[GVGT] Camcar video of Katong incident

[d5dude]

Yes, if she never hold on tightly, there is a chance she will fell off the bonnet. The car could have run over her.
She has no brain to risk her life for such trivial quarrel.

She must have thought the driver wouldnt dare to drive off with her standing in front of the car, but she was wrong.

 

[moonlighter_sg]

law abiding my foot. Can stop the car in the middle of the road and hop on bonnet. That’s a nuisance and should be sent to jail.

clever driver will just stay in the car. call police to settle. In the end, only the cyclist kenna fine. Too bad, the driver fell for the bait trap.

 

[moonlighter_sg]

She must have thought the driver wouldnt dare to drive off with her standing in front of the car, but she was wrong.

The driver must me thinking.... try me lah... I drive jiu drive... Both are so naive.

 

[lbs]

ok, pavement cyclist here. I know a lot of you are driving and you hate it when you see cyclist leisurely exercising when u rushing from place to place.

The cyclist is definitely no angel but all of you were talking like the driver is faultless.

Let me provide a few points and you all think about it.

1) Should the driver even overtake the bicycle at the left-turn?

Was the cyclist going straight?
If you ever ride a bicycle on the road in your life, a considerate cyclist has two make 2 choices
Choice 1: Stick to the left as much as you could. You would be considerate to drivers who are overtaking you. But you run the risk of getting your front wheel stuck in drainage covers, and you definitely going to get injured badly.

Choice 2: "Take" the lane, i.e. go towards the centre of the lane and force the vehicle behind you to wait or change lane.

There is a very strong likelihood that the cyclist is turning left and not going straight as some of you guessed.
If I am going straight, I would not have kept that close to the left.

Was the driver right in overtaking the bicycle, even if it had kept to as right to the lane as possible while it turned?
Without being familiar with that road, you can't tell if the driver was passing too close to the cyclist.
a) When you ride a bicycle, and your turn left, you will definitely go slightly to the right due to centrifugal force. At the pace she is riding, I think it is very very likely she was turning as the driver pass her.
b) The dash cam does not cover the angle when the cyclist was overtaken
c) The width of the car (continental cars)
d) The speed of the car as it overtake the bicycle

Would you, as a driver, overtake a very slow motorcyclist during a left turn?
I doubt it right? So why expect differently from a cyclist?

 

[lbs]

2) When the dash cam was at 14:26:52, there was a conversation going on between the parties. Suddenly the video was cut to 14:27:54. What was said / happened during that one minute?

3) In 00:030-32, the cyclist began to move to the right of the camera, and the driver began moving forward and then turning right. A thud sound could be heard. Whether the driver purposefully did that to hit the bicycle, or to avoid going into the left lane, nobody knows.


4) at 00:39, the driver claim that the cyclist hit her car. Since this is off camera, again, it is anyone's guess. Did the cyclist hit the car before the driver moved, or did the driver moved her car and hit the cyclist in the process?

5) But my biggest misgiving is this. The driver challenged the cyclist to call the police, and at 1:02 drove forward towards the cyclist even when she was already standing clearly in front. This was repeated from 1:40.
If you challenge someone to call the police, wouldn't the expected behavior to wait at the scene?
Why are you driving off?

6) Would you drive off, and worse, even turn left when someone is clinging onto your bonnet for dear life?
Given the way this person spoke with zero anxiety to the passerby towards the end of the video, along with the points mentioned above, I think it is too early to call this driver an angel.

 

[runningman.snsd]

ok, pavement cyclist here. I know a lot of you are driving and you hate it when you see cyclist leisurely exercising when u rushing from place to place.

The cyclist is definitely no angel but all of you were talking like the driver is faultless.

Let me provide a few points and you all think about it.

1) Should the driver even overtake the bicycle at the left-turn?

Was the cyclist going straight?
If you ever ride a bicycle on the road in your life, a considerate cyclist has two make 2 choices
Choice 1: Stick to the left as much as you could. You would be considerate to drivers who are overtaking you. But you run the risk of getting your front wheel stuck in drainage covers, and you definitely going to get injured badly.

Choice 2: "Take" the lane, i.e. go towards the centre of the lane and force the vehicle behind you to wait or change lane.

There is a very strong likelihood that the cyclist is turning left and not going straight as some of you guessed.
If I am going straight, I would not have kept that close to the left.

Was the driver right in overtaking the bicycle, even if it had kept to as right to the lane as possible while it turned?
Without being familiar with that road, you can't tell if the driver was passing too close to the cyclist.
a) When you ride a bicycle, and your turn left, you will definitely go slightly to the right due to centrifugal force. At the pace she is riding, I think it is very very likely she was turning as the driver pass her.
b) The dash cam does not cover the angle when the cyclist was overtaken
c) The width of the car (continental cars)
d) The speed of the car as it overtake the bicycle

Would you, as a driver, overtake a very slow motorcyclist during a left turn?
I doubt it right? So why expect differently from a cyclist?

Will you be her defending lawyer? Or are you in the same law firm as her?

 

[aspenco]

Yes, i am still driving ignoring the 1.5m crap rule. I find it very troublesome to filter to next lane to overtake a bicycle. This is very stupid guideline.

You aren't alone my friend. Ask around people u know or friends who have been driving to work daily for years. Most will say its mind boggling and unbelievable how pappies, together with the brightest civil servants whom they hired, can come out with such rules and impose upon drivers to share the lane with cyclists when most of our road lanes are less than 3.5m in width.

 

[drkcynic]

Driver won't be penalized too harshly.

They will see social status, career, motivation, situation etc.

Likely 2 weeks jail, a fine and 24 months kantong license is my guess.

 

[lbs]

Will you be her defending lawyer? Or are you in the same law firm as her?

no, but I find it both amusing and sad that most people are so blinded by anger to think critically.

 

[moonlighter_sg]

2) When the dash cam was at 14:26:52, there was a conversation going on between the parties. Suddenly the video was cut to 14:27:54. What was said / happened during that one minute?

3) In 00:030-32, the cyclist began to move to the right of the camera, and the driver began moving forward and then turning right. A thud sound could be heard. Whether the driver purposefully did that to hit the bicycle, or to avoid going into the left lane, nobody knows.


4) at 00:39, the driver claim that the cyclist hit her car. Since this is off camera, again, it is anyone's guess. Did the cyclist hit the car before the driver moved, or did the driver moved her car and hit the cyclist in the process?

5) But my biggest misgiving is this. The driver challenged the cyclist to call the police, and at 1:02 drove forward towards the cyclist even when she was already standing clearly in front. This was repeated from 1:40.
If you challenge someone to call the police, wouldn't the expected behavior to wait at the scene?
Why are you driving off?

6) Would you drive off, and worse, even turn left when someone is clinging onto your bonnet for dear life?
Given the way this person spoke with zero anxiety to the passerby towards the end of the video, along with the points mentioned above, I think it is too early to call this driver an angel.

The driver definitely not an angel. This is what can happen when two 八婆 met on a road. 冤家路窄。

 

[progene]

So what is the outcome of this. Any update?

 

[alexsoon1984]

The ideal way is to stay inside the car, keep honing at her. Then when traffic built up, all the drivers also will join in hone at her. Keep hone till police come, the bigger the congestion the better. Then if got snack and beverages inside the car, just take out and start eating like in a cinema while letting siao cyclist perform.

 

[moonlighter_sg]

You aren't alone my friend. Ask around people u know or friends who have been driving to work daily for years. Most will say its mind boggling and unbelievable how pappies, together with the brightest civil servants whom they hired, can come out with such rules and impose upon drivers to share the lane with cyclists when most of our road lanes are less than 3.5m in width.

In reality, I will sure get honked from the car behind, if I drive slowly behind the bicycle without overtaking due to not enough safety distance of 1.5m clearance. All drivers on the roads are not angels.

 

[Forever84]

The ideal way is to stay inside the car, keep honing at her. Then when traffic built up, all the drivers also will join in hone at her. Keep hone till police come, the bigger the congestion the better. Then if got snack and beverages inside the car, just take out and start eating like in a cinema while letting siao cyclist perform.

Unfortunately she rushing for class, think someone shared she teach cooking classes

really wrong place wrong time la

meet this cyclist who want moral high ground.

 

[maikumgong]

like I said motor vehicles and bicycle have co-existed for the longest time. Longer than those wannabe spandex took over the scene.

why werent there so many outrage between the 2 in the past. You could argue it may be due to social media. But you cant deny that there were many dispute going on recently and the cyclist were not penalised which led to today’s dilemma.

The solution is to set a clear signal, cyclist on the road will be held equally responsibilities for any misdeed.

It is knowing about the consequences of one’s action that keep human behaving as it should. There are laws prohibiting motorists, thereby preventing accidents. Likewise why can’t it be imposed to the cyclist on the road?

 

[GarnetDragon]

Cyclist version of carplate plucking Karen ❓️

Read HWZ Forum Rules!

 

[begintoend]

no, but I find it both amusing and sad that most people are so blinded by anger to think critically.

nope
i think everyone concur driver will get penalised for her rash act driving off
everyone knows she did a wrong dumb move
we are jus not bothered wat sentence she gonna get for that

but i think those defending cyclist never once mentioned her road rage and road bullying.
jus like you?

 

[lbs]

nope
i think everyone concur driver will get penalised for her rash act driving off
everyone knows she did a wrong dumb move
we are jus not bothered wat sentence she gonna get for that

but i think those defending cyclist never once mentioned her road rage and road bullying.
jus like you?

i never said the cyclist is an angel..

the majority of the people out there are just blasting the cyclist left and right. I think there is no need to provide another similar view. It is like a raindrop in an ocean.

stupid cyclist causes annoyance but stupid drivers cost lives. Feel free to disagree.

 

[maikumgong]

i never said the cyclist is an angel..

the majority of the people out there are just blasting the cyclist left and right. I think there is no need to provide another similar view. It is like a raindrop in an ocean.

stupid cyclist causes annoyance but stupid drivers cost lives. Feel free to disagree.

Stupid driver cause lives. Everyone knows it, the law knows it, the penalties spell it. Likewise stupid cyclist cause lives too. Fee free to disagree too

 

[aspenco]

In reality, I will sure get honked from the car behind, if I drive slowly behind the bicycle without overtaking due to not enough safety distance of 1.5m clearance. All drivers on the roads are not angels.

ya, there are always crazy drivers out there too. bound to see them, regular roads or expressways, at least once a week if one drives daily. so where are all these crazy drivers when you want to matchmake them with these tour de mandai idiots...