*Official* Shiny Things club - Part 2

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Okenba

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So we go over this pretty often.
Thank you, then, for taking the time to go over it again. Appreciate. =)

For your cash account, the rule is:
* If you have $1000 a month or more to invest, or you have an account value over $100k: use Stanchart for local stocks, and Interactive Brokers for global stocks (your overseas ETFs);
* If you have less than $1000 a month to invest and your account value is less than $100k: use POSB IS for your local stocks, and Stanchart for your global stocks.
Thank you. Sounds like StanChart might be a decent choice to just put everything in one place...

For the SRS account, they're all equally meh. DBSV is fine.
And I should be able to buy VRWA with that? Just wanted to confirm.
Any better ideas for the money?

You're very well suited for a simple three-fund portfolio like the one we advocate here. It gives you some stock exposure; some global exposure so you're not 100% concentrated in Singapore; and some bond exposure, so you've got some protection if and when stock markets dip. It'll be better than what you suggested - more stable, more diversified, and almost as easy to implement.

I've read a little about the 3 fund portfolio and am curious if our CPF can adequately serve the function of the Bond fund. I see the bond portion as a means to mitigate risk and loss when equities tank, and CPF seems to serve that purpose. Perhaps I'm not seeing the purpose of the Bond portion correctly.
I'm also curious about the need for a local fund as most of us are employed in SG and would already have assets and CPF in SGD. Again, perhaps I do not fully understand the rationale for a local fund.

Which is why I'm only looking to buy a single global ETF, VRWA. Would that be a risky / unwise choice?
 

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Not available to Singaporean investors yet, unfortunately.


None.



Nope, you're doing it fine. There are two things to remember:

1) When you have a balanced stock-and-bond portfolio, your portfolio itself is your war-chest. If bonds are weak, then you'll sell stocks to buy bonds as part of your regular rebalancing; if stocks are weak, then you'll sell bonds to buy stocks. Either way, you end up buying the thing that's cheap and selling the thing that's expensive.

2) The 2008 financial crisis was a once-in-a-lifetime event. If you're waiting for a similar magnitude of crisis before you start buying, you're going to be waiting a long time.

I am tempted to hold off any bond investments till market conditions get worse in a year or so, while saving cash all the time and just buying STI ETF before buying more on the cheap when things crash. As it is, I have read elsewhere that REITS and Singapore Saving Bonds are already too overpriced.

What do you think? Should I still enter the bond market?

Right now, my natural instinct is to adopt a wait and see attitude, while I know rationally I should just be consistent every month rather than timing the market.
 

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I am tempted to hold off any bond investments till market conditions get worse in a year or so, while saving cash all the time and just buying STI ETF before buying more on the cheap when things crash.

You should join the "Bears Den" thread where you can meet like-minded persons who have been focusing on numerous indicators for crash and recession for some time now, the last being the "yield inversion" recession indicator.
 

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Thank you. Sounds like StanChart might be a decent choice to just put everything in one place...

Well, no - if it was, we'd recommend doing that. For small investors, Stanchart is good for international stocks, but there are cheaper options for local stocks (because Stanchart has a ten-buck minimum fee). For large investors, IBKR is cheaper, but it doesn't let you buy Singaporean stocks.

I've read a little about the 3 fund portfolio and am curious if our CPF can adequately serve the function of the Bond fund. I see the bond portion as a means to mitigate risk and loss when equities tank, and CPF seems to serve that purpose.

This is fair. Some people do that (treat their CPF as a bond).

I'm also curious about the need for a local fund as most of us are employed in SG and would already have assets and CPF in SGD.

You're saving up to retire in Singapore, so you want things that will increase in value in line with the Singaporean economy and Singaporean cost of living. And the best thing for that is Singaporean equities, because they tend to grow in line with the Singaporean economy.

You don't want to be all-in on Singapore, because then you'll be missing out on great companies like Apple, Shell, etc. etc. etc. But you also don't want to ignore Singapore entirely - because if Singapore does well, you'll miss out.

cytosine said:
I am tempted to hold off any bond investments till market conditions get worse in a year or so,
You don't know that will happen.

As it is, I have read elsewhere that REITS and Singapore Saving Bonds are already too overpriced.

This isn't true. I don't have a particular opinion on REITs (except that I don't really like investing in real estate at all), but Singapore Savings Bonds aren't "overpriced" at all: they have a price floor at 100. You can always sell them back for the price you paid for them.

Right now, my natural instinct is to adopt a wait and see attitude, while I know rationally I should just be consistent every month rather than timing the market.
So it's natural to be scared of doing new things, but it's the wrong instinct; this is one of those times where primal instincts are wrong, and counterproductive.

And, to be honest, if you're scared to invest now when things are actually pretty good, you're not going to be any less scared when markets are going down. In fact, you'll be even more scared. and you'll never get around to starting.

The trick is just to start. Buy some stocks, then some bonds. You'll get comfortable with it, and you'll get comfortable with investing every month—and then if there's a down month, you'll get the pleasure of buying even more ETF shares for the same amount of money.
 

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If I were to invest in IWDA using IBKR, and if I were to pass away in an accident, will the holdings of IWDA face an estate tax?
 
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Hi all,

I'm wondering about the following about US listed vs LSE listed ETFs. Eg, VTI TER 0.03% vs IWDA 0.2% but VTI has 30% WHT vs IWDA 15%. Also, buying VTI on IB commission is like 0.45 USD vs 1.91 USD for IWDA per trade

My question is how much WHT are we talking about here. Will the 15% difference make up for the difference in TER and commission? What's the % difference we are looking at here? Seems to me it might be closer than expected?

I understand there's estate tax risk for US listed ETF, but let's ignore that risk for now.

Sorry for the noob Q. Thanks!
 

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If I were to invest in IWDA using IBKR, and if I were to pass away in an accident, will the holdings of IWDA face an estate tax?

More precisely, if the decedent resides in or was otherwise taxably connected to a jurisdiction with an estate tax, then there will be an estate tax.

Singapore used to have an estate tax, and maybe it will again in the future. Right now it doesn’t, nor does Ireland (IWDA’s domicile) except for residents of Ireland.
 

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My question is how much WHT are we talking about here. Seems to me it might be closer than expected?

I understand there's estate tax risk for US listed ETF, but let's ignore that risk for now.

Sorry for the noob Q. Thanks!

The WHT differential is 15% of the dividend, and that div is about 2% - so owning the US listing, if you're a Singaporean investor, will cost you about 0.3% per year. That's more than enough to justify buying the UK listings.

For underlyings that don't have dividends (lookin' at you, GLD!), it doesn't matter as much. The estate tax is still an issue, but frankly I think people get overexcited about estate tax.
 

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i realise there are some changes in ibkr recently, a few month nvr checked.

is the monthly fee of 10 usd still applied if below 100,000?

any major changes?

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I’m planning to purchase IWDA through SCB but there are two types of IWDA. One is in LSE and the other is in AMS. Which one should I purchase?
 

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Hi ST, say if I need to rebalance my portfolio, do I

1- Sell my G3B holdings via POSB IS and use the amount to purchase IWDA
2- Stop investing in G3B and channel all the funds to purchase IWDA on monthly/bi-monthly basis?

Or do you have better advise please? :o
 

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Would love everyone's input.
It is recommended to use StanChart for our SG stocks .
However since we are holding our stocks for the long term .

Is it abit risky ?
What if StanChart decides to implement a custodian fee one day?
Then we will have no choice but to be stuck with StandChart .
Unless , we decide to pay and move our stocks to CDP which will incur a free.

Will it be safer to just purchase our stocks with DBSV via cash upfront?
But the fees to sell the stocks will be high .

I am hoping IBKRLite will allow SG users soon :s22::s22::s22:
Thanks !
 

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Would love everyone's input.
It is recommended to use StanChart for our SG stocks .
However since we are holding our stocks for the long term .

Is it abit risky ?
What if StanChart decides to implement a custodian fee one day?
Then we will have no choice but to be stuck with StandChart .
Unless , we decide to pay and move our stocks to CDP which will incur a free.

Will it be safer to just purchase our stocks with DBSV via cash upfront?
But the fees to sell the stocks will be high .

I am hoping IBKRLite will allow SG users soon :s22::s22::s22:
Thanks !

If the time comes, you can either initiate a transfer from SCB to CDP or sell all the shares via SCB and buy again via dbsv , depending on which method is lower cost based on the number of counters and shares you have
 
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