your stay and you're not legally allowed to work. If you're there on a tourist visa you may not be legally allowed to study etc. These are things that you should clarify upfront with your school's international affairs department.

yep, these are things to be worked out for sure. definitely won't get a work visa or a student visa (unless I convert to full time with > 6 or 8 units for the quarter). Tourist visa wise, I know of a friend that was in a NTU MSc program that went for a exchange at CMU for 2-3 months on tourist visa. :eek::s22: Probably need to clarify if taking a course or two for 2-3 months can be done on a tourist visa.

I think I am pretty much decided for the Stanford MSc, since the program is recognized by my MNC (and the other Stanford member companies which include most major us aerospace MNCs) even if tier 1 MCs don't care about it. Besides, I can still try for a full time MBA after this if I have the moola or the sponsorship. Would be rather weird to go for such MSc full-time after taking a part-time NUS MBA.
 
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Your Master Degree will not over right the Bach/Hons Degree requirement for job consideration because the position require a Bach/Hons Degree & not a Master Degree.

In short, don't waste your time & money to paper chase because it is useless.

First thing first, I'm a She, not a He:D

Next thing, who doesn't want to do a MBA in NUS/NTU/SMU. Its just that its so hard to get in with my low gmat score & bad undergrad results. So I can only think of the next best option. :(

I just want to do a full time MBA in a campus any part of the world. I just want to do a MBA to make up to my poor degree results , & secure a govt job. Thats why I'm asking for a MBA that is well recognised in Singapore Civil service.
 

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Your Master Degree will not over right the Bach/Hons Degree requirement for job consideration because the position require a Bach/Hons Degree & not a Master Degree.

In short, don't waste your time & money to paper chase because it is useless.


i got no honours with gmat 610; smu 2014
 

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I spend like 3 mths

just study the gmat official book 2012 then go for test. I did 1 test and 80 qn from each of the 5 section
 

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MBS - Manchester Business School

Hi

I'm considering to accept MBS part-time MBA offer for Jan 2014 intake. I notice the student average age is 35 and in managerial level. I'm still 30, having various experience in IT (Engineer, Presales, Consulting) for 6 years but not at managerial level.

I want to join MBA to advance my career, do you think MBS program (curriculum, peers, network) would fit my profile and beneficial for my career advancement?

Appreciate any suggestion, thank you!
 

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Hi

I'm considering to accept MBS part-time MBA offer for Jan 2014 intake. I notice the student average age is 35 and in managerial level. I'm still 30, having various experience in IT (Engineer, Presales, Consulting) for 6 years but not at managerial level.

I want to join MBA to advance my career, do you think MBS program (curriculum, peers, network) would fit my profile and beneficial for my career advancement?

Appreciate any suggestion, thank you!
Get yourself in mgmt position then go for mba bah!
 

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SMU MBA review

This is a rather long post but bear with me. I would like to caveat this was purely my personal experience with SMU’s MBA program unless otherwise stated. Another student may have an entirely different experience for better or worse. Nonetheless, I would like to share my experience with the program over the last 1 year.

I was part of the full time class of 2013 and recently graduated. SMU was never on my radar for my list of B-schools; in fact, no Singapore school was on my list. My intention was always to head to the US for my MBA. However, due to significant cost outlay of at least 150k by going overseas, I had to settle for a local MBA instead. On hindsight after completing the SMU MBA, I should have gone overseas instead of settling for a local MBA.

I ended up selected SMU over NTU and NUS (I was accepted to all 3 programs) because of the following: 1) They had the earliest start date as compared to the other 2 schools. 2) It was a 1 year program compared to NUS which was 1.5 years. NTU had switched their program to a 1 year program for 2013 onwards as well, but the start date was in April. 3) As the SMU MBA was a new program, I thought the school would put in more effort to ensure students get the best out of it to be future ambassadors about the program.

From here on out, I will split the review into 4 parts: 1) Faculty, 2) Modules, 3) Students, 4) Career prospects.

Faculty


This is a hit and miss with the MBA program. There are some really excellent faculty members who know what they talk about and truly value add to the program and learning. They design the course to maximize the learning experience of each student and as a whole. That said, of my 19 different modules that I took in the program, I would only classify 10 of them in this category. The core modules (mandatory modules part of the MBA) tend to be taught by full time faculty, while the electives are taught by a mix of adjunct and full time faculty. Adjunct faculty are usually the ones who fail to hit the mark. Given that some of these faculty members have been teaching the past cohorts as well, it amazes me that SMU would still hire them again for future batches when I think their evaluations would have been rather poor. Then again, this would be how I would rate these professors. These adjunct faculty may be great practitioners, but they fail to translate that into teaching.

A piece of advice to future and current MBA SMU students, talk to the alumni and find out which elective profs to take and which to avoid (unfortunately there is no choice with the core classes). It makes a huge difference to the learning experience.

Modules

As the MBA program is still in its infancy (started only in 2008), the number of offered electives can be rather limited depending on your preferred area of concentration. For year 2013, the heaviest concentrations available were in finance and marketing. If you preferred something in HR, you could be out of luck since there were only 2 classes dedicated to this area. Unlike an established school like INSEAD which may seem to have an abundance of electives, choices tend to limited at SMU. I do believe this will improve over the near future as the class sizes continue to grow. There are only so many electives you can offer with a class of 90 students.

Electives are only offered once during the entire course, so if you miss an elective you want to take, you won’t get a second chance. Some times, 2 electives will overlap in timing and you will need to choose between the two.

Another point to note is that electives are only conducted on weekday evenings and during the entire day on Saturday and Sunday. This allows full time students to take on a job or internship during the elective period providing more flexibility. Depending on your job/internship, this can be extremely tiring as you still need to attend classes at night and on the weekends, leaving little time for rest.

Students

During your core modules, you will be assigned groups randomly, so you won’t get to cherry pick your group members. This gives everyone an opportunity to work with one another and get to know each other better. Because of this arrangement it allowed me to know most of my class rather well and the type of people I can work with in the future. While working with my class, some of them left me pondering if they were truly postgrad students, even their behaviors in class could be baffling at times.

As the MBA program is new it seems the admission criteria is rather lax at times given the quality of some of these students.

That said, there were some really bright folks, who truly contributed and made the experience better.

Career prospects

If you are depending on the career center to find you a job, don’t bother going to SMU. The career services is probably the worst aspect of the entire program. During my 1 year, I was assigned 3 different career counselors, all of whom were administratively incapable and despite their supposedly glowing resumes about their previous experiences and so-called connections, I never once saw it being used or help someone. I only found one counselor (not part of the assigned 3) to be effective and helping me land my role today.

For full time class of 2012, 45% had full time offers by graduation, and ~77% had offers 3 months after graduation. My class is still under the process of collecting data but it doesn’t look good at this point in time.

A handful of class 2013 gotten full time offers before graduation, so despite being an unranked and new MBA, it is still possible to obtain high paying jobs in large MNCs.

Summary

To conclude, I must admit if it wasn’t for the SMU MBA, I wouldn’t be where I am today. Through a networking event held by the career services, I had a nice full time offer in the industry I wanted to move into.

That said, there are many pain points one has to endure throughout the program and they should be aware of what they are getting themselves into if they choose to enroll in the program. It’s not all bright and rosy as you see in the brochures or talks. I do hope this review will help any prospective or current student in the SMU MBA program.
 

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This is a rather long post but bear with me. I would like to caveat this was purely my personal experience with SMU’s MBA program unless otherwise stated. Another student may have an entirely different experience for better or worse. Nonetheless, I would like to share my experience with the program over the last 1 year.

I was part of the full time class of 2013 and recently graduated. SMU was never on my radar for my list of B-schools; in fact, no Singapore school was on my list. My intention was always to head to the US for my MBA. However, due to significant cost outlay of at least 150k by going overseas, I had to settle for a local MBA instead. On hindsight after completing the SMU MBA, I should have gone overseas instead of settling for a local MBA.

I ended up selected SMU over NTU and NUS (I was accepted to all 3 programs) because of the following: 1) They had the earliest start date as compared to the other 2 schools. 2) It was a 1 year program compared to NUS which was 1.5 years. NTU had switched their program to a 1 year program for 2013 onwards as well, but the start date was in April. 3) As the SMU MBA was a new program, I thought the school would put in more effort to ensure students get the best out of it to be future ambassadors about the program.

From here on out, I will split the review into 4 parts: 1) Faculty, 2) Modules, 3) Students, 4) Career prospects.

Faculty


This is a hit and miss with the MBA program. There are some really excellent faculty members who know what they talk about and truly value add to the program and learning. They design the course to maximize the learning experience of each student and as a whole. That said, of my 19 different modules that I took in the program, I would only classify 10 of them in this category. The core modules (mandatory modules part of the MBA) tend to be taught by full time faculty, while the electives are taught by a mix of adjunct and full time faculty. Adjunct faculty are usually the ones who fail to hit the mark. Given that some of these faculty members have been teaching the past cohorts as well, it amazes me that SMU would still hire them again for future batches when I think their evaluations would have been rather poor. Then again, this would be how I would rate these professors. These adjunct faculty may be great practitioners, but they fail to translate that into teaching.

A piece of advice to future and current MBA SMU students, talk to the alumni and find out which elective profs to take and which to avoid (unfortunately there is no choice with the core classes). It makes a huge difference to the learning experience.

Modules

As the MBA program is still in its infancy (started only in 2008), the number of offered electives can be rather limited depending on your preferred area of concentration. For year 2013, the heaviest concentrations available were in finance and marketing. If you preferred something in HR, you could be out of luck since there were only 2 classes dedicated to this area. Unlike an established school like INSEAD which may seem to have an abundance of electives, choices tend to limited at SMU. I do believe this will improve over the near future as the class sizes continue to grow. There are only so many electives you can offer with a class of 90 students.

Electives are only offered once during the entire course, so if you miss an elective you want to take, you won’t get a second chance. Some times, 2 electives will overlap in timing and you will need to choose between the two.

Another point to note is that electives are only conducted on weekday evenings and during the entire day on Saturday and Sunday. This allows full time students to take on a job or internship during the elective period providing more flexibility. Depending on your job/internship, this can be extremely tiring as you still need to attend classes at night and on the weekends, leaving little time for rest.

Students

During your core modules, you will be assigned groups randomly, so you won’t get to cherry pick your group members. This gives everyone an opportunity to work with one another and get to know each other better. Because of this arrangement it allowed me to know most of my class rather well and the type of people I can work with in the future. While working with my class, some of them left me pondering if they were truly postgrad students, even their behaviors in class could be baffling at times.

As the MBA program is new it seems the admission criteria is rather lax at times given the quality of some of these students.

That said, there were some really bright folks, who truly contributed and made the experience better.

Career prospects

If you are depending on the career center to find you a job, don’t bother going to SMU. The career services is probably the worst aspect of the entire program. During my 1 year, I was assigned 3 different career counselors, all of whom were administratively incapable and despite their supposedly glowing resumes about their previous experiences and so-called connections, I never once saw it being used or help someone. I only found one counselor (not part of the assigned 3) to be effective and helping me land my role today.

For full time class of 2012, 45% had full time offers by graduation, and ~77% had offers 3 months after graduation. My class is still under the process of collecting data but it doesn’t look good at this point in time.

A handful of class 2013 gotten full time offers before graduation, so despite being an unranked and new MBA, it is still possible to obtain high paying jobs in large MNCs.

Summary

To conclude, I must admit if it wasn’t for the SMU MBA, I wouldn’t be where I am today. Through a networking event held by the career services, I had a nice full time offer in the industry I wanted to move into.

That said, there are many pain points one has to endure throughout the program and they should be aware of what they are getting themselves into if they choose to enroll in the program. It’s not all bright and rosy as you see in the brochures or talks. I do hope this review will help any prospective or current student in the SMU MBA program.

Thanks for sharing... Very informative.
 

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Hey lee_tired_sheep, between a Stanford MSc and a NUS MBA, which has a better chance in landing an associate consultant role with MBB?

I don't remember very well but I believe the designations are slightly different in each firm.

Anyways, from my "research", MBB will require you to be from top schools for both your undergrad and post-grad studies. Even if you take an MBA from Insead or LBS without coming from a pedigree university for your undergrad, you won't even be considered for the position.

Booz & Co. and other closer competitors will however still consider you if your work experience is relevant and you have finished your MBA from a top school.

Do correct me if I'm wrong. I do not work in a MC firm...

Anyways, congrats to you for receiving a full sponsporship for the Stanford MS&E.

Envy!
 

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I don't remember very well but I believe the designations are slightly different in each firm.

Anyways, from my "research", MBB will require you to be from top schools for both your undergrad and post-grad studies. Even if you take an MBA from Insead or LBS without coming from a pedigree university for your undergrad, you won't even be considered for the position.

Booz & Co. and other closer competitors will however still consider you if your work experience is relevant and you have finished your MBA from a top school.

Do correct me if I'm wrong. I do not work in a MC firm...

Anyways, congrats to you for receiving a full sponsporship for the Stanford MS&E.

Envy!

Having brand name undergrad and postgrad schools simply opens more doors for you. No doubt if you simply apply via the normal recruitment process, with T3/T4 schools you probably stand no chance.

If you come from a lesser name school, you still stand a chance of entering MBB, but networking then becomes key to getting the interview. I cannot stress this enough but making a strong impression during networking is a key factor to getting interviews in consulting.

It's the same with every firm and not just MBB. Every firm wants brand name grads, but once at the interview, it's all about fit and cracking the cases. Your school name doesn't matter anymore.

Of all MBB, McKinsey is the most open to considering people with exceptional work experience.
 
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I don't remember very well but I believe the designations are slightly different in each firm.

Anyways, from my "research", MBB will require you to be from top schools for both your undergrad and post-grad studies. Even if you take an MBA from Insead or LBS without coming from a pedigree university for your undergrad, you won't even be considered for the position.

Booz & Co. and other closer competitors will however still consider you if your work experience is relevant and you have finished your MBA from a top school.

Do correct me if I'm wrong. I do not work in a MC firm...

Anyways, congrats to you for receiving a full sponsporship for the Stanford MS&E.

Envy!

haha thanks. my "research" has somewhat different results in that the background of the new hires will typically differ by the office location. for the bigger and more prestigious offices (eg nyc), competition for the limited slots will be fiercer, and if competency of the candidates are equal, the brand name of the undergrad/grad school may tip the balance. the offices also tend to hire more ppl from the local/regional schools, ie it is more likely for mckinsey sg to hire a NUS grad than mckinsey cleveland.

and the designations between the MBB definitely differs. mba fresh hires are typically 2 grades up from undergrad fresh hires, so i was actually referring to the grade between undergrad and mba fresh hires.

Having brand name undergrad and postgrad schools simply opens more doors for you. No doubt if you simply apply via the normal recruitment process, with T3/T4 schools you probably stand no chance.

If you come from a lesser name school, you still stand a chance of entering MBB, but networking then becomes key to getting the interview. I cannot stress this enough but making a strong impression during networking is a key factor to getting interviews in consulting.

It's the same with every firm and not just MBB. Every firm wants brand name grads, but once at the interview, it's all about fit and cracking the cases. Your school name doesn't matter anymore.

Of all MBB, McKinsey is the most open to considering people with exceptional work experience.

yep, agree with your comments. based on the MBB's career sites, mckinsey appears to have the most flexibility in hiring experienced applicants into somewhat more senior positions in lieu of a MBA compared to BB. it also appears to have the strongest presence in my targeted niche, so i will probably be trying for them in a couple of years time :o

did you join a MC after your SMU MBA?
 

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yep, agree with your comments. based on the MBB's career sites, mckinsey appears to have the most flexibility in hiring experienced applicants into somewhat more senior positions in lieu of a MBA compared to BB. it also appears to have the strongest presence in my targeted niche, so i will probably be trying for them in a couple of years time :o

did you join a MC after your SMU MBA?

Yes, I'm with a MC.
 
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