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limster

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Yup correct. Nv touch.


If stocks have easily more than >10% upside, its worth it to touch CPFSA for short-term gains and then take profit and go back to earning 4%.

I ran out of cash during the last GFC near the bottom, so I used CPF-SA to buy First State Bridge. Took 15% profit after a few months. :s13:
 

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Prulink Emerging Market Fund
Prulink Global Technology Fund
Prulink Singapore Growth Fund - switch out
Using CPF

Thinking of switching to Poems/ FSM1 but can't invest in global tech :(

Are these unit trusts purchased as Investment-Linked Insurance Products (ILPs) directly from Prudential using CPF-OA monies?

And you can't invest in global tech because you want to use CPF-OA money? I think in the past CPF Board allowed CPF-OA money to be used to purchase global tech unit trusts; but now they don't allow (because they realized that people could actually make more money investing than keeping the money in CPF-OA).
 

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Got proof to this? Don’t spread fake news leh

Evidence: Many of the unit trusts that give annualized rate of return significantly above 4% p.a. (i.e. almost guaranteed to outperform the CPF-SA interest rate in the long-term) that were offered on the CPFIS are no longer available for CPF investment using CPF-OA. Just check the old factsheets which showed that CPF-OA could be used. Now the current factsheets for these unit trusts state that only cash or SRS can be used for the investment.
 

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Evidence: Many of the unit trusts that give annualized rate of return significantly above 4% p.a. (i.e. almost guaranteed to outperform the CPF-SA interest rate in the long-term) that were offered on the CPFIS are no longer available for CPF investment using CPF-OA. Just check the old factsheets which showed that CPF-OA could be used. Now the current factsheets for these unit trusts state that only cash or SRS can be used for the investment.
That's your conjecture. Where is it stated that they don't allow it because of "they realized that people could actually make more money investing than keeping the money in CPF-OA".

How are you sure it is not because of some other reasons?

By saying this you are putting words into CPFB mouth you know. don't fake news
 

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Evidence: Many of the unit trusts that give annualized rate of return significantly above 4% p.a. (i.e. almost guaranteed to outperform the CPF-SA interest rate in the long-term) that were offered on the CPFIS are no longer available for CPF investment using CPF-OA. Just check the old factsheets which showed that CPF-OA could be used. Now the current factsheets for these unit trusts state that only cash or SRS can be used for the investment.

You forgot a few key element here:
1. You pay one time service charges for the UT. Some bank took 3% some 1%. It varies. Given the 4% p.a payout for example. Your first year earning may be 1%.
2. Some bank also charge annual or quarter to maintain your UT. It cam be anywhere from 0.2% to 1%.
3. CPF pay you compunded intereat. ie interest to accumulate interest. SA account as per my understanding is 4% and +1% for firat $30k (need to varify this).
4. No risk on CPF vs risk rating of above 4 based on MAS. This means if company burst, you get nothing and you loss all your principal too.
Only down side is SA account will get converted to RA by the time you reach age 55. So different is if you take UT as long term saving for retirement, then the clear choice is CPF. For short term case, even UT market price remain unchanged, you should be looking at around 3 to 5 years to realize good gain. It can be much longer if UT has dropped below the price thatyou jump in.

If you compare UT with CPF OA account, then story change. But not to forget OA currently is 2.5% interest and 3.5% for fisrt $x.
 
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That's your conjecture. Where is it stated that they don't allow it because of "they realized that people could actually make more money investing than keeping the money in CPF-OA".

How are you sure it is not because of some other reasons?

By saying this you are putting words into CPFB mouth you know. don't fake news

CPF is a good saving vehical if you think of long term especially retirement. Almost no risk for Singapore case unless we have a government change or spent all the reserved.

I would not say the same if this is Malaysia or Taiwan.
 

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CPF is a good saving vehical if you think of long term especially retirement. Almost no risk for Singapore case unless we have a government change or spent all the reserved.

I would not say the same if this is Malaysia or Taiwan.

Quote me for?
 

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Evidence: Many of the unit trusts that give annualized rate of return significantly above 4% p.a. (i.e. almost guaranteed to outperform the CPF-SA interest rate in the long-term) that were offered on the CPFIS are no longer available for CPF investment using CPF-OA. Just check the old factsheets which showed that CPF-OA could be used. Now the current factsheets for these unit trusts state that only cash or SRS can be used for the investment.

Obviously you don't know enough about CPFIS, there has been changes to cap the amount of fees that these investment vehicles can charge for CPFIS. If you cannot meet the lower cap then you will not longer qualify for CPFIS. It was on the news, just Google if you don't know.
 

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You forgot a few key element here:
1. You pay one time service charges for the UT. Some bank took 3% some 1%. It varies. Given the 4% p.a payout for example. Your first year earning may be 1%.
2. Some bank also charge annual or quarter to maintain your UT. It cam be anywhere from 0.2% to 1%.
3. CPF pay you compunded intereat. ie interest to accumulate interest. SA account as per my understanding is 4% and +1% for firat $30k (need to varify this).
4. No risk on CPF vs risk rating of above 4 based on MAS. This means if company burst, you get nothing and you loss all your principal too.
Only down side is SA account will get converted to RA by the time you reach age 55. So different is if you take UT as long term saving for retirement, then the clear choice is CPF. For short term case, even UT market price remain unchanged, you should be looking at around 3 to 5 years to realize good gain. It can be much longer if UT has dropped below the price thatyou jump in.

If you compare UT with CPF OA account, then story change. But not to forget OA currently is 2.5% interest and 3.5% for fisrt $x.
1. FSM, POEMS, Dollardex charge ZERO sales charges. Why you use banks?
2. Dollardex, POEMS charge ZERO platform fees. Choose the right platform.
3. I don't understand your point. The returns on unit trust is also compounded.
4. Unit trust does not buy 1 company stock. Your CPF is managed by 1 party.

You keep talking about the additional 1% but CPFIS can only use funds that doesn't earn this additional 1% so what are you going on about? Apple to apple comparison please.
 

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1. FSM, POEMS, Dollardex charge ZERO sales charges. Why you use banks?
2. Dollardex, POEMS charge ZERO platform fees. Choose the right platform.
3. I don't understand your point. The returns on unit trust is also compounded.
4. Unit trust does not buy 1 company stock. Your CPF is managed by 1 party.

You keep talking about the additional 1% but CPFIS can only use funds that doesn't earn this additional 1% so what are you going on about? Apple to apple comparison please.

CPF - Bank for CPFIS - Platform (Poems/ FSM1 etc)
Bank is for transaction
Platform is for executing the trade
 

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Are these unit trusts purchased as Investment-Linked Insurance Products (ILPs) directly from Prudential using CPF-OA monies?

And you can't invest in global tech because you want to use CPF-OA money? I think in the past CPF Board allowed CPF-OA money to be used to purchase global tech unit trusts; but now they don't allow (because they realized that people could actually make more money investing than keeping the money in CPF-OA).

Yes, brought Prudential using CPF-OA. (I brought long time ago)
Yea, I think CPF board change it.
The reason, I think because global tech is under high risk and narrowly focus.
 

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CPF - Bank for CPFIS - Platform (Poems/ FSM1 etc)
Bank is for transaction
Platform is for executing the trade

No, he mentioned buying unit trusts from banks which can be done but is stupid to do so.
 

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Obviously you don't know enough about CPFIS, there has been changes to cap the amount of fees that these investment vehicles can charge for CPFIS. If you cannot meet the lower cap then you will not longer qualify for CPFIS. It was on the news, just Google if you don't know.

There are 2 separate charges:
1. Sales Charge & Wrap fee reduction:
https://www.cpf.gov.sg/members/News/news-categories-info/news-releases/2354 Implementation: Oct 2018.
https://www.cpf.gov.sg/members/News/news-categories-info/news-releases/2368 Implementation: Oct 2020.

2. TER reduction.
https://www.cpf.gov.sg/Assets/membe...NANDADMISSIONCRITERIAFORFUNDSMANAGEDBYFMC.pdf
Sep 2019.
Active Funds. Page 4:
Higher Risk: 1.75%
to
Lower Risk: 0.35%
Passive Funds: Page 5.
 

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Why so much mention of inferior options but not endowus?

Exclusive access to Sp500 and global stock index passive funds, full trailer fee rebates, no withdrawals or sales charges, lower agent bank charges.

If you want to do cpf investing no fight endowus is the best.

You forgot a few key element here:
1. You pay one time service charges for the UT. Some bank took 3% some 1%. It varies. Given the 4% p.a payout for example. Your first year earning may be 1%.
2. Some bank also charge annual or quarter to maintain your UT. It cam be anywhere from 0.2% to 1%.
3. CPF pay you compunded intereat. ie interest to accumulate interest. SA account as per my understanding is 4% and +1% for firat $30k (need to varify this).
4. No risk on CPF vs risk rating of above 4 based on MAS. This means if company burst, you get nothing and you loss all your principal too.
Only down side is SA account will get converted to RA by the time you reach age 55. So different is if you take UT as long term saving for retirement, then the clear choice is CPF. For short term case, even UT market price remain unchanged, you should be looking at around 3 to 5 years to realize good gain. It can be much longer if UT has dropped below the price thatyou jump in.

If you compare UT with CPF OA account, then story change. But not to forget OA currently is 2.5% interest and 3.5% for fisrt $x.
 
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