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Out of curiousity, what is the reputation of an MBA from NYU Stern in Singapore? I'm actually based in NY right now, and am considering going to Stern for MBA, and then eventually coming back to Singapore.
 

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anyone knows if the Lancaster or the manchester mba is good programme? the workload?
 

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Hi Jona,

I heard the Manchester MBA is good. It is however, rather pricey at more than $50k for the entire course. Lancaster has good rankings, but it is the first time the program is conducted in Singapore, hence do expect some teething problems. I am extracting an email form Jasyln Tan from Manchester for your info here.

1. Flexibility/Mobility
Manchester MBA programmes allow you to study at your own pace, wherever you may be.

2. Ranking by Financial Times
As one of the highly ranked business school, Manchester Business School is ranked 4th in the UK, 10th in Europe and 22nd Worldwide consistently for the past three years including year 2008 by the reputed Financial Times www.ft.com.

3. World Class Accreditations
Manchester Business School is among the less than 1% of elite business schools in the world to hold the prestigious recognitions of the triple accreditation.

AACSB - The Association of Advance Collegiate Schools of Business (USA) - http://www.aacsb.edu/accreditation/
AMBA - The Association of MBAs (UK) - http://www.mbaworld.com
EQUIS - European Quality Improvement Systems by the European Foundation for Management Development (EFMD) - http://www.efmd.org/html/home.asp

4. MBA Certificate
The MBA certificate awarded to graduates will be identical to that issued to the full-time MBA students on campus.

5. Do you fit the bill?

Full Programme
The entry requirements are, age 27 years or above, a bachelor degree and 3 years of mid-management and above work experience for FMBA. For EMBA, a relevant bachelor degree and 3 years of relevant work experience. GMAT does not form part of the initial requirements, but may be requested on a case to case basis.

For those who do not posses a bachelor degree may be considered under the mature entry route if the candidate has many years (more than 6 years) of mid/senior management level work experience.

Accelerated Programme
For consideration on the Accelerated Programme of the FMBA, besides being 27 years of age or above, you will need to posses a professional accountancy qualification/status, such as a Non-Practicing Member or a Practicing Member of a country's national professional accountancy body or a full/fellow member of ACCA or CIMA or ICAEW. GMAT will not be required if you are offered under the Accelerated Programme. Students on the Accelerated Programme will be awarded 3 modules exemptions from the programme.

6. Course Fee

Early Payment Discount Programme – limited seats available for student to enjoy up to 15% Off the first two semesters’ fee. Please see the attached fee structure and conditions.

Normal Course Fee
The normal course fees for the January 2009 semester is S$51,000, payable over 6 semesters inclusive of project stage fee for Full-Programme for FMBA or EMBA (pls refer to attached for the installment structure).

For Accelerated Programme of FMBA (pls refer to the brief in No. 5 for eligibility), S$48,500, payable over 5 semesters inclusive of project stage fee (pls refer to attached for the installment structure).

The course fees includes the study materials, exams, workshops in Singapore, what it does not cover would be exam resits, assignment resubmissions, module retake, changing of module mid way, new materials required due to deferment of studies, late changes, extensions, travel and accommodation expenses incurred to overseas centre etc.

Educational loan is offered by Citibank, RHB and Maybank.

You may pay your course fees by cashier's order, bankdraft or telegraphic transfer.

7. Duration /Coursework Stage
For Full Programme, FMBA there are 12 modules in total, 8 core modules and 4 electives. The coursework stage is spread comfortably over 5 semesters of 6 months each (2.5 years) and the project stage will be 6 months to a year. Averagely, a candidate will take about 2.5 to 3.0 years to complete, including the project stage. The fastest one can take to complete may be 2.0 years.

For Accelerated Programme of FMBA, there are 9 modules in total, 5 core modules and 4 electives. It will be spread comfortably over 4 semesters of 6 months each and a project stage of 6 months to a year. Averagely, a candidate will take about 2 to 2.5 years to complete, including the project stage.

Students are allowed to opt for upto 2 electives from the other programme, subject to approval being given by the MBA UK office.

8. Face to Face Contact
There will be face to face contact during workshops here in Singapore. The Academics/Workshop Directors will be flown in from the UK to Spore to conduct them. A candidate will look at attending 2 workshops of 3 days each (full-day on a weekday and full-day on weekends, eg. Friday to Sunday) where leave from work will be required. On rare occasions, consecutive 2 weekday evenings (7pm-10pm) plus two full-days on weekends (Sat-Sun - 9am to 5pm) etc per semester of 6 months. There will be an option to attend the workshops in UK, HK or Malaysia subject to availability. Workshop attendances are compulsory.

In addition, support in the form of tutorials by local tutors held over weekday evenings are provided for some modules. These are provided way and above the programme fees, a value-add support service we offer to local students. That is, we provide them complimentary to students in Singapore and students at our Hong Kong centre, whereas, they are not offered in other parts of the world. Tutorial attendances are not compulsory.

9. Assessment
Assessment will be based on 50% assignments and 50% exams plus a pass at project stage.

10. Exam Period
The open-book exams will be held in June and Nov/Dec of each year. There are over a hundred venues worldwide for students to choose from.

11. Venue for Classes
The venue for classes will be at our premise at 1 Phillip Street #07-00 Spore 048692, next to Golden Shoe Carpark/OCBC Centre (5 mins walk from Raffles Place MRT).

12. Summary of a Typical Semester
Please note that this is only a rough guide:
a. Start of semester - Collection of study materials for the semester (first week of Jan or Jul).
b. 1st to 4th week of the semester - Self-reading of study materials and preparation for assignment 1s.
c. 4th week onwards into the semester - First and second tutorials before assignment 1 due dates (only for modules supported by tutorials), attendance are encouraged.
d. 6th week onwards into the semester - Assignment 1 due (pls note due dates varies from module to module).
e. 10th week onwards into the semester - Workshops (pls refer to No.8. for more information), attendances are compulsory.
f. 4 to 2 weeks before exams - Last tutorials for exam revisions (only for modules supported with tutorials).
g. Exams (early-mid June for Jan semester, or end Nov/early Dec for Jul semester).

You can refer to the sample timetable attached for a better idea.

You may wish to visit our website at www.mbs-worldwide.ac.uk/global_network/singapore.aspfor more information on Manchester Business School.
 

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Here's some infor about the Lancaster MBA

Global MBA overview




The programme progressively develops knowledge, understanding and skills through stages. Part 1 focuses on core organisational functions and processes – Organisational behaviour, Managing operations, Marketing management, Business economics, Management accounting, and Finance. Part 2 builds on this functional knowledge to develop a more strategic perspective and to draw together the functional and strategic so that participants approach organisational and managerial issues in a more integrative manner. This part of the programme covers Strategic management and Managing change and also provides an opportunity to apply the knowledge, gained through the programme to date, through the Integrative Case Examinations. As an integrating mechanism across the first two parts of the programme and to provide the opportunity for students to further develop their understanding and skills in the practice of managing and organising the Perspectives on managing and organising module will run across the first two parts of the programme focusing on individual and organisational learning. Part 3 of the programme continues the integrative theme with a group based consultancy activity that requires participants to draw on the preceding elements of the programme to develop actionable recommendations for client organisations and an individual organisational project which provides the opportunity for participants to focus their learning by addressing a particular area of organisational concern and so develop greater insight into a specific areas of management and business and a more critical insight in to organisational practice.




Outline programme structure and timing




March 2009

Pre-Induction







April 2009

M1 - Perspectives on managing & organizing

Delivery: [32 hrs] Thursday (1800-2200) Friday, Saturday and Sunday (0900-1730) and Monday (1800-2200)

Assessment: M1 - 1st reflective assignment 2.5K




June 09

M2 - Organisational behaviour

Delivery: [24 hrs] Friday (1800-2200), Saturday and Sunday (0900-1730) and Monday (1800-2200)

Assessment: M2 - assignment 3K




August 09

M3 – Managing operations

Delivery: [24 hrs] Friday (1800-2200), Saturday and Sunday (0900-1730) and Monday (1800-2200)

Assessment: M3 - assignment 3K




October 09

M4 - Marketing mgmt

Delivery: [24 hrs] Friday (1800-2200), Saturday and Sunday (0900-1730) and Monday (1800-2200)

Assessment: M4 - assignment 3K




December 09

M5 - Business economics

Delivery: [24 hrs] Friday (1800-2200), Saturday and Sunday (0900-1730) and Monday (1800-2200)

Assessment: M5 - assignment 3K




February 2010

M6 - Management Accounting

Delivery: [24 hrs] Friday (1800-2200), Saturday and Sunday (0900-1730) and Monday (1800-2200)

Assessment: M6 - Examination




April 2010

M7 – Finance

Accounting Exam Thursday (1800 – 2100) or Friday (1400-1700)

Delivery: [24 hrs] Friday (1800-2200), Saturday and Sunday (0900-1730) and Monday (1800-2200)

Assessment: M7 - Examination




June 2010

M8 - Strategic management

Finance Exam Thursday (1400 – 1700)

Delivery: [32 hrs] Thursday (1800-2200) Friday, Saturday and Sunday (0900-1730) and Monday (1800-2200)

Assessment: M8 – Group work & assessment 3K




August 2010

M9 - Managing change

Delivery: [24 hrs] Friday (1800-2200), Saturday and Sunday (0900-1730) and Monday (1400-1800)

Exam prep Monday (1900 – 2200)

Assessment: M9 – Assessment 3K




October 2010

M10 - Integrative exams

Exam 1 Thursday (1800-2200),

Exam 2 prep Friday

Exam 2 Saturday (0900-12-30)

Perspectives on managing & organizing follow up

Delivery: [8 hrs] Sunday (0900-17-30)

Assessment: M1 – 2nd reflective assignment 2.5K

Introduction to Part 3 – M12 Dissertation

Delivery: [8 hrs] Monday (0900-17-30)

Assessment: M12 – Dissertation 90% (10K words); proposal 10% (1.5K words) to complete by March 2011 (6 months)







Diploma exit point




December 2010

M11 - Consultancy challenge

Delivery: [8 hrs] Saturday (0900-1730)

Assessment: M11 – group report & personal reflections [Consultancy challenge to be completed by March 2011]

M12 Research methods for managers

Delivery: [16 hrs] Sunday (0900-1730) and Monday (1800-2200)




April 2011

Dissertation submission and complete
 

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Out of curiousity, what is the reputation of an MBA from NYU Stern in Singapore? I'm actually based in NY right now, and am considering going to Stern for MBA, and then eventually coming back to Singapore.

stern is a great school but in SG some of the best schools are not very well regarded ,in part due to the lack of HR folks with such knowledge and a gerenally lesser regard towards MBAs compared to US. For instance, Kelloggs, Tuck and even Sloan to name a few are virutally unknown to most here

That said, depending in what you want to do, the level of exposure the firm / industry has to MBAs will determine if you can get something back in SG.
 

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stern is a great school but in SG some of the best schools are not very well regarded ,in part due to the lack of HR folks with such knowledge and a gerenally lesser regard towards MBAs compared to US. For instance, Kelloggs, Tuck and even Sloan to name a few are virutally unknown to most here

That said, depending in what you want to do, the level of exposure the firm / industry has to MBAs will determine if you can get something back in SG.

Wow, I'm genuinely surprised. All the schools you mentioned are excellent schools and I guess I'm just shocked that they weren't more recognizable.

Regardless, thanks for the heads-up, and I appreciate your comments.
 

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Anyone going for mba studies?

I'm kinda stuck in between strathclyde and manchester. Both are reputable schools. But, heard a lot of bad rep going on for strathclyde due to poor student support by ymca.

For the guys going through strathclyde via ymca, how is the quality of the support services by ymca? Would poorer or lack of good rep cos' strathclyde to lose credibility or standing in sg? A lot of my lecturers were strathclyde mba holders.

Manchester is a damn tempting one. But, pricy. Right now, the only turn offs are its 2.5 years and more cost. I was also thinking that in terms of ranking and quality, strath and manch not far apart. Only thing is strath rep is a bit affected by ymca, which I really wonder its really that severe.

Constructive replies pls. If anyone is going for mbs mba, drop me a pm. We could try for group discount, which really helps to offset the cost. :yawn:
 

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Both of the programs looks not bad. It seems that strathclyde has a longer contact hours compared to manchester. Are both of the programmes widely recognised by local employers?
 

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stern is a great school but in SG some of the best schools are not very well regarded ,in part due to the lack of HR folks with such knowledge and a gerenally lesser regard towards MBAs compared to US. For instance, Kelloggs, Tuck and even Sloan to name a few are virutally unknown to most here

That said, depending in what you want to do, the level of exposure the firm / industry has to MBAs will determine if you can get something back in SG.


Naturally, if you graduate from Ivies. You wont be entrusting your career search to any entry level recruiter right .
 

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Both of the programs looks not bad. It seems that strathclyde has a longer contact hours compared to manchester. Are both of the programmes widely recognised by local employers?

Strath is quite popular. A number of my lecturers in accounting are strath grads. But, I a bit worried about the transition from TES to YMCA.

MBS is like a safer bet. Lower risk and its directly administered by the uni itself. I am actually quite stuck in between. Strath is bang for buck. I dun mind doing MBS if the cost is lower.

Anyone applying for MBS? If keen, drop me pm so we can go for group discount. Deadline tmr. :( And, the form takes a while to fill up.....
 

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I had the exact same dilemma as you. But I finally choose Strathclyde because of the cost, duration and feedback from friends who were undertaking the course. Yes, YMCA is a pain, and everyone is worried about it, but I'm gonna put my faith on Strathclyde and hope they fix things with YMCA soon.
 

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Wha, this thread full of supports of manchester and strath MBA. Lancaster and birmingham are very good as well in my opinions.
 

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stern is a great school but in SG some of the best schools are not very well regarded ,in part due to the lack of HR folks with such knowledge and a gerenally lesser regard towards MBAs compared to US. For instance, Kelloggs, Tuck and even Sloan to name a few are virutally unknown to most here

That said, depending in what you want to do, the level of exposure the firm / industry has to MBAs will determine if you can get something back in SG.

SMU grad seeweiren finding is really interesting. if most Singaporean buy into that I have to agree on the fact that kelloggs, Tucks, Sloan is unknown here.
"I mean somehow if you have not notice, even in FT times MBA business school ranking, Nanyang Business School ranking is better than Berkeley Haas"
http://forum.brightsparks.com.sg/showthread.php?t=311&page=2
 

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Insead / Bradford?

INSEAD ?? It's renowned!

it's in Singapore so if companies' HR don't know, ask the CEO to fry their behinds!
it takes only a year! and brings you to France too!

If not, opt for Bradford? also has EQUIS,AACSB qualifications if I'm not wrong!

MBS is overrated leh!
 

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When quoting rankings, one must be aware of the methodology used by the rater. Different ranking exercises use different benchmarks. For example, in the late 80s, Times' Good University Guide uses student accommodation as one ranking criteria. Universities that offer more guaranteed student accommodation are given higher marks (in this criteria). This penalised city-based universities, where university lodgings for students are quite limited. Another criteria used was the amount of funding obtained by the university. This penalises liberal arts-based universities as compared to science-based universities, where funding amounts (for arts) tends to be lower.

At the end of the day, the qualification is just a qualification. How you utilise the qualification, how you sell yourself, and how you make use of the knowledge you gained would depend on you.
 

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INSEAD ?? It's renowned!

it's in Singapore so if companies' HR don't know, ask the CEO to fry their behinds!
it takes only a year! and brings you to France too!

If not, opt for Bradford? also has EQUIS,AACSB qualifications if I'm not wrong!

MBS is overrated leh!

I read the syllabus and coverage. 51k for 2.5 years, without exemptions. Calculate by per year. about 20.4k. Strath about 33k over 2 years, around 16.5k p.a.

The diff is substantial, yet not that great. By syllabus coverage, MBS feels very thorough. I rather pick either mbs or strath. Both are triple accredited and plus well known among local employers. And, in terms of ranking, not far from each other.

If you say mbs overrated, do elaborate more. I'm curious to know also. cos' right now still deciding hard. Bradford is definitely not in my consideration list. :)
 

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I had the exact same dilemma as you. But I finally choose Strathclyde because of the cost, duration and feedback from friends who were undertaking the course. Yes, YMCA is a pain, and everyone is worried about it, but I'm gonna put my faith on Strathclyde and hope they fix things with YMCA soon.

I spoke to susan from strathclyde before. She was very reassuring. I really doubt that strath will allow any bad rep to spiral out of proportion. At the same time, the april intake is really filling up fast, I heard. It will be hard to fathom why the places are filling up fast, if things are really so negative. :s13: I suppose there are many who believe in strath still. :)

Also want to give ymca benefit of doubt. Every school has their first time and first year at conducting a new programme/ class/ course.

And, we may be classmates soon. :s13: May just settle with strath.
 

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Hmm. I just feel tt since we all in Singapore, if want to do MBA, must really have the learning desire. Since the courses are all DL, and we dont get to exp the foreign land. So just go with one tt allows you to complete the fastest and most value for money, looking at the modules and instructor quality as criteria for comparison. Plus the facilities too..

Okay Insead and Bradford out.

Like everyone so on about MBS! Manchester! Manchester! "Live and Loaded = support Local! "
Can I ask why didnt consider local?
 

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Hi vesfreq,

Susan will be meeting students somewhere in Mar. I will share the feedback the others have about YMCA. Susan reassured me that she will take all feedback into consideration and will monitor quality and efficiency of the program.

Not too many MBA's have a focus on strategy, which is why I feel Strath is the right choice. I was also lucky enough to get the early bird discount when I applied in December, basically 1K off the total course fees:)

MBS is also well known, but then I sat down with a friend who was undertaking the Strath program and he convinced me that Strath is the way to go. He has recently graduated and received a job placement in Australia:)
 

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Very keen to do strath. Was giving more thought to mbs n strath. Felt like, MBS has a better edge cos' mbs mba is directly administered by the uni and the alumni quite strong I heard.

Still, strath is bang for buck without doubt. got some other things that made mbs a better choice. have u met up with the mbs local staff? talked with them before. After the talk with them, I'm a bit swayed towards mbs.
 
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