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For example, a youngish person just starting out, he (and spouse) buys a 3 room flat with a 50% downpayment and has no stocks or bonds. In my mind, i don't think you can say he's clearly over invested in property even though he has no stocks or bonds.
100% invested in property in that example — 100% of that household’s assets are in their own home. Is that 100% allocation “bad” (the “over” part)? No, not necessarily, although a 50% down payment in the current mortgage interest rate environment would not be what I’d suggest (with a couple other reasonable assumptions).

Housing isn’t the only “hybrid” investment. Education is another such example.

In any case, the lease buy back scheme is a bad example in my opinion. In the first 6 years since it started and was limited to 4 room flats or lower, only about 2500 people took up the scheme (this was up to 2 years ago). Only last year was the scheme revised to include 5 room flats, and I suspect the take up rate is low. And obviously, if you have any other property, it doesn't apply at all.
I think it’s a reasonable way to figure where you are in terms of retirement income support, as a “sanity check,” and if it applies. Whether you do it or not is a separate question.
 

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Ervino, what do you think about this... we can set up an Ervino club for people who are interested in your investing philosophy?

I believe that is a good way for people to know "the whole truth" without imposing on others who are not interested in reading about active investing. I'm sure there are others who want to know your intelligent thoughts but have no choice but to sift through passive investing stuff here.

I have very limited focus and just want to read the stuff I want to know, without having to sift through things that are not relevant to me.

Say you will block me and then you unblock again? Why?
You scare people know the whole truth? :o

And why we cannot post here? It is not like you own this forum and we have to obey your instructions right?
There will always be posts which are welcomed and not welcomed, so having a balance of views (and giving whole truth and whole picture) is more important than whether some people welcome the posts or not. :s8:

I know you are at it using your sinister way to try to keep maligning me and wanting to get me banned right? You can keep trying and I don't care. The most is people here just don't get to hear the whole truth and whole picture about investing in passive index ETFs and that is all!

Don't know why people like you are so scared of me telling the whole truth and whole picture about investing in passive index ETFs? :s13:
 

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Ervino, what do you think about this... we can set up an Ervino club for people who are interested in your investing philosophy?

I believe that is a good way for people to know "the whole truth" without imposing on others who are not interested in reading about active investing. I'm sure there are others who want to know your intelligent thoughts but have no choice but to sift through passive investing stuff here.

I have very limited focus and just want to read the stuff I want to know, without having to sift through things that are not relevant to me.

There is a whole sub-forum for active investing. Its called SSI
 

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Housing isn’t the only “hybrid” investment. Education is another such example.

Don't think I will follow up on this. Only one thing to reiterate. Education is not a comparable when talking about retirement consumption. Housing is both a consumption item, and potentially an investment item for retirement purposes.

I'm not talking in metaphors.
 

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Education is not a comparable when talking about retirement consumption.
It’s different to be sure, but it’s a hybrid, including in retirement. Many people derive personal pleasure and satisfaction from education, and they consume these aspects throughout their lives.
 

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Guys,

You can always click the report button if you find anyone is a nuisance.

If there are more reports, I am sure the joker will be exterminated.
 

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Just a question on how should I allocate my monthly funds. Ideal allocation is:
ABF Bonds - 10%
EIMI - 10%
IWDA - 56%
STI ETF - 24%

My IWDA is 55%, STI 26%, which means I have to buy IWDA.

Question is the following month do I buy the one which is lower than my ideal allocation OR the one which drop the most from the previous month percentage.
 

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Just a question on how should I allocate my monthly funds. Ideal allocation is:
ABF Bonds - 10%
EIMI - 10%
IWDA - 56%
STI ETF - 24%

My IWDA is 55%, STI 26%, which means I have to buy IWDA.

Question is the following month do I buy the one which is lower than my ideal allocation OR the one which drop the most from the previous month percentage.

if you are the type that likes to rebalance every month so that you never deviate from your ideal allocation, you can set up an excel spreadsheet with formulas that will autocalculate exactly what to buy to maintain your ideal allocation.
 

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Dear shiny,

I got interested in China A shares etf
Any etf to recommend?
Thanks in advance

I was also looking at JK8.SI - United SSE 50 China ETF
But I Guess this is very illiquid and not reflective of actual China market
Maybe not worth to buy
Any views?
Thanks
 

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if you are the type that likes to rebalance every month so that you never deviate from your ideal allocation, you can set up an excel spreadsheet with formulas that will autocalculate exactly what to buy to maintain your ideal allocation.

A bit expensive to rebalance every month
Why not every 6 mths or quarterly?
 

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A bit expensive to rebalance every month
Why not every 6 mths or quarterly?

If you are someone who needs your allocation to be within 1% tolerance, the suggestion of using a spreadsheet to achieve this accuracy is applicable whether you rebalance monthly, quarterly, yearly etc.

I will say you do what you need to do so that you can sleep well at night.
If being 1% off from your desired allocation makes you uncomfortable, cannot sleep well, then do the necessary to correct it. Myself, I do a portfolio 'check' maybe twice a year.
 

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Hi ervino,

Sorry for asking, it seems rude though. But would you please share with me (or to someone who are also interested) the way you achieve those high returns (in another thread)?

Hey mate,

As you've probably figured out, the problem is that he doesn't want to have his own thread; he wants to be in this thread. I was pleased to see he could articulate his positions in that post he made upthread, but the vast majority of his posts have been shouty and unpleasant and absolutely not adding any value to the thread.

The only advice I can give, and this goes for everyone, is to block him and don't interact with him. Let me handle reporting him.

Question is the following month do I buy the one which is lower than my ideal allocation OR the one which drop the most from the previous month percentage.

The first one - buy the one which is lowest compared to your target allocation.

Limster: he's doing the right thing, don't worry. I think what Cupcaked is doing is adding in his monthly investment amount to the thing he's short of, which is a sensible thing to do.

Dear shiny,

I got interested in China A shares etf
Any etf to recommend?

Yeah, I recommend you don't. China A-shares trade at a 10-15% premium to the H-share listings in Hong Kong. You'll get more bang for your buck buying the equivalent H-shares.

That said, though: why do you want to overweight China in the first place? And before you say "China is growing" or anything like that—the China growth story has been a thing for about two decades now. China has already emerged.
 
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Yeah, I recommend you don't. China A-shares trade at a 10-15% premium to the H-share listings in Hong Kong. You'll get more bang for your buck buying the equivalent H-shares.

That said, though: why do you want to overweight China in the first place? And before you say "China is growing" or anything like that—the China growth story has been a thing for about two decades now. China has already emerged.

Dear shiny,

Are you referring to 2828 for
Hang Seng H-Share Index ETF?
China now still relatively cheap compared to all time high

Thank you
Will monitor
This and 2800
 
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China now still relatively cheap compared to all time high
By that “logic,” so is Japan. The Nikkei 225’s peak was hit in 1989. Why don’t you buy stocks listed in Japanese stock markets? Great deal, right? (And for the past quarter century or so.) How about putting at least 50% of your net worth into Japanese stocks?

....Oh, that’s right, you don’t like the current story, the narrative, the mythology about Japan and Japanese stocks.

Don’t try to time markets. Don’t try to play favorites. That’s gambling, usually. Just pick a well diversified portfolio allocation, doggedly save and mechanically invest, and (as Shiny Things suggests) go to the pub. If you ignore this sage advice, at least only ignore it with very small amounts of money strictly after you have become very wealthy.
 

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Dear shiny,

Are you referring to 2828 for
Hang Seng H-Share Index ETF?
China now still relatively cheap compared to all time high

Thank you
Will monitor
This and 2800

Are you writing
A blank verse
Poem?

You don't need
So many
Line breaks.

But BBCW is right. Just because something's a long way below its all-time high doesn't mean it's cheap.
 

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Watching the CEO of Blackstone talking on Bloomberg. It's amazing the amount of money they raise and the returns they generate is double of stocks markets with no losses. They invest in Private equities, Real estate etc. I can't help but relate to the discussion about REITs and Real estate in this thread. It's kind of interesting that real estate is so sophisticated that it is considered as an Alternative Investment providing superior returns which institutional investors prefer and at the same time it is something that laymen individual investors too love.

Ok so no one actually replied you on this. I can help out on this because I'm practically in the industry and Blackstone just so happen to be my competitor. :s22:

Blackstone is a giant asset manager that specializes in private equity investments - this means buying private companies or if listed, privatize. You will never know if they've had no losses unless you actually know people who:

1. Work in Blackstone
2. Work in any of the LPs that invested in their funds and have visibility on their reporting
3. Work in any of their portfolio companies that went bust :s13:

Blackstone is public listed (BX) but their private funds are a blackhole to the BX unitholders. Their funds' true returns aren't published publicly as they're not legally required to. Psst: if you're resourceful enough, you can find out their Funds' returns, just takes some digging.

So for real estate, it's called PERE in industry parlance: private equity real estate. The high returns they get is due to numerous factors that we as individual investors can't easily achieve:

1. Leverage - They can get preferred lending rates due to their name alone, along with attractive LTV ratios (depends on their mandate tho). And that's just at the asset level (property). At the Fund level, they can still get a working capital/subscription line to further improve IRR, and those lines have pretty low lending rates, ~south of 2%. We can't get these.

2. Tax - In the industry, we have the Big 4 on speed dial and our in-house counsels to help us with any tax changes globally. We always structure our investments for maximum tax efficiency. Individual investors like you and I aren't able to get such treatment unless you have access to a private bank along with a strong corp fin team to help you with tax structuring. The cost to structure the investment itself may put you off.

3. Access - They have wide and deep connections with brokers and other players in general. Their deal teams are strong and they do not have to rely on public deals (EOIs, etc.) - they can do multiple off-market deals. An individual investor can't do that unless you're part of the industry yourself. Few years back when the European banks were shedding their loan books to prepare for Basel III capital requirements, several hedge and PE funds swooped in and gobbled up their books, of which held multiple real estate assets in the PIGS markets. The market recovered fiercely (esp. in Spain), a few of those astute players got huge returns, and their deal teams pocketing million dollar bonuses each. Again, inaccessible for the layman.

4. Risk - Many of Blackstone's PERE Funds have an Opportunistic focus. So in terms of real estate investments, there are only four types of strategies:

(i) Core - Low risk, low return. Basically buying already-built, fully-leased buildings in strong markets at low leverage (30-40%). REITs are concentrated in this market. That's why many of their properties often yield <6%.
(ii) Core plus - Medium risk, medium return. Basically core strategy, but with added leverage. Core plus deals can see LTVs north of 50%.
(iii) Value-add - Mid/high risk, mid/high return. This is what I'm doing. Buying a sh1tty property, turning it around and selling it. Basically, we find properties that are in good locations but are mismanaged or is under-rented, then we spruce it up with AEI, change the tenant mix, and then flip it to core/core plus buyers.
(iv) Opportunistic - High risk, high return. This is what property developers (and Blackstone) do: buying up empty land and building something, then selling it. This can also involve a debt-fund, where you invest in the other side of the capital structure. There are a few mezz debt funds out there, Blackstone has a few. Leverage here is at it's highest, north of 60% easily. That's where you get the juiced up returns - but then again, if it goes wrong, it can wreck your Fund's returns. There are plenty of cases of blow-ups but you don't hear it because real estate is a private market unlike the stocks you see on SGX. This is where Blackstone is, that's why you see the high returns.

I could go on and on but this is just a quick overview on PERE. It has close to no bearing on layman real estate investing. The average layman probably invests in a HDB shophouse, or another Condo unit, and that's it. PERE funds buy whole portfolios of office buildings, with a GAV of S$500m each? Very different ballgame.
 
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Are you writing
A blank verse
Poem?

You don't need
So many
Line breaks.

But BBCW is right. Just because something's a long way below its all-time high doesn't mean it's cheap.

We have more perma bulls than bears when it comes to Chinese stocks :). This is true across forums and analyst recommendations. Many fail to realise its not easy to play the "pump and dump" characteristics of the Chinese market. Sentiment changes very rapidly.
 

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Ok so no one actually replied you on this. I can help out on this because I'm practically in the industry and Blackstone just so happen to be my competitor. :s22:

Blackstone is a giant asset manager that specializes in private equity investments - this means buying private companies or if listed, privatize. You will never know if they've had no losses unless you actually know people who:

1. Work in Blackstone
2. Work in any of the LPs that invested in their funds and have visibility on their reporting
3. Work in any of their portfolio companies that went bust :s13:

Blackstone is public listed (BX) but their private funds are a blackhole to the BX unitholders. Their funds' true returns aren't published publicly as they're not legally required to. Psst: if you're resourceful enough, you can find out their Funds' returns, just takes some digging.

So for real estate, it's called PERE in industry parlance: private equity real estate. The high returns they get is due to numerous factors that we as individual investors can't easily achieve:

1. Leverage - They can get preferred lending rates due to their name alone, along with attractive LTV ratios (depends on their mandate tho). And that's just at the asset level (property). At the Fund level, they can still get a working capital/subscription line to further improve IRR, and those lines have pretty low lending rates, ~south of 2%. We can't get these.

2. Tax - In the industry, we have the Big 4 on speed dial and our in-house counsels to help us with any tax changes globally. We always structure our investments for maximum tax efficiency. Individual investors like you and I aren't able to get such treatment unless you have access to a private bank along with a strong corp fin team to help you with tax structuring. The cost to structure the investment itself may put you off.

3. Access - They have wide and deep connections with brokers and other players in general. Their deal teams are strong and they do not have to rely on public deals (EOIs, etc.) - they can do multiple off-market deals. An individual investor can't do that unless you're part of the industry yourself. Few years back when the European banks were shedding their loan books to prepare for Basel III capital requirements, several hedge and PE funds swooped in and gobbled up their books, of which held multiple real estate assets in the PIGS markets. The market recovered fiercely (esp. in Spain), a few of those astute players got huge returns, and their deal teams pocketing million dollar bonuses each. Again, inaccessible for the layman.

4. Risk - Many of Blackstone's PERE Funds have an Opportunistic focus. So in terms of real estate investments, there are only four types of strategies:

(i) Core - Low risk, low return. Basically buying already-built, fully-leased buildings in strong markets at low leverage (30-40%). REITs are concentrated in this market. That's why many of their properties often yield <6%.
(ii) Core plus - Medium risk, medium return. Basically core strategy, but with added leverage. Core plus deals can see LTVs north of 50%.
(iii) Value-add - Mid/high risk, mid/high return. This is what I'm doing. Buying a sh1tty property, turning it around and selling it. Basically, we find properties that are in good locations but are mismanaged or is under-rented, then we spruce it up with AEI, change the tenant mix, and then flip it to core/core plus buyers.
(iv) Opportunistic - High risk, high return. This is what property developers (and Blackstone) do: buying up empty land and building something, then selling it. This can also involve a debt-fund, where you invest in the other side of the capital structure. There are a few mezz debt funds out there, Blackstone has a few. Leverage here is at it's highest, north of 60% easily. That's where you get the juiced up returns - but then again, if it goes wrong, it can wreck your Fund's returns. There are plenty of cases of blow-ups but you don't hear it because real estate is a private market unlike the stocks you see on SGX. This is where Blackstone is, that's why you see the high returns.

I could go on and on but this is just a quick overview on PERE. It has close to no bearing on layman real estate investing. The average layman probably invests in a HDB shophouse, or another Condo unit, and that's it. PERE funds buy whole portfolios of office buildings, with a GAV of S$500m each? Very different ballgame.

Very well explained.
 

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Dear shiny,

I got interested in China A shares etf
Any etf to recommend?
Thanks in advance

I was also looking at JK8.SI - United SSE 50 China ETF
But I Guess this is very illiquid and not reflective of actual China market
Maybe not worth to buy
Any views?
Thanks

You can consider China A50 Index futures listed on SGX. Current level around 13800. Notional value of the contract USD 13800.

You can invest USD 11000 into a fixed income product or FD to earn 2 to 3% pa and remaining USD 2800 towards initial and variation margin for the futures contract.
 
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