Xpoint Memory Makes no Sense for End Users

[seekaliao]

Intel like trying to make Xpoint as HDD cache. But I am thinking that with SSD prices now, might as well just go for SSD. Why bother to use HDD and then waste the M.2 slot for a small cache.

There is PCIE version but its less than 400GB and very expensive. So I don't think end users will want it.

 

[wolnavi]

Ssd got limit, xpoint no have

 

[seekaliao]

Ssd got limit, xpoint no have

What limit?

 

[seekaliao]

One more thing Optane will only work on kaby lake systems. Not sure if anyone is keen spend money to buy 12/32GB of Optane for use as HDD cache.

 

[haylui]

What limit?

Capacity limit? Lol

 

[darren_soh86]

Ssd got limit, xpoint no have

xpoint limit is your wallet. it's so ex.

 

[wwenze]

Next up in news: 32 core CPU makes no sense for end users

 

[seekaliao]

Sounds like everyone is just busy making fun of my thread, thats all......

 

[Crimson_FURY]

OP. Dont let it get to you. I was also thinking the same thing after watching Linus Tech Tips Optane review. It shows some modest improvement to HDD boot times and start times for some applications but he did not show any benchmarks when used with SSDs. So im wondering if theres any point for SSD users. If not then i really wuestion the point of having optane support at all

 

[Crooni]

no need to bother with it. read the tech reviews and comments, everyone is flaming it.

32gb is 77 bucks. last year black friday mx300 ssd 750gb is 99 bucks.

i thought about it for a while, but really cannot find any use for it.

it's not ram, so you can only run auto preload stuff, but it's only 32gb. it's also not ssd, so you can't run everything fast, only selected stuff. yes it's ultra low latency, but it also need multiple reboots for it to know what to cache.

so if you need ram, it's not going to help. if you need ssd, then buy a ssd way cheaper. i think it's just a money grab. they developed xpoint but have no idea how/what to use it on.

 

[seekaliao]

OP. Dont let it get to you. I was also thinking the same thing after watching Linus Tech Tips Optane review. It shows some modest improvement to HDD boot times and start times for some applications but he did not show any benchmarks when used with SSDs. So im wondering if theres any point for SSD users. If not then i really wuestion the point of having optane support at all

But if you look at read its even slower than many nvme SSD. Write is just 280MB/s, even slower than SATA SSD.

 

[seekaliao]

no need to bother with it. read the tech reviews and comments, everyone is flaming it.

32gb is 77 bucks. last year black friday mx300 ssd 750gb is 99 bucks.

i thought about it for a while, but really cannot find any use for it.

it's not ram, so you can only run auto preload stuff, but it's only 32gb. it's also not ssd, so you can't run everything fast, only selected stuff. yes it's ultra low latency, but it also need multiple reboots for it to know what to cache.

so if you need ram, it's not going to help. if you need ssd, then buy a ssd way cheaper. i think it's just a money grab. they developed xpoint but have no idea how/what to use it on.

Thats what I am thinking. Might as well buy SSD. You can get 500GB SSD for very low price now. With 500GB, you can store many things and its much faster than HDD.

 

[Ark Law]

Same as Intel SRT years back. Just that this time they get LTT to hype it up (by saying perf is between SSD and RAM).

You have to own a Kaby mobo, then give up one M.2 slot, then you have to pay a higher-than-budget-tier-SSD price only to get not-so-near-SSD-like performance.

When it comes to big vendors' products, LTT these days are just another channel sellout like any other, no different from TastyPC. People who tell the audience as it is like Louis Rossmann are definitely relatable and a breath of fresh air.

 

[wolnavi]

Like ssd the endurance limit, xpoint don't have it

E.g. Ssd after 35tb will have some issue or something like that

 

[haylui]

Like ssd the endurance limit, xpoint don't have it

E.g. Ssd after 35tb will have some issue or something like that

For end user that would take many years to get there.

 

[hawthorne]

Next gen Mobo, they might put xpoint directly on the mobo, (something like the sound chip) u dun need to sacrifice a M.2 slot.

Current gen 270 Mobo was released before xpoint was available, so guess manufacturers can only support it via M.2 slot

Give it a while, we might see it going mainstream in coffee lake

 

[MoneyFace =p]

Same as Intel SRT years back. Just that this time they get LTT to hype it up (by saying perf is between SSD and RAM).

You have to own a Kaby mobo, then give up one M.2 slot, then you have to pay a higher-than-budget-tier-SSD price only to get not-so-near-SSD-like performance.

When it comes to big vendors' products, LTT these days are just another channel sellout like any other, no different from TastyPC. People who tell the audience as it is like Louis Rossmann are definitely relatable and a breath of fresh air.

And you need to have a Core i CPU. Try to sneak in with a Pentium G4560...

 

[haylui]

Next gen Mobo, they might put xpoint directly on the mobo, (something like the sound chip) u dun need to sacrifice a M.2 slot.

Current gen 270 Mobo was released before xpoint was available, so guess manufacturers can only support it via M.2 slot

Give it a while, we might see it going mainstream in coffee lake

don't think this will happen. just like RAM.

 

[ragnarok95]

I prefer more storage space than faster speed. I can wait 5-10 secs more for transferring files. But i cannot live with little storage space.

 

[Yueming]

mix-mode for best performance.

m2 NVME for OS
normal SSD for files frequently accessed
normal HDD for storage of files that you wun use anyway