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Loire Valley Lockdown!

I have long wanted to talk about this region where you can get quality sparkling, whites, reds and dessert wines that don’t cost a lot of money and, if you find the right producers, make world class wines.

That region is the LOIRE (loo-wah) VALLEY

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Loire is also famous for it's castles

Wine enthusiasts and wine geeks have long looked to the Loire Valley for really good wines that don’t break the bank and age well. It’s a shame that it’s not as well known because it meet’s the local consumers’ needs of delicious tasty wines that are not too expensive

The wines are not too common in Singapore but in recent years they are popping up here and there; plus there is a key importer and distributor that really brought in a lot of the top wine producers in the Loire. But let’s start with the basics.


WHERE IS THE LOIRE VALLEY?
The Loire Valley is located in the middle of France. South of Paris and North of Bordeaux. Aside from the vineyards it is noted for its abundance of fresh produce and game; making it an amazing place to visit if you love food and wine. This is essentially where 'rillettes' were first made

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The Loire Valley sits in the heart of France

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Lots of old school cured meats!

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Classic pork rillettes

The Loire Valley is broken up to a number of sub-regions that are too many to go into as you can see from the maps below. Each with their own style and climate, producing a different type of wine even if they may use similar grapes.

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Click to expand to see the sub regions


WHAT ARE THE GRAPES USED IN LOIRE WINES?
Red wines are mainly made from CABERNET FRANC

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Cabernet Franc grapes

White (sparkling, still & dessert) wine can be made from CHENIN BLANC, SAUVIGNON BLANC, MELON DE BOURGOGNE


There are a couple of other grapes used in Loire Valley wines but majority of the wines are made from the grapes above.



WHAT ARE ALL THESE GRAPES? I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF THEM BEFORE EXCEPT SAUVIGNON BLANC!
That’s because it’s not as well marketed and many consumers may be unfamiliar with the labels despite having some Loire wines making their way into Cold Storage

Cabernet Franc: This is also one of the permitted grapes grown in Bordeaux and are typically part of the red Bordeaux wine blend. In Bordeaux wines it’s is usually makes up a small proportion of the blend; however one of the top Bordeaux wines (Chateau Cheval Blanc) uses Cabernet Franc to a large extent.

Cabernet Franc is known for it’s herbaceous leafy notes and bright red fruits and when done right, it produces marvellous wines that have balance, finesse and elegance that’s a bit lighter than their Cabernet Sauvignon counterparts.

FUN FACT: Did you know that Cabernet Sauvignon is the unintended chance cross-breeding of Cabernet Franc (red) and Sauvignon Blanc (white) vines?


Sauvignon Blanc (white): Although New Zealand may have popularized Sauvignon Blanc, it’s the Loire that’s the true home of the Sauvignon Blanc vine. Loire style of Sauvignon Blanc tends to be less explosive in grassiness and tropical fruit flavour that you tend to get in NZ style Sauvignon Blancs.

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Sauvignon Blanc grapes

The Loire Sauvignon Blanc usually comes with more mineral notes due to the chalky soils with more complexities and richness. Some limestone rich sub-regions even give it a smoky flinty flavour! Personally I prefer the Loire Sauvignon Blancs due to its overall greater complexities and depth of flavours. It’s less flashy but more complex.


Chenin Blanc (aka Pineau de la Loire): You don’t see much of Chenin as its a Loire native that did find some popularity in South Africa. It is most famously used to make long lived dessert wines and crazily delicious sparkling wines in specific Loire regions. I would urge all of you to seek out these wines.


SO MANY SUB REGIONS & GRAPE VARIETIES! HOW TO CHOOSE?

*See the bottom of the article on how to read a Loire Valley label*

Here’s a breakdown of the key regions so that you don’t get too confused and you can make more informed decisions.

Sancerre (white/red): Famous for Sauvignon Blanc white wines. They make reds too from Pinot Noir!


Pouilly Fume (white): The other Loire region famous for Sauvignon Blanc whites. This is the one with the smoky flinty aromas & flavours!

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A bottle of Pouilly Fume wine

Vouvray (white): Chenin Blanc reigns supreme here and made in a variety of style from sparkling to still to dessert style wines. One of my favourite Loire regions!


Muscadet (white): Not made from Moscato grapes, the wines from the REGION of Muscadet is made from the grape: Melon de Bourgogne. It is most famously known for being one of the perfect pairings for seafood. I have brought several bottling to Chinese seafood restaurants to enjoy it with fish and even freshly steamed prawns. It brings out the natural sweetness of the prawns! The best part is that Muscadet wines are inexpensive in general.


Anjou (white/red): This region makes a wide variety of wines but most famous for the sub-sub region of Savennières; again made from Chenin Blancs, but in a very different style than those in Vouvray. They are dry, full bodied wines with good acidity that age well

Within Anjou the sub-sub region of Coteaux du Layon makes very good sweet dessert wines that can last a long time and are highly favoured among wine enthusiasts. Also made from Chenin Blanc!


The reigons of St-Nicolas-de-Bourgueil and Chinon produce the majority of the red wines in the Loire Valley. Made from Cabernet Franc grapes they are easily the best expression of Cabernet Franc grapes. Drawing a delicious balance between the raspberry notes and leafy green undertones, these are understated wines that unreveal an unexpected complexity about them. Serve them chilled and let them air!
 

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OK YOU CONVINCED ME. WHERE DO I BUY LOIRE WINES?

Cold Storage: They have started bringing in a couple of Loire Wines under the label: Loire Connection. These are entry level Loire wines that cover a number of the key regions mentioned and are a great starting point.

1855 Bottle Shop (all branches) & ENOTECA (taka B1): they carry a couple of bottles of white wines from the regions of Sancerre and Pouilly Fume; both made with Sauvignon Blanc grapes. Bring these to match your friend’s New Zealand Sauvignon Blanc and see how they fare. They would need to be chilled and breathed sufficiently to fully express themselves.

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1855 Bottle Shop: 1855 The Bottle Shop


KOT Selections: I have saved the best for last. For years I have been searching a Loire importer and distributor and once these guys appeared 2-3 years back, it was a god-send! They are crazy passionate about the Loire and have established strong relationships with the producers in the Loire. One of the top Loire producers (Domaine Huet in Vouvray) approached this young company to represent their wines in Singapore!

I have met the owners and their passion and knowledge into wines and specifically in the Loire is something I have not seen before in Singapore!
I have linked their latest order sheet PDF so do email and contact them.
Link up to their Facebook as they run monthly events at their office/wine bar in Neil Road.

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Pouring our chenin blanc wines for the night

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Pouring our chenin blanc wines for the night

The most recent one was a Chenin & Pork tasting which showcased some of their top producers who make Chenin Blanc. The price was very fair at $30/$50 for 6/10 tasting portions of really good Chenin Blanc wines that have been well curated for good representation!

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The menu & list for the recent session on Friday (29/8)

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CLICK TO EXPAND. Great tasting menu. The prices for the bottles are really very affordable considering the quality that they curate!

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Check out their next event in Sept! A Sancere session of both their reds & whites!

Catch them at the Epicurean Market this year as well at MBS! They were there last year. It's a great way for you to sample their wines.



PDF Pricelist & Contact: Don't be intimidated by the pricelist. It contains lots of useful information. Or you can email them with your queries and request for a recommendation; they will be glad to help!
http://www.kotselections.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Catalogue-Private-Clients-Summer-2014.pdf

URL: France | KOT Selections

Facebook for Event Updates: https://www.facebook.com/KOT.Selections








SPECIAL BONUS: How to Read a Loire Wine Label

I have given 2 examples, a sweet wine and a dry white wine


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Producer Name: Domaine Huet

Region: Vouvray

Year of Harvest: 2007

Vineyard Name (higher end wines specific the plot name): Clos du Bourg

Style of Wine (dry, semi dry, sweet): Sec = Dry, Demi Sec = Half Dry, Moelleux = Sweet

Grapes Used: It's not specifically mentioned but all white wines from Vouvray are made from Chenin Blanc



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Producer Name: Chateau Salmoniere

Region: Muscadet Sevre & Maine (that's the full name of the Muscadet Region)

Year of Harvest: Not mentioned, probably somewhere else on the bottle

Vineyard Name: Not mentioned

Grapes Used: It's not specifically mentioned but all white wines from Muscadet are made from Melon de Bourgogne grape

Other information:
- <Vieilles Vignes> at the top of the label means 'Old Vines'. Generally producing a more concentrated and richer wine.

- <Sur Lie> is unique to Muscadet which means that the wines were 'resting on lees' (not Familee) while fermenting. Less are the dead or residual yeast from winemaking. By resting on lees it gives the wine a richer mouthfeel and weight.​




I hope this 2 part post on LOIRE VALLEY has incited your interest in their amazing wines! Let me know if you've had a Loire Valley Wine before!
 

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Sorry to hijiack this thread, needed a quick check for reference.

Looking for cheap sweet red wine between $12-$15 bucks per bottle. Looking at 15-20 bottle. For company chalet and buffet consumption hence budget is a bit tight.

Any lobang or shopping center that i can purchase? Which brand should i get?

Thanks.
 

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at that kind of pricing you will really get the bottom of the barrel.

u can check out those suppliers that do wedding wines like WINE BOS or CORNERSTONE WINE.
 

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Sorry to hijiack this thread, needed a quick check for reference.

Looking for cheap sweet red wine between $12-$15 bucks per bottle. Looking at 15-20 bottle. For company chalet and buffet consumption hence budget is a bit tight.

Any lobang or shopping center that i can purchase? Which brand should i get?

Thanks.

if you can stretch your budget, Luigi's Wine clearing their 2012 vintage moscato at $27.
 

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if you can stretch your budget, Luigi's Wine clearing their 2012 vintage moscato at $27.

Generally, should we be concerned about the lifespan of the wine purchased from wholesalers who are clearing their stock?
 

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not really, especially if they are the importers themselves who represent the winery.

i have bought clearance items and bin ends from many an importer who has odd bottles around instead of whole cases that they sell to the trade.

it would be silly of an importer to sell a range of cooked wines or mishandled wines to his private clients as this would be a surefire way to exit the industry early.
 

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got a bottle of Cockburn fine tawny the other day.

it is a light smooth tawny, not sweet at all. no bad after taste. cost ard 20 dollars. a product from Portugal


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I have got a frd gg to start work @ seppeltsfield. If anyone(s) interested to know more of certain of their port/tawny series, feel free to put in here, I can drop by her work place to try my fill.

it cost $50 to taste their 5-10 of their series. I may be able to do that for a lot less price if not free.

Cockburns Port quite nice. Unfortunately their name is amusing.
 

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Is there any point in going for a wine appreciation class?

IMO it depends on the individual and who is giving the session (and how much you paid it for).

some prefer the structure of the class along with notes etc... ultimately you class will not be maximized if you don't continue to try different wines and expand your palate and research more into each wine you try.

because you will forget or even worse remember wrongly some of the info you have learnt.

but like i mentioned before there lots and lots of content online that can help those who are just starting into wine. it also helps if u have a friend(s) that have similar interests and can help share costs of the wines.

i started off as a uni student with no $$$ so I had to extensively research to ensure the wine i bought was really bang for the buck.
 

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Wine noob here, have quite a nice experience tasting plenty of wines during the recent epicurean market. The Italian wine leave me with quite a big impression, particularly Barberra and Amarone. The proseco and pinot i tried were pretty good as well. Any place where i can get good Italian wine without breaking my wallet? :)

I do enjoy Reisling and Port, usually i got Dr Loosen and Taylor from the DFS. Any other particular label i should try?
 

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Wine noob here, have quite a nice experience tasting plenty of wines during the recent epicurean market. The Italian wine leave me with quite a big impression, particularly Barberra and Amarone. The proseco and pinot i tried were pretty good as well. Any place where i can get good Italian wine without breaking my wallet? :)

I do enjoy Reisling and Port, usually i got Dr Loosen and Taylor from the DFS. Any other particular label i should try?

Epicurean Market is good as there were a lot of good importers and distributors. I didn't go to this year's one but I had live reports from friends.

Amarone can get expensive but Barbera is more wallet friendly. Prosecco I have recommendations as well.

As for Pinot, as in Pinot Noir? Have you tried PN from France and other countries or only during Italian tasting.

For Riesling (of which I am a huge fan of) there is more to riesling than just the popular Loosen. The world of riesling can seem complex but it's not that hard to understand. I would later give some recommendation for rieslings both from the new and old world.
 

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Epicurean Market is good as there were a lot of good importers and distributors. I didn't go to this year's one but I had live reports from friends.

Amarone can get expensive but Barbera is more wallet friendly. Prosecco I have recommendations as well.

As for Pinot, as in Pinot Noir? Have you tried PN from France and other countries or only during Italian tasting.

For Riesling (of which I am a huge fan of) there is more to riesling than just the popular Loosen. The world of riesling can seem complex but it's not that hard to understand. I would later give some recommendation for rieslings both from the new and old world.

Don't think I tried any PN or even if I did, I didn't really take note back then lol.
Think of the Italian I tested that day were from the sartori winery,got to say I as quite like those.

Will await ur recommendation for rieslings, cheers!
 

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had ruffino D'asti last week. i would have to say, it did not surprise me. I would say I have drank similar (taste and after taste) in victoria, in one of the larger vineyard. just that it was 10 years ago i cannot pull out the vineyard name.

I am going to try moscato del poggio provincia di pavia this weekend, and i will share more about how i feel about italian moscato compared to south australian ones

speaking of reislings, i am not sure if u remember that i told u i have no taste buds for sour notes?

A friend brought a riesling for me to try and i actually could taste sth. :D
it has a valentino blend to it. i will try to take aphoto of the bottle and sic here before i sell the bottles away :eek:
 
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Epicurean Market is good as there were a lot of good importers and distributors. I didn't go to this year's one but I had live reports from friends.

Amarone can get expensive but Barbera is more wallet friendly. Prosecco I have recommendations as well.

As for Pinot, as in Pinot Noir? Have you tried PN from France and other countries or only during Italian tasting.

For Riesling (of which I am a huge fan of) there is more to riesling than just the popular Loosen. The world of riesling can seem complex but it's not that hard to understand. I would later give some recommendation for rieslings both from the new and old world.

i will do a proper article on german rieslings soon but in this case for you i'll do a very very very condensed version.

but first some Barbera & Prosecco recommendations. it is best to approach good and/or specialized importers/retailers rather than supermarkets.

one retailer that has a wide range of wines from across the world is Crystal Wines in River Valley Shopping Centre. They are having an Italian sale this Saturday: Wine Sale Events | Crystal Wines

visit them to see what's on sale including Barbera Wines.



another small but good importer specializing in italian wines is Luigi Wines - Home. their recent shipment of prosecco is really delish (producer name is Sorelle Bronca). Drop them an email for recommendations within your budget and they're be more than happy to help. I've had their Barberas from different producers they bring in and they all have something unique about them. give them a try.





as for German wines, their labels can be confusing in long german words but their labels actually tell a lot! here's a quick guide:

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like burgundy wines, german wines are known by their producer and by the plot of vineyard the grapes of that bottle come from.

a single plot can be owned by multiple wineries so both plot name and producer is important when it comes to quality.

for an entry level, producers like Donnhoff make good wines across all levels and they are available at Isetan supermarket wine section. Isetan has a very good range of german rieslings as they carry wines from german specialist importer 'Wein & Vin'. All the wines in Isetan supermarket German rack are all very good at varying price points.

these are serious wines and would benefit from chilled and giving it sufficient breathing instead of chugging it down. Dr Loosen is good but i'm picky on the vineyard plot as Dr Loosen makes alot of entry level stuff that to me may not be worth the money.

Selbach Oster is another consistent producer and can be found exclusively at Wine Connection.

These are the ones that are easily available. there are many top producers available in Singapore but you can start off with these first.
 

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been under the weather lately (thanks haze) but manage to squeeze in a bottle.

CAVALIER PEPE OPERA MIA TAURASI DOCG 2008

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Most people will know Italian wines are famous for their Chianti and Supertuscan wines in Tuscany, rich Amarone in Veneto and elegant long ageing Barolo & Barbaresco wines up North in Piedmonte.

However we forget there is also a SOUTH of italy and other parts of Italy which all make excellent wines and can be a source of good value.

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The Taurasi wines are made in the region of Campania and it's the story of a recent success. For the longest time no one knew about Taurasi wines and there was only one main producer (Mastroberardino, who still makes benchmark Taurasi wines) until recently where now there are nearly 300 producers in the region.

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A classic Mastroberadino Wine​

A New York Times article on Taurasi: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/10/dining/10iht-wine10.html?pagewanted=all

So let's get down to the basics

WHAT IS TAURASI WINE MADE FROM?
It's made from a native grape called Aglianico.

HOW DOES IT TASTE?
Traditionally, like most native Italian wines, can be more rough and rugged in their youth and takes time and ages well to reveal more complex notes along with it's rich flavours. Some modern producers are making more approachable Taurasi in their youth.


WHATS SO SPECIAL ABOUT TAURASI?

They match lots of rich meaty foods very well and they age very well. It has been coined as the 'Barolo of the South'. due to its ageabilty and quality especially at later stages.


SO HOW DID YOUR WINE TASTE?
CAVALIER PEPE OPERA MIA TAURASI DOCG 2008

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I tasted it over 2 days and it was nice how the aromas and flavours kept evolving over the 2 days.

Day 1 Aroma: Very savoury meaty notes, deep nose of ripe plums, black pepper, roasted coffee beans. Very masculine.


Day 1 Taste: Very ripe fruit flavours, but a soft mid-palate, held together by strong tannins. At this stage it's still quite young so the flavours are quite straightforward without much complexity.


Day 2 Aroma: The meatiness is still present but opens up to show more red fruits and a hint of floral notes that give it some freshness

Day 2 Taste: Savouriness is still present but instead of very ripe dark fruit it has evolved to show sweet red fruits with a balance of acidity and firm but not intrusive tannins. This will last several more years. A tasty wines that will make classic meaty Italian dishes.


You can get this from Wine Creek @ Wine Family - CAVALIER PEPE OPERA MIA TAURASI DOCG :: Wine Creek Singapore :: WineFamily
I would suggest a good decant of at least an hour and serve slightly chilled.
 

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