Will double FRS be enough?

DevilPlate

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Inflation after retirement is indeed real. Even now we are experiencing inflation. But with retirement, there will less expenses, safe for medical expenses.

What is inflation?

I just bought Colgate Triple Action 200g. One shop selling $2.80 and another one opposite selling $1.90 and a shop in another place selling $1.50.

Downstairs my flat, I drink kopi-o $1.40 (air-con). If I go to a normal coffee shop, most charge $1.20 and if I want cheaper, I cycled about 1.5km away I can get kopi-o at 50c (air-con) or 60c if I go to a certain food centre in Kallang.
Sounds like a FT retiree :)

Invest in a thermo flask and bring our own hot beverage or carry our own water bottle out which I always do.

Plain water is free and most importantly healthier and helps me to cut down unnecessary sugar/caffeine intake.
 

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Sounds like a FT retiree :)

Invest in a thermo flask and bring our own hot beverage or carry our own water bottle out which I always do.

Plain water is free and most importantly healthier and helps me to cut down unnecessary sugar/caffeine intake.
Yes, plain water is best for health. I also carry a bottle of water from home when I go Jalan Jalan. Best of all it’s almost free. Haha.
 

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actually you missed a very important point in whacking escalating. notice that the payout is 20% down from standard. and the payout is increased by 2%. it will maybe 9 years for the escalating to catch up in terms of payout. by that time you are about 75. should you feel happy? no. this is bacause that tough the payour has caught up, standard gave a higher payout for the past 9 year.s. including interest, you would take many more years to catch up with the real amount. this is how the 90 years you have mentioned is derived.

yes the 2% help ease the pain of inflation. but the greatly reduced initial payout makes the pain very terrible
Eeeks, not happy to get lesser payouts, interests for others also not happy, how? Just follow what the CPF can do for you lor, OA max all into housing (can 2nd time BTO whether up or down-grade). RA all out into maximum self payouts. Some folks do not have bequests to think about, if got interests given to ‘pool’, think of it as donation but you never know could be for long life women who are ill but just cannot die. If got bequests like ‘special needs’ dependents or so much younger spouse, choose BASIC lor. If critical ill, can actually take out all the cpf with the doctor’s memo to cpfb under ‘withdrawal due to medical reasons’
 

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If a female aged ~ 79 and has about $250k in RA switches to CPF Life , how much are the payouts?
 

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If a female aged ~ 79 and has about $250k in RA switches to CPF Life , how much are the payouts?
Go use CPF Life estimator. You will be surprised to note the big difference. Note deadline to switch to CPFL
 

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Go use CPF Life estimator. You will be surprised to note the big difference. Note deadline to switch to CPFL
So miserable payout. Especially considering that it will only be for a few years, or about a dozen years if long life.
What happens to the balance when the member passes on ?
Standard plan.
 

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Deadline is 80, right ?
The CPF LIFE enrollment deadline is age 79 years 11 months. The CPF Board needs at least one full month before the member’s 80th birthday.
So miserable payout. Especially considering that it will only be for a few years, or about a dozen years if long life.
What happens to the balance when the member passes on ?
Standard plan.
The CPF LIFE Standard Plan guarantees a minimum payout to the member and her CPF nominee(s) of at least the principal. It also guarantees monthly payouts for life, however long that lasts.
 

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So miserable payout. Especially considering that it will only be for a few years, or about a dozen years if long life.
What happens to the balance when the member passes on ?
Standard plan.
At her age of 79 with 250k, there is hardly any need to join CPFL unless she can live beyond 100. In fact, it looks like she has not commenced drawdown and can continue to do so to let her RA keep growing :D Growing for what :ROFLMAO:
 

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I don't think that's a given, Henry. It's entirely possible in these and similar circumstances that the only form of financial risk (and associated lifestyle risk) not currently adequately mitigated is longevity risk.
 

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So miserable payout. Especially considering that it will only be for a few years, or about a dozen years if long life.
What happens to the balance when the member passes on ?
Standard plan.
it does not matter what plan you are on. the nok will get the balance of the cpf when you die. wat matters is how fast the balance depletes
 

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I don't think that's a given, Henry. It's entirely possible in these and similar circumstances that the only form of financial risk (and associated lifestyle risk) not currently adequately mitigated is longevity risk.
She is better off than those with CPFL starting payout at 65 now. She is now 79 and has 250k and the amount is growing as she has not started drawdown, longevity risk is also non-existence. It seems to me, her RA is more for bequest than payout for the time being. If she decided to start drawdown down the road, the amount is more than enough for her to keep redepositing into RA for longevity if that is a real concern by 90 years old and expecting to live well beyond 100 years.
 

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If a female aged ~ 79 and has about $250k in RA switches to CPF Life , how much are the payouts?
Sounds like Lorna Tan's father, she used her dad's RA as an investment under RSS, no need to drawdown cos he is well supported by other finances, topup more and let it grow. But now, with rising interest rates, is it worth to continue to topup? Would it be better to drawdown and reinvest at a higher than 4% rate?

How many are so lucky to have a risk free investment account earning more than 4% for first 60k and 4% compounded for the rest? Why do you want to "pay insurance fee" with CPF Life?
 

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We don’t know any of this! If (for example) her $250K RA balance is almost or actually her sole remaining pool of wealth (and income) then she likely has significant longevity risk. Or perhaps she wants to give away most or all of her other assets (to whomever she wants), now, instead of hoarding those assets. Thus she wants to reduce or eliminate longevity risk so she can afford to be more generous now.
 
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