Chee Hong Tat: the govt can't continue to increase transport subsidies, a fiscal burden on sinkies

[starmerck]

Slash mayors' celery then got money for transport subsidies lor

Slash mayors' celery then Denise Phua how?

 

[UptheToon]

Every thing use taxpayer money to feed the Jlb at the top. When run low, increase all the cost.

While you have idiots earning 660k per annum for years and no one has a clue those roles even existed.

Totally no accountability in anything they do when considering oil prices have been low for so long.

 

[AZE]

You have to blame stupid laws. In another words, sg is not ready for 3 door design on a tri axle bus.

Do know how many laws have to be excluded in order for these design to be on the roads? Even when it's on the roads, it faced many issues because the laws were there for a reason as it governs the design of the infrastructure and hence the vehicle.

Just a comparison, a full fledge 3 door double deck bus in Europe is longer than 13.4m and left hand drive. Want to have this design, major reforms are needed.

Bendy buss ish 18m long.

 

[tatsit]

What do you propose... it is known that infrastructure investment is for the peak hours. If we reduce off-peak frequency to match demand, like HK did, the interval could be 20 to 35 minutes per bus, sometimes an hour like 74D.

But we are doing this for the commuters who work retail hours, and for the old folks who can now get a seat and lots of space during this shoulder of peak periods. The focus is different. When bus fares could cover costs, life as definitely not as rosy as now when it comes to taking buses. Should we go back to those days? That was how our earlier generations survived.

Look at the COVID frequencies in Hong Kong at tail end of 4th wave. Do we want to go back to profit oriented public transport systems? Can tahan?

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Perhaps the solution is beside of HK. In SZ.

Frequency based public buses in city, on demand service in suburb or last mile.

Also, you do not need full 12m bus during off peak. Under utilize, inefficient.

It makes sense to use big data to analyze and tackle the demand.

 

[tatsit]

Bendy buss ish 18m long.

Articulated is different. If it is rigid 18m, then i see how you turn the bus.

But anyway, articulated bus is entering extinction in sg. 40 of them left.

Articulated bus design is the most efficient. Unfortunately, authorities don't see it.

 

[SMLJMIW]

privatising profits, socialising costs

Pruss huan. That's what our globalist masters want

 

[espenlind]

Don't subsidized lor, just throw all the money on Ceca.

 

[curahee]

Some of u who are biz leaders will probably understand that some cost functions are difficult to bring down, ie hc, salary increment, bonuses... Hence it's critical for biz directors to figure out innovative ways n means to drive revenue numbers up. Many ways to skin a cat - acquiring your rivals mkt share, new product offerings, mgm, pricing mgmt to increase vol... Basic principles in managing a profitable business for the long haul.
Sadly, for decades, it feels that our politicians love to embark on the easy way out - tax the people to drum up their revenue numbers.

Their whole life never work in the outside world before. I doubt they understand.


Read HWZ Forum Rules!

 

[AZE]

Technically speaking, using subsidies to subsidies the transport companies in order to reduce fares ish inefficient.

There are those that do not take public transport, some that needs to but wants to gosh green and walk/cycle, or wanted to save $$$ sho chose to walk, some that WFH.

A better way ish to allow the fares to increase, then direct targeted subsidies at the those in need. This should not be a one time thingie, and should be revised yearly.

E.G.
Give households/income/age bracket specific transport subsidies on top of other subsidies. Or if the subsidies are already included in other forms rike "in the name" of GST vouchers for budgeting purposes, that could be further broken them down to achieve more directed and efficient transfers of benefits.
The households that hab/own cars should not get those subsidies.

Thus those that actually chose to walk/cycle/WFH/save $$$, received the most benefits, those that took public transport and qualify for benefits used them up, and those that are rich enough to own cars don't get any(promoting car lite as well).

 

[Kain999]

How can they anyhow choose and divide profits and loss in this manner instead of looking at it as a whole?

Those feeder services are required to connect the passengers to the other services where they make money. Plus MRT lease out shop spaces that benefit from the commuters. All these profits they earn and just keep quiet.

Trying to find ways to increase fares only. The parts where they lose money they cry father cry mother say cannot lose money. The parts they earn monies that is more than enough to offset the losses they diam diam pretend is not related.

**** PAP

 

[tamago_]

Perhaps the solution is beside of HK. In SZ.

Frequency based public buses in city, on demand service in suburb or last mile.

Also, you do not need full 12m bus during off peak. Under utilize, inefficient.

It makes sense to use big data to analyze and tackle the demand.

SZBG operations is not much different from HK, and people from both sides know each other very well.

The unions itself is already so different that what can be done in HK cannot be achieved in SZ yet.

If we don’t need 12-metre buses during off-peak, it means we have to buy an additional fleet of smaller buses just to operate during off-peak hours? Cos these small buses would hardly be enough for peak hour usage! It would be a waste of manpower.

Big data would come if all of us are enrolled in a MaaS scheme, which would be able to recommend the best travel mode for your journey. But it is very likely that in a dense city like ours, they will just tell you to take trains or buses the usual way, and try to travel during off-peak hours. Things we already know.

 

[AZE]

SZBG operations is not much different from HK, and people from both sides know each other very well.

The unions itself is already so different that what can be done in HK cannot be achieved in SZ yet.

If we don’t need 12-metre buses during off-peak, it means we have to buy an additional fleet of smaller buses just to operate during off-peak hours? Cos these small buses would hardly be enough for peak hour usage! It would be a waste of manpower.

Big data would come if all of us are enrolled in a MaaS scheme, which would be able to recommend the best travel mode for your destination. But it is very likely that in a dense city like ours, they will just tell you to take trains or buses the usual way, and avoid off-peak hours. Things we already know.

Maybe they should try to reorg and reoptimise bus routes, combine some routes.
E.g. hab two buses on same start to end point, one move though all bus stops even in remote areas, the other only moves through densely packed stops(operational only during peak hours).

 

[tamago_]

Some of u who are biz leaders will probably understand that some cost functions are difficult to bring down, ie hc, salary increment, bonuses... Hence it's critical for biz directors to figure out innovative ways n means to drive revenue numbers up. Many ways to skin a cat - acquiring your rivals mkt share, new product offerings, mgm, pricing mgmt to increase vol... Basic principles in managing a profitable business for the long haul.

Sadly, for decades, it feels that our politicians love to embark on the easy way out - tax the people to drum up their revenue numbers.

When SMRT was trying to earn more money to supplement its revenue, people complained that they are profiteering off the people.

It can only get worse when the Govt has in charge. It would have to be very cautious in being innovative in this aspect. That’s the difference between a privately-run and a public-run system.

 

[Ubi-Warrior]

Not sure about MRT but our bus services are based on bid for routes one.
So once these bus companies are awarded the route, all they need to do is to provide the drivers and the service. The rest all paid for by the govt - includes the actual purchase of buses. Unless the bus company cock up by bidding wrongly, there should be no loss for them one.

Hard Contract System Rules!!

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[Ubi-Warrior]

When SMRT was trying to earn more money to supplement its revenue, people complained that they are profiteering off the people.

It can only get worse when the Govt has in charge. It would have to be very cautious in being innovative in this aspect. That’s the difference between a privately-run and a public-run system.

SMRT reduce maintenance n focus on retail within the MRT stations

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[tamago_]

Maybe they should try to reorg and reoptimise bus routes, combine some routes.
E.g. hab two buses on same start to end point, one move though all bus stops even in remote areas, the other only moves through densely packed stops(operational only during peak hours).

Can, but whenever you reorg bus routes, there will always be some people affected. It is not always possible to pacify all of them.

This has made route amendments very difficult. But new routes and route extensions are always welcome.

A similar concept is the Fast Forward service we have in Singapore now. In HK, such arrangements are commonplace. The bus driver would just paste a notice at the windscreen to say that this trip is skipping certain stops and passengers would know what to do. The red minibus drivers would simply ask if anyone wants to alight at a particular place, if no one raised their voice then it would just skip it. Passengers love it cos it saves them time.

 

[tamago_]

SMRT reduce maintenance n focus on retail within the MRT stations

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You see... you get what you wish for. The thing is, they could have done both right. It’s not like they can turn marketing geniuses into engineers overnight. Now we end up between a rock and a hard place. A train company spending all its money conscientiously on maintenance but not knowing how to generate revenue to fund these maintenance costs.

 

[Optionstrader]

lol this the joker isnt it

 

[SpecialKeyboardService]

See lah. Now people uplorry on track.
Another reason increase the fare.....

 

[qwerty_hippo]

really remind of a story book called animal farm