WiFi 7 routers (including WiFi 7 routers without 6GHz band support)

[phayze]

Yes, with IPsec and OpenVPN server/client support, but no Wireguard VPN server/client support. Same for EB810v and HB810. TP-Link Service Provider models do not support Wireguard VPN server/client as of now.
https://www.tp-link.com/sg/service-provider/wifi-router/hb710/#specifications
https://www.tp-link.com/sg/service-provider/wifi-router/eb810v/#specifications
https://www.tp-link.com/sg/service-provider/wifi-router/hb810/#specifications

VPN	PPTP, OpenVPN, IPSec

Is there option to disable CWMP on tplink HB710?

 

[xiaofan]

seems asus have better VPN support than tp-link

In general Asus router has more FW featurs than TP-Link.

On the other hand, many TP-Link Archer series Consumer Models (not service provider models) do have Wireguard VPN Server/Client support. Some Deco models like Deco BE85 also have Wireguard VPN Server/Client support but not reflected in the TP-Link website spec pag.

https://www.tp-link.com/sg/home-networking/wifi-router/archer-be800/#specifications
https://www.tp-link.com/sg/home-networking/wifi-router/archer-ge800/#specifications
https://www.tp-link.com/sg/home-networking/wifi-router/archer-be230/v1/#specifications
https://www.tp-link.com/sg/home-networking/wifi-router/archer-be550-pro/v1/#specifications

VPN Server	• OpenVPN Server • PPTP VPN Server • L2TP VPN Server • WireGuard VPN Server
VPN Client	• Open VPN Client • PPTP VPN Client • L2TP VPN Client • WireGuard VPN Client

 

[xiaofan]

Is there option to disable CWMP on tplink HB710?

Not possible as far as I know.

Avoid TP-Link Service Provider models if you are worried about remote management.

And there are more management options than just TR-069. I am not so sure how many remote management features are enabled by Starhub (EB810v/HB710) and Singtel (HB810).
https://www.tp-link.com/sg/service-provider/wifi-router/eb810v/#specifications
https://www.tp-link.com/sg/service-provider/wifi-router/hb810/#specifications
https://www.tp-link.com/sg/service-provider/wifi-router/hb710/#specifications

Management	Local management: WebGUI, Aginet app (for end users) Remote management: TR-069, TR-098, TR-181, TR-369, TR-111,TR-143 for service providers Aginet App for end users (need to log in wtih TP-Link ID and bind your device to it) Cloud management: TP-Link Aginet Unified Cloud (TAUC)

 

[phayze]

Not possible as far as I know.

Avoid TP-Link Service Provider models if you are worried about remote management.

And there are more management options than just TR-069. I am not so sure how many remote management features are enabled by Starhub (EB810v/HB710) and Singtel (HB810).
https://www.tp-link.com/sg/service-provider/wifi-router/eb810v/#specifications
https://www.tp-link.com/sg/service-provider/wifi-router/hb810/#specifications
https://www.tp-link.com/sg/service-provider/wifi-router/hb710/#specifications

Management	Local management: WebGUI, Aginet app (for end users) Remote management: TR-069, TR-098, TR-181, TR-369, TR-111,TR-143 for service providers Aginet App for end users (need to log in wtih TP-Link ID and bind your device to it) Cloud management: TP-Link Aginet Unified Cloud (TAUC)

I am considering buying this as it is the cheapest with 6Ghz, 10Gbps port for wan and lan.

 

[xiaofan]

I am considering buying this as it is the cheapest with 6Ghz, 10Gbps port for wan and lan.

I bought it because of the same reason. I am not that worried about TR-069 myself. In fact, I am not using HB710 with Starhub as of now, rather I am using it with my Singtel 5Gbps Fibre internet, behind my main OpenWRT virtual router. I use it in router mode for now -- just to check out the FW features. Later it will run in AP mode.

Take note it has less wireless coverage based on my testing. For example, wireless coverage of my Asus RT-AX86U is better than HB710. But then close range speed of HB710 is pretty good.

My test data of HB710 here (Page 7 and Page 8)
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/...-speedtest-and-wifi-7-adapters.7048233/page-7

BTW, there was a report in this forum that HB810 (Singtel) has the same HW as Deco BE85 and may support alternative 3rd-party OpenWRT based FW (not mainline OpenWRT). I do not know the details though. HB710 and EB810v may not have such support any time soon.

 

[Yongkit]

https://dongknows.com/asus-rt-be92u-be9700-wi-fi-7-router-review/

Asus RT-BE92U Preview

 

[xiangzeng]

thanks for the recommendations! definitely will consider. actually i came across this solution to convert the coaxial outlets into ethernet. not sure if mine is suitable. anyone here has any idea?

You still want to use this cable? I had taken off the entire thing since the start of fibre line installation. Assign it to the tech museum...

 

[tsammyc]

BTW, there was a report in this forum that HB810 (Singtel) has the same HW as Deco BE85 and may support alternative 3rd-party OpenWRT based FW (not mainline OpenWRT). I do not know the details though. HB710 and EB810v may not have such support any time soon.

The CPU for the HB710 - Qualcomm IPQ5322 - was developed by Qualcomm to use Openwrt according to the document below. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if the Aginet OS actually has Openwrt underneath it because
TP-Link might not want to start from scratch on a new CPU. However, actually installing vanilla Openwrt on a retail HB710 will definitely need some hacking through SSH

 

[blurblur123]

Not sure if anyone has this issue, my desktop can detect wifi 6 connection from eb810 but unable to connect it.
Can connect to 2.5g wifi though.

 

[xiaofan]

From M1 thread.

Looks like existing users can get TP-Link Archer BE805 at S$360 or a pair of Asus ZenWiFi BT10 at S$504 using PWP (superb price of BT10, each unit is only at S$252).
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/m1-fibre-broadband-discussion-part-2.5658375/page-687

IMHO these two are a bit better buy than Starhub's EB810v and HB710.

Starhub TP-Link EB810v at S$360. TP-Link Service provider model. Even though the HW spec is a bit better than Archer BE805.

Starhub TP-Link HB710 at S$192. TP-Link Service provider model. Asus ZenWiFi BT10 will have more FW features and better support from Asus.

I got it with PWP at $504.

Nice one. That is a very good price to pay for a pair of Asus ZenWiFi BT10.

Basically that is the same as what M1 mentioned for 3Gbps plan, S$22.09 listed with S$1.09 discount, or S$21 per month.

S$21 x 24 = S$504.

Ya, TP-Link Archer BE805 is $360, ($16.09 - $1.09) x 24 = $360

 

[Singrish]

Since Asus RT-BE88U only has one 10 gbps WAN/LAN port and one 10 gbps SPF+ port, if i intend to buy two sets and set up AI Mesh via wired backhaul i assume I would need two SPF+ to 10gbase-t transceivers right? One for each router’s SPF+ port. The BE88U in my bedroom would connect to my Mac Mini wired.

Besides TP-link TL-SM5310-T which Dong Knows recommends anyone used other models? Is it just a matter of plugging in or set up is required?

Still undecided but BT16 or BT10 would be the easiest to set up but obviously not the most “powerful”. Two BE98 would be the most tok kong but ridiculously expensive.

Since i have just a few wifi devices, dual band is actually fine for me just that sadly BE88U only has one 10G WAN/LAN port so I can’t do wired backhaul off the shelf hence now looking at SM5310.

But for my needs i think BE88U is the best compromise liao especially since two units and two SM5310 together costs $1,392 from Mediopro Technology on Shopee compared to BE98 which one set already $1,099.

 

[kookymonster]

Good or not may depend on your use case. As of now, if you want cheap, then go for ISP bundled WiFi 7 router with 6GHz band.

Probably nothing can beat the value of TP-Link HB710 at S$192. Some Starhub shops are reported to sell HB710 at S$192 without checking if the user is a Starhub customer or not. YMMV.

Cheapest if you are with Starhub --> TP-Link HB710 at S$192 (dual 10G ports, triband BE18000); EB810v at S$360 (dual 10G ports, three 2.5G ports, triband BE22000). Both are TP-Link service provider models with slower bug fix and a bit less features than TP-Link consumer models.

Amazon eero Max 7 --> VQ bundle, or Simba at S$399 (dual 10G ports, dual 2.5G ports, triband BE20800)

Archer BE805 --> M1/MR bundle (dual 10G ports, quad 1G ports, triband BE19000)

Asus ZenWiFi BT10 --> M1 bundle (dual 10G ports, one 1G port, triband BE18000)

If you do not go with ISP bundle, go for Carousell and search for above models.

I'm currently using 2 x TP Link Deco x20 for main router with 1 mesh (wired backhaul). Have switched to Simba 10Gbps recently and thought of upgrading to a WiFi 7 router with 1 mesh. What would you recommend if my budget is abt $200+? Is 2 x Ruijie Snow Leopard BE50 as main router and 1 mesh good? Or it's better for me to get 2 x TP Link HB710 (probably just get 1 set first and if need mesh then add on later, so can try and keep within budget)?

I suppose TP Link HB710 can also be used by Simba users without issues, just that I need to be able to get it either from Starhub store or on Carousell since it's sold exclusively to Starhub users?

 

[digipet]

Update on 28 Nov 2024:

1. ISP bundled 10G capable WiFi 7 routers
1) Singtel 5Gbps/10Gbps plan (using ZTE XGS-PON ONR) now offers TP-Link HB810 BE22000 WiFi 7 Router (TP-Link Service Provider model) with selected plans, making it the first ISP to bundle free WiFi 7 router. You can also get the 2nd unit at S$16.80 per month x 24 months.
https://www.singtel.com/personal/products-services/broadband/eform/wifi7

Note -- Singtel is using ZTE XGS-PON ONR and TP-Link HB810 is configured as an AP by default.

FW download link in case you are not using Singtel network:
https://www.singtel.com/personal/su...d-latest-firmware/TP-LINK-HB810-WIFI-7-Router


3. Take note that I do not recommend other ISP users to buy TP-Link EB810V, HB710 and HB810 WiFi 7 router from Carousell as the main router, due to the fact that they are service provider models which are more or less tied to the ISPs.

For point 3, do you mean that if I were to switch ISPs in future, I will not be able to use this Singtel 'TP-Link HB810 BE22000 WiFi 7 Router' with the new ISP other than Singtel?

 

[xiaofan]

For point 3, do you mean that if I were to switch ISPs in future, I will not be able to use this Singtel 'TP-Link HB810 BE22000 WiFi 7 Router' with the new ISP other than Singtel?

You can use it but I will not recommend.

The FW download is controlled by Singtel. The FW download link from TP-LInk points to Singtel website.
https://www.tp-link.com/sg/support/download/hb810/#Firmware
https://www.singtel.com/personal/su...d-latest-firmware/TP-LINK-HB810-WIFI-7-Router

 

[dreamchild72]

Hi, anyone know why Asus BE92u is cheaper than Asus BE86u even though BE92u is triband? Is it because BE92u has a slower cpu?

 

[xiaofan]

Hi, anyone know why Asus BE92u is cheaper than Asus BE86u even though BE92u is triband? Is it because BE92u has a slower cpu?

Much slower CPU.

I tend to say it is a different class of product.

Higher end --> ROG GT-BE98 and ZenWiFi BQ16 (quad-band)
Mid-high end --> RT-BE88U dual band, high end CPU
Mid-high end --> RT-BE86U dual band, high end CPU, lower end than RT-BE88U
Mid-end --> ZenWiFi BT10, triband, mid-end Broadcom BCM6755/6754 CPU
Mid-end --> RT-BE92U, mid-end Broadcom BCM6755/6754 CPU, lower end than BT10
Mid-end --> TUF-BE6500, dual band, mid-end Qualcomm IPQ5322 CPU
Low-mid end --> RT-BE58U, dual band, mid-end Broadcom BCM6755/6754 CPU

 

[digipet]

You can use it but I will not recommend.

The FW download is controlled by Singtel. The FW download link from TP-LInk points to Singtel website.
https://www.tp-link.com/sg/support/download/hb810/#Firmware
https://www.singtel.com/personal/su...d-latest-firmware/TP-LINK-HB810-WIFI-7-Router

This kinda obscure linkage information you also can find
How/Where can i check whether the other Singtel plan's issued 'ASUS RT-AX86U WiFi 6 gaming router' also has its FW controlled by Singtel?

For my learning, what's the implication of having FW controlled by ISP when you one day decide to switch ISPs? since other ISPS also doing this with their own model of routers

If a random customer goes to buy this router from retailer, wouldn't they also be subjected to the Singtel FW control since all SG TP-Link HB810 has to use this FW or else risk warranty void. Does the retailer version uses the generic firmware which cannot be used to overwrite this in the event of an ISP switch?

 

[xiaofan]

This kinda obscure linkage information you also can find
How/Where can i check whether the other Singtel plan's issued 'ASUS RT-AX86U WiFi 6 gaming router' also has its FW controlled by Singtel?

For my learning, what's the implication of having FW controlled by ISP when you one day decide to switch ISPs? since other ISPS also doing this with their own model of routers

If a random customer goes to buy this router from retailer, wouldn't they also be subjected to the Singtel FW control since all SG TP-Link HB810 has to use this FW or else risk warranty void. Does the retailer version uses the generic firmware which cannot be used to overwrite this in the event of an ISP switch?

RT-AX86U is a consumer Asus router, not controlled by Singtel.

TP-Link Service Provoder models are not available from retailers like Chellenger/Courts/etc, they are only available from ISPs, unless you buy from Carousell.

TP-Link Singapore service provider models: you can use them for other ISPs but not recommended since the FW is mainly controlled by the ISP. That being said, it is reported people outside of Starhub are able to get FW updates for EB810v and HB710.
https://www.tp-link.com/sg/service-provider/wifi-router/

Singtel customized WiFi 6 routers or mesh nodes (1Gbps capable only): totally cannot be used by other ISPs' ONT as main router. All of them are lousy.
https://www.singtel.com/personal/support/broadband/routers-ont

• Wi-Fi 6 Mesh Extender (WE620242-ST), not a router, AP or mesh node only
• Wi-Fi 6 Mesh AP5690W, not a router, AP or mesh node only
• Wi-Fi 6 Router RT5703W, router but not working with other ISPs' ONT because of built-in Singtel VLAN.
• Wi-Fi 6 Router (WG660242-ST), router but not working with other ISPs' ONT because of built-in Singtel VLAN.

 

[digipet]

RT-AX86U is a consumer Asus router, not controlled by Singtel.

TP-Link Service Provoder models are not available from retailers like Chellenger/Courts/etc, they are only available from ISPs, unless you buy from Carousell.

TP-Link Singapore service provider models: you can use them for other ISPs but not recommended since the FW is mainly controlled by the ISP. That being said, it is reported people outside of Starhub are able to get FW updates for EB810v and HB710.
https://www.tp-link.com/sg/service-provider/wifi-router/

Singtel customized WiFi 6 routers or mesh nodes (1Gbps capable only): totally cannot be used by other ISPs' ONT as main router. All of them are lousy.
https://www.singtel.com/personal/support/broadband/routers-ont

• Wi-Fi 6 Mesh Extender (WE620242-ST), not a router, AP or mesh node only
• Wi-Fi 6 Mesh AP5690W, not a router, AP or mesh node only
• Wi-Fi 6 Router RT5703W, router but not working with other ISPs' ONT because of built-in Singtel VLAN.
• Wi-Fi 6 Router (WG660242-ST), router but not working with other ISPs' ONT because of built-in Singtel VLAN.

Thank you for the sharing, I didn't even know ISP controlled routers FW and sales which are third party brand e.g. TP-Link

 

[Skypower]

i think its best to buy router from outside stores where only-you can have full control!