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I am officially abstaining fr alcohol...for now. Here are the last few bottles I had:

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Burgundy (intense and warm cherry flavors)...and Thai wine (muted at first but opens up to a balanced finish...we were surprised!)

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Thumbs up for the torbreck...reminds me of good Rhone wines. Earthy, spicy..but still exceptionally smooth. Things of interest...Swiss merlot and South African Port.

Retired.
 

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Spanish Wine Session!

Great opportunity to find out more about Spanish wines and meet fellow wine enthusiasts, regardless of experience. Not many of us drink Spanish wines but they are incredibly delicious in a wide range of styles; traditional, modern and everything in-between.

The only issue in Singapore is that you get a range of really good to average Spanish producers so choose wisely or double check with cellartracker.

Proposed date: End June - how does 28th June sound? Dinner
Location: TBC - Spanish wines will go well with pretty much anything. We can go to a place with Peking Duck. Don't worry the cost split will not be high.

Theme: Spanish Wines (sparkling, rose, red, white, dessert, fortified)

You can get Spanish wines from a variety of retailers:
- Crystal Wines
- 1855 Bottle Shop
- Wine Culture
- Cellarmaster (drop them an email)
- The Wine Gallery
 

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Well here's my $0.02

I thought this was a sloppy article that sort of updates without covering any new ground. One is likely to learn more about corkage situations by trawling this thread!

Regading corkage for opportunity cost, deterrence (WTF) to diners BYOBing etc., restaurants exist to turn food and drink into profit and in our high rental, shortage of service staff business environment, I think I can accept that beverages and alcohol can be big contributors to profit margins. Just like it's always been with the coffeeshops.
Bigger than 200% markup - check!
No outside drinks allowed - check!
No value add other than providing ice and drinking vessels - check!

Having said that, the days in which restaurants can charge a hefty markup on a no-mark house wine are gone. Diners may be willing to spend on a night out these days, but they're certainly not wine ignoramuses anymore. There's a better sense of what wine is good or bad, and what wine costs $15 a glass and what wine costs $25 a glass, thanks to extensive wine and dine experiences overseas, coverage of wine in the media as well as open forums such as this.

The success of places such as Imperial Treasure, Jumbo, Jade Palace, New Ubin Seafood also proves that BYOB can actually be a policy to attract diners rather than the short-sighted 'drink our wine, or don't drink at all' scheme some places seem to prefer. The number of wine-loving clientele with personal collections is definitely growing and to me this seems a market well worth pursuing. Rather than trying to be yet another hip Wine Bistro or Tapas Bar that ironically, every Tom, Dick and Harry is doing.

Of course it will be good if some Western restaurants can follow suit, but from the business perspective, it will take something quite creative and revolutionary. I think the way the money men look at it, they'll tabulate the cost of the wine collection, the stemware, the wine fridges, the training of sommeliers etc and think, I must mark-up at least 2x or 3x to earn back. But maybe one day we can see a Western restaurant with a basic but respectable wine list, but happy to BYOB and leverage on customers ordering other drinks, or more food, or reward them with return visits!?

It all depends on how much thought goes into these policy decisions by the restaurant, which regrettably, is too little at the moment. I am actually fine with places like Gaia Ristorante at Goodwood (mentioned earlier in the thread) who have quite a low mark-up on their wines, but have a one-for-one policy. I can bring my own wines and at the same time, choose from their impressive range, and be able to reward their efforts in pursuing a wine-friendly approach.

Here are some other BYOB places I've patronised before, not mentioned in the article:

Gattorpardo - BYOB Tue
Keystone - BYOB Mon & Tue, 1 bottle per 2 pax
Otto Ristorante - BYOB first 3 bottles, Mon-Wed
La Barca - Wed, no limit
Some Prive Group restaurants, eg. Roadhouse, University Club
Ola Cucina del Mar - BYOB first 3 bottles
*Please call to verify policy as you make your reservation - These policies can change from time to time.

Profitability is the magic word here.

My understanding of corkage is supposed to be the additional charges the resturant charges you to provide you the wine service which includes, stemware, pouring, decanting and any additional services that may come from a wine session/dinner.

Corkage shouldn't be charging you for opportunity cost of not ordering their wines. Isn't already what the 200%- 400% margins are for on each of these bottles? Why are they cashing in on a sunk cost?

The irony is that restaurants with high corkages don't even provide a good wine service. glasses or average, service is average, and all the additional stuff like decanters, wine labelling for tastings and basic pouring and portioning are lacking. Then what am I paying for?

The other issue is that many (not all) restaurants don't have a properly curated wine list and just chuck wines that are common everywhere, even in supermarkets. If I know a Kim Crawford Sauvignon Blanc will cost me close to $40 in Cold Storage (and that's already including retailer margins), why on EARTH would I buy a bottle in a restaurant costing $100? If I buy it for $40 and $30 for corkage, it's still cheaper.

The restaurant's reaction? "Let's charge $100 in corkage so that people MUST buy our wines". Corkage then just becomes a preventive pricing mechanism for profiteering that deviates from the original idea of corkage.

I don't mind a restaurant to have a costly wine list if I know that there are wines I can't get outside or back vintages that are difficult to find.

Perhaps we should ask how some of these BYOB places deal with 'no corkages'. are they losing out?



or is this just because the dining community itself in SG is not knowledgeable enough about wine yet that it's only the wine enthusiasts that are making a small racket. in a country with the highest density of millionaire, maybe it just doesn't matter because the fat cats will always pay top dollar for what they perceive as the best stuff. And if that makes the margins then who cares about those who are a few rungs lower.


this was a totally different experience in UK, granted they've had centuries of wine culture and a vibrant wine scene due to it being the centre of the wine trade for centuries in europe and the world. wine lists are properly curated, by the glass lists contain delicious and unique wines of exceptional value. The result? You will feel like buying more wine and food to enjoy. and that should more than make up for the 'opportunity cost'.


or are we just going to blame rental and manpower costs again?

Rant over...
 

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I am officially abstaining fr alcohol...for now. Here are the last few bottles I had:

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Burgundy (intense and warm cherry flavors)...and Thai wine (muted at first but opens up to a balanced finish...we were surprised!)

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Thumbs up for the torbreck...reminds me of good Rhone wines. Earthy, spicy..but still exceptionally smooth. Things of interest...Swiss merlot and South African Port.

Retired.

before you retire, where did you get the thai wine? lol..

and don't retire please
 

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Spanish Wine Session!

Great opportunity to find out more about Spanish wines and meet fellow wine enthusiasts, regardless of experience. Not many of us drink Spanish wines but they are incredibly delicious in a wide range of styles; traditional, modern and everything in-between.

The only issue in Singapore is that you get a range of really good to average Spanish producers so choose wisely or double check with cellartracker.

Proposed date: End June - how does 28th June sound? Dinner
Location: TBC - Spanish wines will go well with pretty much anything. We can go to a place with Peking Duck. Don't worry the cost split will not be high.

Theme: Spanish Wines (sparkling, rose, red, white, dessert, fortified)

You can get Spanish wines from a variety of retailers:
- Crystal Wines
- 1855 Bottle Shop
- Wine Culture
- Cellarmaster (drop them an email)
- The Wine Gallery

Yeah! And since we're on the topic of charging for corkage vs free byob, let's go to a place that serves excellent food and doesn't impose hefty charges to cover 'opportunity costs'..

Personally, i am all for supporting places that allow you to bring your own wines to pair with their cooking.. It's like the restaurant telling you: we trust you know which wines to bring to match the quality of our food and cooking..
 

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Any recommendations for a nice bottle of montepulciano d'abruzzo or any other italian reds? Hoping to bring one for a dinner tomorrow.

Guess it is a tard too late for me to chance upon this wine forum.
Am a great fan of montepulciano d'abruzzo, after having the opportunity to spend a few trips in abruzzo region due to work commitment, and frequent drinking sessions with italian colleagues there.

My take:
1) Pasetti montepulciano d'abruzzo Testarossa
~my personal favourite, you can get it around 20-25 Euro from Rome (need search ard) or abruzzo region. Stocked up a few for personal drinking needs.
2) Masciarelli Montepulciano D'Abruzzo Marina Cvetic
~equally good, another recommended label by my italian colleague, you can get it around 20-25 Euro from Rome(need search ard) or abruzzo region

and the king of all..
3) Masciarelli Montepulciano D'Abruzzo Villa Gemma
~King of all..... Heard a lot about it, and having one bottle reserved here for special occassion.
It is around 40-50 Euro from Rome (Definitely can get from rome airport), or abruzzo region.
 

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attending a wine dinner tonight at the Bacchanalia restaurant. featuring some top NZ pinot noirs produced by a japanese wine maker! his wines sell out every year as the allocations are all snapped up by the domestic market and only exports to NZ, Japan and a distributor in SG (artisan cellars).

SATO Wines. Will snap some pics and report either tonight or tomorrow!

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SATO WINES and YOSHIAKI SATO

SATO WINES was established by Yoshiaki Sato (pictured, right), and his wife Kyoko Sato, as a small project in 2009. Starting with 190 cases of Pinot Noir from the excellent 2009 vintage, Sato Wines has since moved on to produce small quantities of Pinot Gris and Riesling. Having grown the capacity recently, the annual production of this super-artisanal operation remains a scant 550 cases (or 6,600 bottles) in total annually. Every bottle still is and will continue to be lovingly handcrafted.

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Convinced and impassioned by true wines of terroir, Yoshiaki left his banking profession and cut his teeth at Huber (Baden, Germany), Domaine Matassa (Roussillon), Domaine Bizot (Vosne-Romanée, Burgundy) and Jean-Pierre Frick (Alsace) amongst others, while Kyoko worked with Philippe Pacalet (Beaune, Burgundy), Julien Guillot (Macon) and Cristian Binner (Alsace) before the couple moved to New Zealand and make their own wines. In New Zealand, Sato has worked in Felton Road and Mount Edwards wineries, both situated in Central Otago, to further his experience before eventually discovering his vineyards.

Having worked with such remarkable wine personalities, it is little wonder that Sato aspires to work only and fully in a "natural" way — essentially meaning organic/biodynamic viticulture and non-interventionist cellar practices — in order to preserve and fully express terroir nuances. "Our goal is to make wines which can heal people; soft, delicate, supple, smooth mouth filling wines rather than powerful, heavily structured, aggressively appealing wines," says Yoshiaki as he explains his philosophy.

Sato wines are particularly original in that it was decidedly individualistic. In a region where good and clean Pinot Noirs are norm, the delicate earthy pungency of Yoshi’s Central Otago wines is particularly refreshing. Fermented whole-bunch by way of indigenous yeasts, Sato Pinot Noirs are structured yet express the ampleness of dark fruit tones of the region. It is distinctively savoury, almost saline in fact, in its sneaky finish. This is something you can’t say for an overwhelming majority of Central Otago Pinot Noirs, not even from some of the "celebrity" addresses in the region. Terroir character is preserved across all of Sato's wines, the vineyards from which he picks with extreme care in order to establish the nobility of each varietal he works with.

Sato’s wines are bottled with extremely low levels of sulphur added, a risky cellar practice that mandates perfect organically ripened fruits and which proves very high winemaking standards. With Sato, one will encounter exacting artisanal natural wines par excellence redolent of soil expression, the kinds which rewrite Central Otago's potentials as a serious contender of top quality fine wines.

Sato wholly exports their wines to Japan, Australia and, for the past year and a half, Singapore. His winery's production is sold out before each vintage is officially released, underscoring how fanatical his customers are. His is the accidental "cult" wine which takes us back to the purest meaning of the term: extremely high in quality, distinctly original and with a dedicated following much larger than what the winery can produce, making it impossible to get easily.


BACCHANALIA RESTAURANT

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The enthralling prospect of dining with these special wines has inspired us to work with a trendy new restaurant, whose delivery of high-quality, inventive yet sensitive gastronomy and genuinely passionate service energizes guests in a dynamic but convivial setting.

"Fantastic food" and "progressive atmosphere", to quote founder Raj Datwani, pretty much sum up the experience one can expect at BACCHANALIA, the remarkable setting of this special vintner event located in the historical and enigmatic Masonic Hall along Coleman Street, Singapore.

Executive Head Chef Ivan Brehm is dedicated and passionate towards his craft. The dishes at Bacchanalia are infused with influences from across the world as well as his dynamic personality. “It is food one can recognize without having necessarily seen it before. The direction is towards simplicity and transparency of flavours, and a need to remove the fanfare and overworked elements. I take pride in our raw materials, employ techniques that help showcase them, and try not to complicate their delivery. Flavour takes precedence over technique or artifice, and interesting flavour combinations dictate the direction of the menu,” quips Chef Ivan.
 

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before you retire, where did you get the thai wine? lol..

and don't retire please

I bought it when I came across the chateau in Loei Province. They have a wine shop in Bkk selling it as well. Here's the address:

7/4 Soi Soonvijai, New Petchburi Rd, Bangkok
 

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Guess it is a tard too late for me to chance upon this wine forum.
Am a great fan of montepulciano d'abruzzo, after having the opportunity to spend a few trips in abruzzo region due to work commitment, and frequent drinking sessions with italian colleagues there.
[...]

Montepulciano d'Abruzzo are great wines indeed, although my personal favourites are Primitivo di Manduria from Puglia, especially the two below:

1. Primitivo di Manduria Sessantanni
2. Papale Primitivo di Manduria Varvaglione Linea ORO

Both can be bought in Europe at approximately EUR 25 per bottle.
Does someone know where can I get the best range of italian wines in Singapore?
 

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Nice to see some fans of Southern Italian wines!
Too bad our market seems skewed towards the better known areas of Northern and Central Italy, like Piemonte, Veneto and by far the most popular, Toscana, with their Sangiovese and Bordelais varieties.

Even exotic regions like Sicilia, Sardegna, Alto Adige and Campania get a better representation here than stuff like Primitivo di Manduria and serious Montepulciano d'Abruzzo.

I recently had a Montepulciano di Abruzzo Riserva, Cagiolo by Cantina Tollo, Really dense and inky wine with nice black cherry flavours, but with elegance and an excellent finish. Also had two Sangiovese di Romagna - East of Bologna - bottlings: Fattoria Zerbina's Pietramora and Tre Monti's Thea. Very good sangiovese with a great elegance and fruit, compared to some of the overdone Tuscan styles.

Another thing that may interest fans of Abruzzo wines, I recently encountered the wines of Castorani, a winery started by former F1 driver Jarno Trulli, to continue his family's winemaking tradition. Interestingly, they engaged some of the Toyota engineers to develop an appassimento room for making an Amarone-styled Montepulciano d'Abruzzo. Cool stuff!

As far as merchants go, I think there are only two operators here with a good breadth of Italian selections - Water & Wine and InterVino. Too bad their main business isn't exactly the Singapore market so they don't really have retail entities. You've got to hunt them down though, they're both in the East. You can find Water & Wine on facebook and Intervino via email (their site is a bit outdated Experience the Taste of Italy)

Funny thing is when I attend some wine exhibitions I see many Italian wine distributors in Singapore, with excellent producers I didn't even know were available here. When I ask why I don't see more of them I'm told they serve private clients and restaurants only. Maybe that's the level of local interest in Italian wine, which admittedly can be confusing to navigate.

Btw I think the Masciarelli wines are carried by Water & Wine though I've not seen them in shops.
 
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Spanish Wine Session!



Proposed date: End June - how does 28th June sound? Dinner
Location: TBC - Spanish wines will go well with pretty much anything. We can go to a place with Peking Duck. Don't worry the cost split will not be high.

Theme: Spanish Wines (sparkling, rose, red, white, dessert, fortified)

28 June Friday dinner is good for me. +1.
 

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still open to anyone interested in finding out more about spanish wines!
 

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Let's dicide the venue for Spanish wines session as it is only 2 weeks away!

that's right. any other suggestions other than Imperial Treasure Super Peking Duck at Paragon?

other options include a BBQ at someone's place
any other restaurants? anywhere else meaty?

you guys should grab the latest edition of decanter as there as a featured article on Rioja, overview, producers and vintages.

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