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Old 13-05-2019, 04:52 PM   #4741
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Thanks both. I've seen some places in Daly City going at about $300+ per night with 3, even 4 beds. So just really need to sort out my itinerary above before I can look at accom.

Hoping someone could chip in please
Time is money and money is time. Do you want to spend lots of time travelling thru and back SFO all these add up could be the cost of your airbnb in SFO too?
Money aside looking at your itenary it seemed to be quite tight, so do you really want to spend all the time in travel?
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Old 15-05-2019, 10:23 PM   #4742
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Just back from a trip through Boston, Cape Cod and NYC! First visit to those places for me.

Sharing some experience for users who may be visiting the area.

Boston
Boston is a more open and spaced-out city (not super urban like NYC, SG, HK, etc.) which can be a nice break for us city folks as it is still fairly convenient to get around and have enough creature comforts. reminds me of cities in Australia but nicer and more interesting IMO.

We got around on a combination of The T (train network that operates both above and under ground) and a lot of walking! Bought the 7-day pass and felt we used it sufficiently within 3-days to cover the cost.

Boston is a very walkable city. We did the Freedom Trail covering locations and history leading up to the American War of Independence. It was 20+km of walking and easy to follow with the red bricks/markers embedded onto the pavements and pedestrain crossing. Suggest visitors to obtain the Boston Pass for entry to all the small museums along the way - otherwise it is individual ticket for each museum.

Start early and you can break for lunch/coffee/snacks anywhere along the way.

Popular, particularly with Asian tourists, are visits to the various universities like Harvard and MIT. Harvard has a couple of museums of their own which are worth visiting if time permits.

Generally people we encountered were well-mannered, friendly and just genuinely nice.

Great seafood, of course!

Cape Cod
This leg of the trip was to visit relatives based there. The Cape is a summer destination especially for the wealthy with their summer houses. It was very quiet as we visited in the "wrong" season.

It's the home town of John F Kennedy so there is a small museum dedicated to him. The Kennedies have a large family compound in one of the coastal area. Impossible to get around at all without a vehicle as the nearest anything is 15-20 minutes walk.

Couple of popular outlying islands to visit are Martha's Vineyard and Nantucket - "millionaire's islands". We did a day trip to Nantucket and cycled 20-miles along bike trails on eastern part of the island and rode pass many of the beautiful millionaire summer houses and also a golf course along the coast featuring a functioning lighthouse!

As with Boston, fantastic seafood!

New York City
The Big Apple, the city that never sleeps... Anything and everything goes in this cosmopolitan, dynamic, energetic place.

We walked an average 10km at least each of the 5 full days we were there and only barely covered a quarter of Manhattan island. So much to see, do, eat and buy there. I will suggest exploring the city with the ubiquitous Citi-bikes to cover more area.

Some of the best things to see in NYC are actually FREE!
1. Central Park
2. Grand Central Station
3. New York Public Library
4. World Trade Center Memorial
5. Brooklyn/Manhattan bridges
6. Hudson Park
7. High-Line
8. Times Square
9. Bryant Park
10. The countless churches and places of worship like St. Patrick's Cathedral
11. ...more that I haven't explored myself

One funny suggestion is to try the chinese food, especially in and around chinatown - it's REALLY good, comparable to anything we can find in Asia except a little pricey (by SG standards).

The Metropolitan Museum has an amazing collection of historical artifacts and art from nearly all over the world. It takes at least 3hrs just to quickly browse through each gallery - better to cater more time especially if you are a fan of history. MoMA was interesting too but certain galleries/exhibits got too abstract for me. We got tickets for both on Klook, instant e-ticket and cheaper than buying OTC.

The subway network is complex and can be confusing, stations can be cleaner and train frequencies higher. Each entry is ~USD3 or more. Not the most pleasant and nothing much to see which is why we limited using it to once or twice at most per day. Hotels are small and very expensive, you can consider Airbnb though it's illegal (as how it is in SG)

As with Boston, people were far nicer and friendlier than I had expected. Better mannered than the average folks in Singapore!

It sounds clichť but NYC somehow does make one feel the sky's the limit. Anything is possible! It was far more pleasant than I had imagined - yes the sirens are always going off, the streets are not the cleanest, you do see some homelessness and it is good to regularly keep on your guard.

But still, it's a helluva town.
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Old 16-05-2019, 03:41 AM   #4743
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How's the electric bike rental going in SF, especially to go around Union Square, Fisherman's Wharf, Golden Gate?
Is it easy to find and grab one from street corners (like how Ofo and Mobike used to be in SG)?
It's... a bit thin. The electric bike and scooter companies all got booted out of San Francisco late last year; you can now rent scooters, but the bikes are limited to the Ford GoBike network (which is very short on electric bikes). Brace yourself for a quads workout.

In addition to the above, how is staying at Daly City or around Visitacion Valley? As much as I’d love to stay near Union Square it seems really expensive. Reaching on the 10th June and looking for a place for 5 people. So was wondering if it’ll make sense to just Uber into the city then.
Visitacion... yeah no, don't do this. It's pretty meh, the public transport is lacking... why bother?

Daly City's fine but it's deeply boring and suburban, and about 30-40 minutes from the city on BART.

If you're going to go that far down the peninsula, you might as well go a little further down to Burlingame or San Mateo. Check out the airport hotels—you might be able to snag a bargain there—or look for an AirBnB close to a Caltrain station.

Last minute trip and I’m headed for SF LV LA from June 10-25th. Need some advice desperately!

I’m quite stucked with the planning from here on:


Day 7/8/9:
How do I hit Yosemite, Death Valley before ending up in Vegas? I’m keen to forego 1 of them if that’ll be best
This is totally doable... couple of things to note, though.

1) Even though June is summer, the top of Yosemite may still be snowed in. It's been a HUGE snow season this year, so the Tioga Pass Road that gets you from one side of Yosemite to the other might be still closed.

2) Death Valley in June is going to be an absolute b'stard. It's literally the hottest place in the world, and June is the height of summer. You may not want to do this.

So you have two questions to ask
1) Is the Tioga Pass open?
2) Do I really want to do Death Valley?

If the Tioga Pass is open, and you do want to do Death Valley, here's the map.

If the Tioga Pass is open, and you decide not to do Death Valley, you can head across the White Mountains instead, and see the bristlecone pines! This is a pretty awesome drive. Here's the map.

If the Tioga Pass is closed, you're going to have to head south to Bakersfield, then turn east. From here, it's a straight shot to Barstow and then to Vegas across some of the bleakest terrain you'll ever drive; alternatively, you can drive from Bakersfield to Death Valley, then pop out at the little hamlet of Amargosa Valley and take US-95 straight down into Vegas.

Either way, you should leave a couple of days for this drive. If you're stopping in Death Valley, stay at the Furnace Creek Ranch; if you're taking the White Mountains route, stay in the little town of Bishop at the Bishop Creekside Inn; if you're heading south through Bakersfield and skipping Death Valley, you can just blast all the way through to Vegas in a day.

From Day 1 to 6, should I base myself out of the same accommodation, which is probably closer to downtown SF?

Should I only rent a car from Day 5 onwards? Read it isn't too wise to drive into the city.

Should I do Yosemite as a day trip then just fly out to Vegas to save time?
1) Yes.
2) Yes. Driving in San Francisco blows, and I say that as someone who does it every day.
3) Mmm... nah, the drive out the back of Yosemite is amazing. Do it.
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Yes driving in sf sucks. But the alternative is dealing with homeless, drug abusers on Bart that gets shutdown or delayed ever so often...

Or take Uber if you arenít here that long, itís not that expensive.
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Old 17-05-2019, 06:14 PM   #4745
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Is Miami famous for beach?
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Old 20-05-2019, 01:43 AM   #4746
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Is Miami famous for beach?
Oh my goodness yes. Miami Beach is one of the most famous stretches of beach front in the world (and a personal fave of mine, because of the absolutely glorious Streamline Moderne architecture thatís everywhere on the beach). Iíve been there a few times; what do you want to know?
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Old 21-05-2019, 03:11 PM   #4747
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Is Miami famous for beach?
There are many beaches in miami area, most famous would be south beach.

imo, the further down south you head in florida, the beach is better.
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It's... a bit thin. The electric bike and scooter companies all got booted out of San Francisco late last year; you can now rent scooters, but the bikes are limited to the Ford GoBike network (which is very short on electric bikes). Brace yourself for a quads workout.



Visitacion... yeah no, don't do this. It's pretty meh, the public transport is lacking... why bother?

Daly City's fine but it's deeply boring and suburban, and about 30-40 minutes from the city on BART.

If you're going to go that far down the peninsula, you might as well go a little further down to Burlingame or San Mateo. Check out the airport hotelsóyou might be able to snag a bargain thereóor look for an AirBnB close to a Caltrain station.



This is totally doable... couple of things to note, though.

1) Even though June is summer, the top of Yosemite may still be snowed in. It's been a HUGE snow season this year, so the Tioga Pass Road that gets you from one side of Yosemite to the other might be still closed.

2) Death Valley in June is going to be an absolute b'stard. It's literally the hottest place in the world, and June is the height of summer. You may not want to do this.

So you have two questions to ask
1) Is the Tioga Pass open?
2) Do I really want to do Death Valley?

If the Tioga Pass is open, and you do want to do Death Valley, here's the map.

If the Tioga Pass is open, and you decide not to do Death Valley, you can head across the White Mountains instead, and see the bristlecone pines! This is a pretty awesome drive. Here's the map.

If the Tioga Pass is closed, you're going to have to head south to Bakersfield, then turn east. From here, it's a straight shot to Barstow and then to Vegas across some of the bleakest terrain you'll ever drive; alternatively, you can drive from Bakersfield to Death Valley, then pop out at the little hamlet of Amargosa Valley and take US-95 straight down into Vegas.

Either way, you should leave a couple of days for this drive. If you're stopping in Death Valley, stay at the Furnace Creek Ranch; if you're taking the White Mountains route, stay in the little town of Bishop at the Bishop Creekside Inn; if you're heading south through Bakersfield and skipping Death Valley, you can just blast all the way through to Vegas in a day.



1) Yes.
2) Yes. Driving in San Francisco blows, and I say that as someone who does it every day.
3) Mmm... nah, the drive out the back of Yosemite is amazing. Do it.
Thanks so much! Unfortunately we've decided to fly from SF to LV as we do not have that much time. Will definitely save what you wrote for my next trip.

Looking at something like this. Appreciate any inputs!


Day 1:
Arrive in SF late night

Will be staying at an Airbnb in Bayview District



Day 2 to 4: San Francisco

Food market at Ferry building
Farmers Market
- Frog Hollow Farm desserts
- Argentinean empanadas
- Humphry Slocombe - ice cream
- Cowgirl Sidekick - cheese sandwich
- Prather Meat Co. - hotdog
- Hog island oyster company
Lombard Street
Ghiradelli Square
Fisherman Wharf
Crissy field (Golden gate bridge view)
Union Square
Alcatraz



Day 5: San Francisco
Great Mall of San Francisco
Gilroy Outlets



Day 6: San Francisco Ė Las Vegas
SFO - LAS on United

Linq Hotel and Casino

Catch a show...will probably look for last minute tickets?




Day 7:

Explore LV strip

Eat:
In n Out
Hash House A Go Go
Moin Ami Gabi



Day 8: Chill day
Buffet/pool/strip/outlet



Day 9: Drive to Antelope/Grand Canyon




Day 10: Drive to LA

- The Mormon Rocks
- Get off exit 153a near D Street, take old Route 66 up from Victorville to Barstow
- Elmerís Bottle Tree Ranch, Oro Grande
- Eddieworld for gas
- Peggy Sue 50ís Diner, Yermo
- Seven Magic Mountains, South Las Vegas (check if open on 15th)
- Red Rock Canyon


Bestia for dinner in LA... Booked a month ahead and 9.15pm is the earliest table they have across 5 days




Day 11: Hollywood


Hollywood sign and go to Griffith Observatory
Hollywood Walk of Fame
Farmerís Market + The Grove
Melrose Avenue
Rodeo Drive
Beverly Hills

Eat:
Spago
Pinkís Hot Dog
In n Out
The Griddle Cafť
Yamashiro




Day 12: Downtown LA


Bradbury building
The Last Bookstore
Grand Central Market
- Oyster bar
- Eggslut
Angelís flight
Walt Disney Centre complimentary tour


Eat:
Langerís Deli
Ave 26 Tacos
BCD Tofu House
Howlin Rayís
Triniti



Day 13: West LA
Santa Monica
- Arrive before 10am for parking. $12 whole day
- The Pier
- Third Street Promenade
Abbot Kinney Boulevard
Venice Canals District
Venice Beach Boardwalk

Eat:
C&O Trattoria
Sugarfish by Sushi Nozawa
Sidecar Doughnuts
Afters Ice Cream
Salt & Straw Ice Cream
Chi Spacca
Petit Troisde




Day 14:

Desert Hill Outlet




Day 15:

Back to SG


Questions
For Day 5...is it worth just renting the car then dropping it off at Day 6 at the airport? Or is it more worthwhile exploring public transport/uber?

For Day 11/12/13, should I be driving the car all the way or just park at a single location and explore by foot?

Any recommendations on where has the best buffet in Vegas? I'm hearing Sterling or Wicked Spoon.

Where should I base myself in aka? West Hollywood? Am I right to say it wouldnít make too big a difference if itís West Hollywood or Downtown if Iím driving?

Please also recommend any other food places you might think are worth checking out!

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Old 22-05-2019, 11:09 PM   #4749
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Thanks so much! Unfortunately we've decided to fly from SF to LV as we do not have that much time. Will definitely save what you wrote for my next trip.

Arrive in SF late night

Will be staying at an Airbnb in Bayview District
WHOA WHOA WHOA I'm gonna stop you right there. The Bayview is NOT a nice part of town, and it's a long way out from downtown. You should not stay there.


Catch a show...will probably look for last minute tickets?
Don't go last-minute; pick a show and book in advance. I highly recommend Penn and Teller, if they're performing the days you're there.

Eat:
In n Out
Hash House A Go Go
Moin Ami Gabi
You can do better than this. The restaurants at Caesars, Aria, and the Bellagio are all superb, and the Cosmopolitan has suddenly become really cool. And don't miss the buffets: my personal fave is Wicked Spoon at the Cosmopolitan, though Bacchanal at Caesars is pretty good too (the queues can be bonkers though)

Day 9: Drive to Antelope/Grand Canyon
Ah yeah you're not gonna get this done in a day. You can do the Grand Canyon in one very long day, but you're not fitting in Antelope Canyon as well unless you have a helicopter. I'd recommend taking two days for this. Ditch your day trip to Gilroy (the outlet shops in Vegas are the same as the ones in Gilroy and the Great Mall) and take a day to visit Antelope Canyon instead.


Day 10: Drive to LA

- The Mormon Rocks
- Get off exit 153a near D Street, take old Route 66 up from Victorville to Barstow
- Elmerís Bottle Tree Ranch, Oro Grande
- Eddieworld for gas
- Peggy Sue 50ís Diner, Yermo
I love this.


Bradbury building
The Last Bookstore
Grand Central Market
- Oyster bar
- Eggslut
Angelís flight
Walt Disney Centre complimentary tour
Instead of doing this, can I suggest a few of:
* LACMA and the La Brea tar pits;
* The Grove outdoor shopping mall
* Head over to Burbank and do the Warner Bros studio tour.


Day 14:

Desert Hill Outlet
Save yourself some time - this is on the way from Vegas to LA (if you take a bit of a detour). You can hit it without spending a full day getting to and from.



Day 15:

Back to SG

Where should I base myself in aka? West Hollywood? Am I right to say it wouldnít make too big a difference if itís West Hollywood or Downtown if Iím driving?
It does, it makes a huge difference. LA is gigantic and the traffic sucks. You should absolutely base yourself in West Hollywood.
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I like to stay at the airport hotels in LA. Itís much cheaper than Hollywood ones, and on the west side of LA where most of the non-themepark attractions are at. Traffic isnít too bad as well as you donít have to get through down town.
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for day 13, you can park at the car park opposite google office. It is only 4 dollars for whole day till 6pm, after that its free parking.
It is between venice and santa monica where you can explore the broadwalk and the pier.

Day 9 is not possible in one day as the drive from LV to Page is like 5hours plus non stop.
Tours for antelope has specific timing and the best time to visit is like 11am due to the lightning in the canyon. From page to LA is nearly 5 hours, and I was driving at 100miles/hour.

You said grand canyon, do you know which part of grand canyon you visiting? Horse shoe bend is near antelope but grand canyon west is like all the way at the other side near LV.

Just a heads up eggslut can be found in cosmopolitan hotel too. Realized that you keep going back to try in and out. Why not give 5 guys a try or even shake shack.
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Thanks for the detailed post bro. can ask where u stayed in NYC? trying to decide between hotel or airbnb, cos not sure if airbnb is safe there. didn't realize it was illegal in NYC

did you visit the factory outlets?

Just back from a trip through Boston, Cape Cod and NYC! First visit to those places for me.

Sharing some experience for users who may be visiting the area.

Boston
Boston is a more open and spaced-out city (not super urban like NYC, SG, HK, etc.) which can be a nice break for us city folks as it is still fairly convenient to get around and have enough creature comforts. reminds me of cities in Australia but nicer and more interesting IMO.

We got around on a combination of The T (train network that operates both above and under ground) and a lot of walking! Bought the 7-day pass and felt we used it sufficiently within 3-days to cover the cost.

Boston is a very walkable city. We did the Freedom Trail covering locations and history leading up to the American War of Independence. It was 20+km of walking and easy to follow with the red bricks/markers embedded onto the pavements and pedestrain crossing. Suggest visitors to obtain the Boston Pass for entry to all the small museums along the way - otherwise it is individual ticket for each museum.

Start early and you can break for lunch/coffee/snacks anywhere along the way.

Popular, particularly with Asian tourists, are visits to the various universities like Harvard and MIT. Harvard has a couple of museums of their own which are worth visiting if time permits.

Generally people we encountered were well-mannered, friendly and just genuinely nice.

Great seafood, of course!

Cape Cod
This leg of the trip was to visit relatives based there. The Cape is a summer destination especially for the wealthy with their summer houses. It was very quiet as we visited in the "wrong" season.

It's the home town of John F Kennedy so there is a small museum dedicated to him. The Kennedies have a large family compound in one of the coastal area. Impossible to get around at all without a vehicle as the nearest anything is 15-20 minutes walk.

Couple of popular outlying islands to visit are Martha's Vineyard and Nantucket - "millionaire's islands". We did a day trip to Nantucket and cycled 20-miles along bike trails on eastern part of the island and rode pass many of the beautiful millionaire summer houses and also a golf course along the coast featuring a functioning lighthouse!

As with Boston, fantastic seafood!

New York City
The Big Apple, the city that never sleeps... Anything and everything goes in this cosmopolitan, dynamic, energetic place.

We walked an average 10km at least each of the 5 full days we were there and only barely covered a quarter of Manhattan island. So much to see, do, eat and buy there. I will suggest exploring the city with the ubiquitous Citi-bikes to cover more area.

Some of the best things to see in NYC are actually FREE!
1. Central Park
2. Grand Central Station
3. New York Public Library
4. World Trade Center Memorial
5. Brooklyn/Manhattan bridges
6. Hudson Park
7. High-Line
8. Times Square
9. Bryant Park
10. The countless churches and places of worship like St. Patrick's Cathedral
11. ...more that I haven't explored myself

One funny suggestion is to try the chinese food, especially in and around chinatown - it's REALLY good, comparable to anything we can find in Asia except a little pricey (by SG standards).

The Metropolitan Museum has an amazing collection of historical artifacts and art from nearly all over the world. It takes at least 3hrs just to quickly browse through each gallery - better to cater more time especially if you are a fan of history. MoMA was interesting too but certain galleries/exhibits got too abstract for me. We got tickets for both on Klook, instant e-ticket and cheaper than buying OTC.

The subway network is complex and can be confusing, stations can be cleaner and train frequencies higher. Each entry is ~USD3 or more. Not the most pleasant and nothing much to see which is why we limited using it to once or twice at most per day. Hotels are small and very expensive, you can consider Airbnb though it's illegal (as how it is in SG)

As with Boston, people were far nicer and friendlier than I had expected. Better mannered than the average folks in Singapore!

It sounds clichť but NYC somehow does make one feel the sky's the limit. Anything is possible! It was far more pleasant than I had imagined - yes the sirens are always going off, the streets are not the cleanest, you do see some homelessness and it is good to regularly keep on your guard.

But still, it's a helluva town.
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Make sure you have your will written before leaving and a bulletproof vest.

First and only time I ended up there 15 years ago, I've heard gunshots in broad daylight.
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Airbnb is illegal in NYC? But Airbnb is from USA no?

Thanks for the detailed post bro. can ask where u stayed in NYC? trying to decide between hotel or airbnb, cos not sure if airbnb is safe there. didn't realize it was illegal in NYC

did you visit the factory outlets?
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Airbnb is illegal in NYC? But Airbnb is from USA no?
Yes. Cities and states can set their own laws about hotels—and AirBnB is not very popular in big cities, where long-term rental units are being taken off the market and offered on AirBnB instead. This drives up rental costs and drives up housing prices and generally annoys a big segment of the population.

Just a heads up eggslut can be found in cosmopolitan hotel too. Realized that you keep going back to try in and out. Why not give 5 guys a try or even shake shack.
Oh yeah, I forgot this.

Pro tip: I've been to that Eggslut in the Cosmo, and the queues are absolutely goddamn bonkers. If you're doing breakfast, and you should, you'll want to get there extremely early in the morning - around 7am or so, because around 8-9am you'll be lucky if you get served within half an hour.

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