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Hi Senior Bro and Sis,
I'm having dilemma between 2 options below:
1) voluntary housing refund to OA
2) voluntary contribution to all CPF accounts
My MA is full and SA left few k to reach FRS. I have also already RSTU top up 7k to SA as well.
Would like to seek some opinions from experienced senior here which is the better option.
Many thanks.

Are u self employed? If self employed, option 2 will get u tax relief as well.

If employed, option 2 is better if u still have room to do VC. Your VC will go into OA and SA only. Since MA is max, MA allocation will flow into SA provided u do it before your employment CPF hit it to FRS. VC will help u hit SA to FRS faster and compound earlier. VC to grow your SA of course is better than option 1!
 

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Better option for what? What goal(s) are you trying to accomplish? Obviously the yield is higher with option #2, but option #2 isn't the highest available yield on your next dollar of savings even when limiting that dollar to your CPF accounts. The next "few k" deposited into your Special Account offers a higher yield than Option #2, and Option #2 is still available thereafter.

Thanks for the reply.
I'm 38 now. My goal is to have more retirement saving upon reaching age 55 after setting aside FRS. I was wondering which option is better CPF strategy for years down the road by further top up cash into CPF as I'm reaching FRS in SA.
Refund OA aim to reduce the accrued interest where the compound interest is getting scary. I'm not sure if can ignore this after I meet FRS, or just do VC better.
 

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Are u self employed? If self employed, option 2 will get u tax relief as well.

If employed, option 2 is better if u still have room to do VC. Your VC will go into OA and SA only. Since MA is max, MA allocation will flow into SA provided u do it before your employment CPF hit it to FRS. VC will help u hit SA to FRS faster and compound earlier. VC to grow your SA of course is better than option 1!

Thanks for the reply.
I'm currently full time employee. Yeah, I raised my concern in my reply to Bro BBC. I think my dillema is reduce accrued interest or VC to grow both OA/SA?
 

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Thanks for the reply.
I'm currently full time employee. Yeah, I raised my concern in my reply to Bro BBC. I think my dillema is reduce accrued interest or VC to grow both OA/SA?

U dun have to be bothered with accrued interest. U only need to refund to OA with accrued interest when u sell your property if the proceeds are more than that. If the proceeds are less, u dun need to pay back.

Priority should be grow your SA/MA which earn higher interest. Keep the accrued interest for the future, especially after retirement when u have plenty of spare cash to deposit into OA using it as a high interest savings account, your ATM, via that channel (ie refund OA used for housing).

Meaning of accrued interest (CPF OA): if u did not use OA funds to pay for housing, u should have this amt plus amt used for housing with your OA in your OA now. If your property is now worth less than this total, it is an indication your investment in your property using OA was a bad decision.
 
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I'm 38 now. My goal is to have more retirement saving upon reaching age 55 after setting aside FRS. I was wondering which option is better CPF strategy for years down the road by further top up cash into CPF as I'm reaching FRS in SA.
OK, so that's simple: highest yield is what you're looking for. Your SA is still below the FRS, so that's the best available option for your next dollars since they'll earn 4% interest and then boost your future lifetime retirement income. Today (April 29) is a good day to add dollars to your SA via PayNow QR since dollars credited within April will start earning interest from May 1.

Refund OA aim to reduce the accrued interest where the compound interest is getting scary. I'm not sure if can ignore this after I meet FRS, or just do VC better.
After your SA reaches the FRS, and before age 55, the next best choice from a yield point of view is a MediSave top up each January when the Basic Healthcare Sum (BHS) is raised. MediSave Account dollars also earn 4% interest. MA top ups must fit within both the CPF Annual Limit and the BHS, and they are eligible for tax relief in the full amount.

The next best option after that is your Option #2: an "all three account" Voluntary Contribution. That sort of contribution must fit within the CPF Annual Limit ($37,740), and as Maple96 explained it's eligible for tax relief if you're self-employed. Since some of these dollars flow into your SA, the interest rate earned ends up higher than 2.5%.

The least attractive choice in this menu from a yield point of view is repayment of dollars used for OA. OA earns 2.5%, a lower interest rate than all the choices described above. "Accrued interest" simply tracks the maximum amount that would be redeposited into your OA if/when you sell your home from your home's sales proceeds. It's nothing to worry about: the money still comes back to you, in your own OA. And if your home's sales proceeds aren't enough to repay OA plus accrued interest then you're not required to make up the "gap." Keep it simple, though, because it is: these dollars earn 2.5%. That's a lower interest rate than all of the other options described above, so if it's higher yield you want (and that's what you've explained), this'd be your last CPF choice.

....A slight "footnote" here. If you want to deposit more than the "few K" you describe, then there's a slightly better option potentially available. Let's suppose there's $8K remaining below the Full Retirement Sum and you'd like to deposit $10K total, today. Here's what you could do:

(a) Transfer $8K from your OA to your SA;
(b) Make an "all three" Voluntary Contribution of $10K using PayNow QR.

I think this works a little better all around. OA to SA transfers start earning 4% SA interest backdated to the first day of the month when you make the transfer, so in this case from April 1 (instead of May 1) if you make the transfer today. Transfers also give you a little more flexibility at age 55+ in terms of withdrawal choices. Which probably won't matter at all, but it doesn't hurt.

The only "catch" is that you need more room below the CPF Annual Limit to pull this off, because your "all three" VC must fit within the CPF Annual Limit. If you don't have that much room then you can do something like (example) $3K straight into SA, $5K transferred from OA to SA, and $7K as an "all three" VC.
 
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if I want to use my bro's PSEA account for uni fees, do I have to top up into his CPF account in the future?
 

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$3.6k? I spend less than $600 a month... :(

Got another $6k in my Edusave which will be transferred to CPF at 30 years old... :(

No house, wife and kids... :(

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it is very difficult for an independent adult to survive on just 600 a month.

on that sum, it is quite likely that your parents are paying for the utilities, food, groceries, handphone bill.....

emergency fund should be able to cover these expenses. hence i believe your 3.6k is not enough to cover for 6 months during an emergency.
 
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it is very difficult for an independent adult to survive on just 600 a month.

on that sum, it is quite likely that your parents are paying for the utilities, food, groceries, handphone bill.....

emergency fund should be able to cover these expenses. hence i believe your 3.6k is not enough to cover for 6 months during an emergency.
Nope. I pay all these myself. All within $600.

I give my parents $700 a month for rent and utilities. If unemployed, they are ok with me paying since its symbolic.

$600 is possible if you are willing to lower your quality of life.

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Nope. I pay all these myself. All within $600.

I give my parents $700 a month for rent and utilities. If unemployed, they are ok with me paying since its symbolic.

$600 is possible if you are willing to lower your quality of life.

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i dont understand. if you pay parents 700 a month, your 600 a month emergency funds is enough?
 

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that means if you lose your job, your parents will pay the utilities and no rent.

is this model sustainable. you expect the parents to be your emergency backstop your life?

if i were you, i will keep an emergency that is 1.3k for 6 month. in other words, if i lose my job, i am sustain myself and do not allow my parents to suffer.
 

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in sg a meal of chicken rice with coffee is already $4

times 3 meals and 30 days a month it is already 360.

240 to survive on the rest is really a bare min.

of course, if i have a billionaire dad, then the story is different.

this is wat i meant that 600 is not enough for an independent adult. the cost goes down a lot if parents covers for everything
 
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that means if you lose your job, your parents will pay the utilities and no rent.

is this model sustainable. you expect the parents to be your emergency backstop your life?

if i were you, i will keep an emergency that is 1.3k for 6 month. in other words, if i lose my job, i am sustain myself and do not allow my parents to suffer.
That's the whole point of staying with parents.

I sacrifice my freedom and ego to divert more money towards investment.

If you want freedom and/or ego, you have to be willing to set aside a bigger emergency fund the cover your rent.

Its cost and benefits. If I have to pay my parents even when I am unemployed, why do I even have to stay with them in the first place?

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in sg a meal of chicken rice with coffee is already $4

times 3 meals and 30 days a month it is already 360.

240 to survive on the rest is really a bare min.

of course, if i have a billionaire dad, then the story is different.

this is wat i meant that 600 is not enough for an independent adult. the cost goes down a lot if parents covers for everything
I can easily survive on $10 for food.

Food - $310
Transport - $100
Insurance - $10
Phone - $40

Still got $140 more for misc stuff.

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That's the whole point of staying with parents.

I sacrifice my freedom and ego to divert more money towards investment.

If you want freedom and/or ego, you have to be willing to set aside a bigger emergency fund the cover your rent.

Its cost and benefits. If I have to pay my parents even when I am unemployed, why do I even have to stay with them in the first place?

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the point is not freedom and ego. the point is responsibility.

i stayed with my parents when i was much younger. the reasons is not because i dont care about freedom. i care for my parents.

now my mom is retired. so i dont have to give her allowance if i lose my job? so i should kick her out of my house now?

like i said, kids these days are taking many things for granted
 
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the point is not freedom and ego. the point is responsibility.

i stayed with my parents when i was much younger. the reasons is not because i dont care about freedom. i care for my parents.

now my mom is retired. so i dont have to give her allowance if i lose my job? so i should kick her out of my house now?

like i said, kids these days are taking many things for granted
Of course! She should be responsible for her own retirement and you have zero income.

Its not like you are earning money and don't want to give her.

Its also not like she don't have money and you don't want to give her.

My parents are financially secured and my family emphasis relationships over money. If I earn more, I give more. If I make nothing, I give nothing. A reasonable thing to do.

My take home is only $2k. I give $700 is 30% of my pay. A more than reasonable sum as a symbolic gesture.

I think your family and you should learn that filial piety is not shown only by giving money.

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