[GVGT] Camcar video of Katong incident

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Stupid driver cause lives. Everyone knows it, the law knows it, the penalties spell it. Likewise stupid cyclist cause lives too. Fee free to disagree too

not going to disagree about the cyclist costing people's lives. But usually stupid cyclists pay with their own lives.

Since you mention penalties...imo, particularly those resulting in fatalities, for drunk driving and rash driving is far too light for my taste.

 

[moonlighter_sg]

ya, there are always crazy drivers out there too. bound to see them, regular roads or expressways, at least once a week if one drives daily. so where are all these crazy drivers when you want to matchmake them with these tour de mandai idiots...

devils meet the devils... let them fight!

 

[aspenco]

devils meet the devils... let them fight!

haha

 

[begintoend]

i never said the cyclist is an angel..

the majority of the people out there are just blasting the cyclist left and right. I think there is no need to provide another similar view. It is like a raindrop in an ocean.

stupid cyclist causes annoyance but stupid drivers cost lives. Feel free to disagree.

Your statement is that ok to annoy road users becos they dun cost lives.

Do they wanna admit their actions will cost them their lives too?
They will only think that stupid motorist has to take care of us cyclist...
It has never been the other way round.

 

[begintoend]

Since you mention penalties...imo, particularly those resulting in fatalities, for drunk driving and rash driving is far too light for my taste.

Not arguing that penalties are light for rash driving in accidents.
drink driving is fairly heavy, with or without accidents,

cyclist can drink and ride and not get into anything
u know? who check?

Jus saying, a cyclist involved in an accident where motorist tried to avoid and died.
wat do you think the penalty for the cyclist will be?

I actually wanna say
cyclists are never appreciative that they can use the roads.
They should be, 1st and foremost before being self entitled since hardly any rules are on them.

 

[Dilemma6]

i never said the cyclist is an angel..

the majority of the people out there are just blasting the cyclist left and right. I think there is no need to provide another similar view. It is like a raindrop in an ocean.

stupid cyclist causes annoyance but stupid drivers cost lives. Feel free to disagree.

lol let me one up you and say all leisure cyclist on the road are selfish *******s.
ALL cyclist on the road causes annoyance and slow down other people.
why should you have the right to enjoy your hobby at the inconvenient of other people's lives?

Why cannot go PCN and ride? why must cycle on the road?

As long as you are cycling on the road, it is an annoyance because every single vehicle passing you have to go to the next lane to overtake.
The only cyclist i am ok on the road are grabfood riders but usually they are faster than the average TDF cyclist

Dont travel on the road and expect people to slow down and share so you can enjoy this stupid hobby.
Feel free to disagree.

 

[LWZ]

I can watch a 10-hour version of the clip starting from 2:40.

stahhhhp !!! wats ur problem !!!!!! stahppp !!!! stahhhhhhhhp !!!!

 

[Ambergris]

Yes, if she never hold on tightly, there is a chance she will fell off the bonnet. The car could have run over her.
She has no brain to risk her life for such trivial quarrel.

Yes, see how she panicked and shouted to stop when her "heroic" threat doesn't work, it's really hilarious!

 

[likehotbutter]

ok…1.5m allowance is not enshrined in law or rules or whatever u wanna call it to make it look or feel important.

it is a goddamn GUIDELINE

Technically a vehicle is not supposed to overtake at a zebra crossing slip road, 1.5 m or not

Road Traffic Act (Pedestrian Crossing Rules), ”11. -(1) The driver of a vehicle shall not, while the vehicle or any part thereof is in a zebra controlled area and is proceeding towards the zebra crossing in relation to which that area is indicated, cause the vehicle or any part thereof - (a) to pass ahead of the foremost part of another moving vehicle proceeding in the same direction wholly or partly within that area”

 

[Ambergris]

clever driver will just stay in the car. call police to settle. In the end, only the cyclist kenna fine. Too bad, the driver fell for the bait trap.

Not so clever, before the police come, the cyclists already run road already, then have to call police again to cancel it. SPF will take it as a prank call.

 

[Ambergris]

Technically a vehicle is not supposed to overtake at a zebra crossing slip road

Road Traffic Act (Pedestrian Crossing Rules), ”11. -(1) The driver of a vehicle shall not, while the vehicle or any part thereof is in a zebra controlled area and is proceeding towards the zebra crossing in relation to which that area is indicated, cause the vehicle or any part thereof - (a) to pass ahead of the foremost part of another moving vehicle proceeding in the same direction wholly or partly within that area”

That is true if one considered a bicycle a vehicle. But how many cyclists overtake cars on those slip roads when cars are slowing down at the pedestrian crossing? Are they law abiding in the first place or are they selective law abidance? This leaves a lot to say about them.

Anyway, I will call that road sharing, just like those lane splitting, don't see what's the problem.

 

[Maaasa]

ok, pavement cyclist here. I know a lot of you are driving and you hate it when you see cyclist leisurely exercising when u rushing from place to place.

The cyclist is definitely no angel but all of you were talking like the driver is faultless.

Let me provide a few points and you all think about it.

1) Should the driver even overtake the bicycle at the left-turn?

Was the cyclist going straight?
If you ever ride a bicycle on the road in your life, a considerate cyclist has two make 2 choices
Choice 1: Stick to the left as much as you could. You would be considerate to drivers who are overtaking you. But you run the risk of getting your front wheel stuck in drainage covers, and you definitely going to get injured badly.

Choice 2: "Take" the lane, i.e. go towards the centre of the lane and force the vehicle behind you to wait or change lane.

There is a very strong likelihood that the cyclist is turning left and not going straight as some of you guessed.
If I am going straight, I would not have kept that close to the left.

Was the driver right in overtaking the bicycle, even if it had kept to as right to the lane as possible while it turned?
Without being familiar with that road, you can't tell if the driver was passing too close to the cyclist.
a) When you ride a bicycle, and your turn left, you will definitely go slightly to the right due to centrifugal force. At the pace she is riding, I think it is very very likely she was turning as the driver pass her.
b) The dash cam does not cover the angle when the cyclist was overtaken
c) The width of the car (continental cars)
d) The speed of the car as it overtake the bicycle

Would you, as a driver, overtake a very slow motorcyclist during a left turn?
I doubt it right? So why expect differently from a cyclist?

do you have a license to be on the road regularly? cyclists and motorcyclists always squeeze past cars to get ahead. drivers are not allowed to overtake them when they are slow?

1 lane width is definitely wide enough for cars to overtake most bikes.

A considerate cyclist will never be on the road from 0600hrs to 2200hrs.

 

[sacrificium]

Really？I saw the cyclist entered the left turn slip road first. Her first wheel already crossed the line.

Meaning she was thinking she has the right of path, since it is a single lane, with the 1.5 m rule protecting her safety.

The car is not supposed to overtake her ideally. She has the reason to be mad.

But in reality, I observed most drivers don't follow 1.5m rule. Just overtake as long as it is safe to do so.

Tiagong the cyclist studied law... so very law abiding person. She cannot tolerate others who is not following the law.

Hmm, means if once I started walking on the left turning lane, the whole lane belongs to me and faster vehicles cannot overtake even if it is safe to do so?

 

[sacrificium]

I think driver is going to jail, it’s wrong to drive off with a person standing in front of your car no matter what, she could have killed her.

Hmm, if a rioter jumps onto your car and road rage, would you not want to get out of it asap? I think all responsible citizens should voice out to prevent road rage. We never know when we could be a victim of one.

 

[begintoend]

That is true if one considered a bicycle a vehicle. But how many cyclists overtake cars on those slip roads when cars are slowing down at the pedestrian crossing? Are they law abiding in the first place or are they selective law abidance? This leaves a lot to say about them.

Anyway, I will call that road sharing, just like those lane splitting, don't see what's the problem.

Also
traffic lights red, no pedestrian crossing but all cars stop, jus waiting for the light to turn green
BUT champion road cyclist will chiong the red becos NO PEDESTRIAN is CROSSING!!!

asking cyclists to abide by simple rules is really too difficult.
It is easier to hope for pep guardiola or 10hag to grow hair on their heads.

 

[likehotbutter]

They should be, 1st and foremost before being self entitled since hardly any rules are on them.

But there is an entire Road Traffic Act including specific Bicycle Rules governing them

Where got no rules?

A drink driving cyclist on the road will also get charged btw

 

[begintoend]

But there is an entire Road Traffic Act including specific Bicycle Rules governing them

Where got no rules?

A drink driving cyclist on the road will also get charged btw

of course u cannot ride under influence

Hmmm...
even ranjiao drivers DUI
do the cyclist know and practice that?
I have seen enough to know

 

[likehotbutter]

That is true if one considered a bicycle a vehicle. But how many cyclists overtake cars on those slip roads when cars are slowing down at the pedestrian crossing? Are they law abiding in the first place or are they selective law abidance? This leaves a lot to say about them.

Anyway, I will call that road sharing, just like those lane splitting, don't see what's the problem.

A bicycle is considered a vehicle in the eyes of the law

Which is why they are managed under vehicular rules of the Road Traffic Act, even with their own specific section

But yes, just as there are a **** ton of drivers who have no clue of the law, there are also a **** ton of cyclist who are equally clueless

Feel free to call them out and report when u see them

 

[likehotbutter]

of course u cannot ride under influence

Hmmm...
even ranjiao drivers DUI
do the cyclist know and practice that?
I have seen enough to know

if u catch a drunk cyclist on the road

I suggest u call the cops on him, also post the video on sg roads vigilante to hoot them gao gao

 

[maikumgong]

Technically a vehicle is not supposed to overtake at a zebra crossing slip road, 1.5 m or not

Road Traffic Act (Pedestrian Crossing Rules), ”11. -(1) The driver of a vehicle shall not, while the vehicle or any part thereof is in a zebra controlled area and is proceeding towards the zebra crossing in relation to which that area is indicated, cause the vehicle or any part thereof - (a) to pass ahead of the foremost part of another moving vehicle proceeding in the same direction wholly or partly within that area”

All I see is vehicle here and there. How can a vehicle overtake another vehicle at a zebra crossing slip road. Cannot i know