Will you support Huawei new OS?

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Microsoft also had significant marketshare (and industry influence) when they started Windows Phone 7. They made it incompatible with the entrenched Windows Mobile 6.x, by the way.

So just because one has "marketshare" does not guarantee new OS success.
 

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Even Huawei said it will failed as Android alternative... wondering why people so excited about it.
 

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I don't think Huawei said it would fail...why would it even want to announce HarmonyOS to the world?

I'm sure within Huawei's products/devices HarmonyOS will see wide use. But on smartphone and tablets it should also be adopted by the big-name China manufacturers like Oppo, Xiaomi and Lenovo for it to be stronger. Otherwise it will meet the same fate as Samsung's Tizen.
 

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No Google services not for me for sure. I don't care how good the hardware is but no software support not going to use it.

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China Mainland can survive without any Google services. I see people around the world will just switch to other alternatives. Those China Apps may have more and more interesting contents to watch anyway. In fact some people like their phone without those Google Bloatware. The loss will definitely come from GOOGLE side.
 
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China Mainland can survive without any Google services. I see people around the world will just switch to other alternatives. Those China Apps may have more and more interesting contents to watch anyway. In fact some people like their phone without those Google Bloatware. The loss will definitely come from GOOGLE side.

That is why they are locked to China and not open up to the world. Without Google services and apps, Singaporean definitely cannot survive.

No banks in Singapore will create a new apps just for the new OS.
 

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let see how they handle mate 30 series >.>

The BBC reports that Google has confirmed that it could not license its Play Services for the Huawei Mate 30. However, Reuters claims that the company will press on with the September 18 announcement regardless.
 

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I don't think Huawei said it would fail...why would it even want to announce HarmonyOS to the world?

I'm sure within Huawei's products/devices HarmonyOS will see wide use. But on smartphone and tablets it should also be adopted by the big-name China manufacturers like Oppo, Xiaomi and Lenovo for it to be stronger. Otherwise it will meet the same fate as Samsung's Tizen.

Why should? And why other makers risks their market share just to support Huawei?
 

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Unless you are applications developer need to test your code under new system. Why take the risk with money and jump in?
 

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That is why they are locked to China and not open up to the world. Without Google services and apps, Singaporean definitely cannot survive.

No banks in Singapore will create a new apps just for the new OS.

Remember pure Android is a public open source freeware, so Trump cannot ban it. Trump can prevent Huawei from installing Google Map, Youtube, Gmail etc in the factory. But Trump can never prevent you from installing those Apps by youself. So actually it could be better, we will likely get Mate 30 without any Google Bloatware.

Do not believe all those western media saying Huawei is doomed without Google. Many people who bought China Phone had their Google Services removed but they have no problem installed back Google Services. No Playstore just install Apps from Huawei Apps store. Even PlayStore also can be installed back. But eventually they realized that they do no need Google services anyway. They can get better alternative from other Apps Store.

Harmony OS will have muliti core, its own core and Android core so it will definitely be compatible with all Android Apps. As Huawei leap forward with more innovative devices (foldable/5G devices etc ), Samsung and Apple technical spec likely will fall behind Huawei starting from Mate 30. Harmony OS likely to gain market share on everything from Washine Machine/TV/Cars OS etc, at that time compatible from Android Apps will no longer essential.
 
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Remember pure Android is a public open source freeware, so Trump cannot ban it. Trump can prevent Huawei from installing Google Map, Youtube, Gmail etc in the factory. But Trump can never prevent you from installing those Apps by youself. So actually it could be better, we will likely get Mate 30 without any Google Bloatware.

Do not believe all those western media saying Huawei is doomed without Google. Many people who bought China Phone had their Google Services removed but they have no problem installed back Google Services. No Playstore just install Apps from Huawei Apps store. Even PlayStore also can be installed back. But eventually they realized that they do no need Google services anyway. They can get better alternative from other Apps Store.

Harmony OS will have muliti core, its own core and Android core so it will definitely be compatible with all Android Apps. As Huawei leap forward with more innovative devices (foldable/5G devices etc ), Samsung and Apple technical spec likely will fall behind Huawei starting from Mate 30. Harmony OS likely to gain market share on everything from Washine Machine/TV/Cars OS etc, at that time compatible from Android Apps will no longer essential.
you don't sound like you understand how the whole AOSP concept and Google apps ecosystem works.

AOSP is free to use but many google apps are not, especially if you install them on a non google certified device. I won't go into details here but if you are thinking that all the google apps will work the same way as it would for phones like xiaomi, then go ahead and get a mate 30x and try doing so. simply put, with AOSP or a custom rom based on AOSP installed, you can definitely download games and other apks onto it and use them, but Google apps running on Google services like YouTube, maps, Gmail is another story altogether, these are not open source programs.

on top of that, prior to the trade ban by big brother, other than the exception of all iOS and BlackBerry devices, only higher end devices from S7 onwards and a couple of models from Huawei procured before the trade ban were able to set up android workspace and be approved for use with enterprise apps. so although my company is paying our mobile plans with yearly handset upgrade, it wouldn't make any sense to get a Huawei device anymore.

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you don't sound like you understand how the whole AOSP concept and Google apps ecosystem works.


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Of course I know Huawei need to be licensed by Google if the phone going to have Youtube etc pre-insalled in factory. You sound like you know alot but you seems not sure about how the markets really works. Will Google really want their Apps removed from Huawei Devices? Google already appealed to Trump anyway.

Many people who got China Mainland Phone and they have no prob installed back the Playstore, Google Map etc. This came from real life experience. So whether Huawei got Google license or not, no big deal. People can still install Google Services anyway afterwards. I am sure Google is happy to let Huawei Users do that.
 
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Of course I know Huawei need to be licensed by Google if the phone going to have Youtube etc pre-insalled in factory. You sound like you know alot but you seems not sure about how the markets really works. Will Google really want their Apps removed from Huawei Devices? Google already appealed to Trump anyway.

Many people who got China Mainland Phone and they have no prob installed back the Playstore, Google Map etc. This came from real life experience. So whether Huawei got Google license or not, no big deal. People can still install Google Services anyway afterwards. I am sure Google is happy to let Huawei Users do that.

Phones in mainland China can still install Google apps without any issue is because Google has never locked their services to these approved devices.

Unlike the Mate 30 which will be ban, Google will disable the services on Mate 30 which will render the phone unable to use any of the app which needs Google services unless Google enabled it.
 

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But Google will stop providing Huawei with access, technical support and collaboration involving its proprietary apps and services going forward, the source said. Huawei has said it has spent the last few years preparing a contingency plan by developing its own technology in case it is blocked from using Android.
 

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Phones in mainland China can still install Google apps without any issue is because Google has never locked their services to these approved devices.

Unlike the Mate 30 which will be ban, Google will disable the services on Mate 30 which will render the phone unable to use any of the app which needs Google services unless Google enabled it.


A lot of model are custom made for China Mainland only, it will never sell to any other countries so I doubt they really got "approved" by Google.


I am not from Google so I cannot comment on whether Google will really block Users around the world from installing Google Services on Huawei Devices. It make no sense for Google to disable it and then let Huawei become a competitor. Google won't risk that. Remember Huawei now already 2nd largest Phone maker in the world. If Oppo, Vivo, Xiaomi and all other China vendor together used Harmony OS, Google will be a gone case as marketshare of Android in the world will drop from current 87% to below 40%. Korea maker also will likely switch to Harmony OS as they want to ensure that they will not become Trump's victim, and to please the huge Chinese markets.

You really think Google can afford to block Huawei and loss Oppo, Vivo and Xiaomi? China Gov can easily set up a new law to ban Google too. Then all China Phone maker have to use Harmony OS. Lets see who can laugh the until the end. Anyway the Android Community or even Google insider will leak work around to unlock the ban.
 
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Of course I know Huawei need to be licensed by Google if the phone going to have Youtube etc pre-insalled in factory. You sound like you know alot but you seems not sure about how the markets really works. Will Google really want their Apps removed from Huawei Devices? Google already appealed to Trump anyway.

Many people who got China Mainland Phone and they have no prob installed back the Playstore, Google Map etc. This came from real life experience. So whether Huawei got Google license or not, no big deal. People can still install Google Services anyway afterwards. I am sure Google is happy to let Huawei Users do that.
at least now with this post it's confirmed that you do not know how Google services work. :s13:

maybe I'll just give you a very simple scenario since you said you speak from personal experience.

everytime you log in or connect to your google account or apps running play services with a new device, noticed it will detect the brand, make, and model of it? so even if you sideloaded the app, and google detects it as a non licensed device or worse still, a company that they are not allowed to deal with, do you think it will still work like the other China mainland phones like you've mentioned when the app can't even connect to google?

sure you can unlock bootloader of phones, root it, install a custom rom and make it reflect as a Samsung Galaxy Note 30 and then install the play store.. but then tell that to most of the average consumers and see if they still keen to buy the phone and go through that process..

oh wait.... Huawei doesn't even allow users to unlock the bootloader of their devices.. rofl.

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A lot of model are custom made for China Mainland only, it will never sell to any other countries so I doubt they really got "approved" by Google.


I am not from Google so I cannot comment on whether Google will really block Users around the world from installing Google Services on Huawei Devices. It make no sense for Google to disable it and then let Huawei become a competitor. Google won't risk that. Remember Huawei now already 2nd largest Phone maker in the world. If Oppo, Vivo, Xiaomi and all other China vendor together used Harmony OS, Google will be a gone case as marketshare of Android in the world will drop from current 87% to below 40%. Korea maker also will likely switch to Harmony OS as they want to ensure that they will not become Trump's victim, and to please the huge Chinese markets.

You really think Google can afford to block Huawei and loss Oppo, Vivo and Xiaomi? China Gov can easily set up a new law to ban Google too. Then all China Phone maker have to use Harmony OS. Lets see who can laugh the until the end. Anyway the Android Community or even Google insider will leak work around to unlock the ban.
anyways.. our posts were made in response to yours claiming how you could just sideload Gapps to the phone and run them normally like any Xiaomi phones could.. not sure why you would suddenly bring in economics and diplomacy related issues in to support your claims. which some doesn't even makes a lot of sense tbh.

do I know how the "markets" work, sort of, since that's partly the industry that I work for. does google want their apps' access to be blocked from Huawei devices? anyone sensible would tell you no, but it's not like they have a choice at this point of time. I'm aware they appealed, and I'd be happy for google and huawei if the appeal is successful, and not surprised if it's not. but that doesn't change the fact that Gapps will miraculously work for Huawei devices just because of these two reasons stated.

you said it makes no sense for google to disable access to Gapps on Huawei devices and let Huawei become a competitor. you made it sound like Google had a choice in doing so. lol.

then your "market" knowledge about the phone devices sales of hw, oppo, xm, etc using harmonyOS together and bringing android market share to below 40%, idk what you've been smoking or which temple you received this prediction from but what I can say is either stop smoking it or change to another temple. Samsung is the number 1 smartphone manufacturer and even their Tizen o/s is failing to gain any traction. and your diplomacy knowledge about Korean manufacturers joining the Chinese phone makers to go against big brother is unlikely going to happen as well because doing so brings no monetary or diplomacy benefits to them.

changing to a whole new o/s doesn't give the korean phone maker any significant benefit or increase at making any sales increase in the Chinese phone buyers market while risking sales around the rest of the world plummeting just like how hw suffered. and being a allied country of big brother with military forces in their country detering military advancement from the north, do you really think the president of ROK will just close one eye and treat it as nothing is happening? :s13:

next time just stick to the topic.. now that you keep trying to add in other off topic "knowledge" to cover your lack of the first, it just exposes everything more.

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Remember pure Android is a public open source freeware, so Trump cannot ban it. Trump can prevent Huawei from installing Google Map, Youtube, Gmail etc in the factory. But Trump can never prevent you from installing those Apps by youself. So actually it could be better, we will likely get Mate 30 without any Google Bloatware.

Do not believe all those western media saying Huawei is doomed without Google. Many people who bought China Phone had their Google Services removed but they have no problem installed back Google Services. No Playstore just install Apps from Huawei Apps store. Even PlayStore also can be installed back. But eventually they realized that they do no need Google services anyway. They can get better alternative from other Apps Store.

Harmony OS will have muliti core, its own core and Android core so it will definitely be compatible with all Android Apps. As Huawei leap forward with more innovative devices (foldable/5G devices etc ), Samsung and Apple technical spec likely will fall behind Huawei starting from Mate 30. Harmony OS likely to gain market share on everything from Washine Machine/TV/Cars OS etc, at that time compatible from Android Apps will no longer essential.

How an OS has multiple core? Guess you think too much.
 

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I use China phone before, if it not support by google, even though you manage to side load google or google service,there is high chance that it will not function as a proper phone, example, I use Nubia or gionee, I manage to install it, but for some reason, the WhatsApp message will stop running in the background, meaning you will not receive any notification of new incoming message or the message will only come in when you open the app, same for email and other stuff
 
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