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Hedge funds boosted their bearish bets on Chinese and Hong Kong stocks. Short interest has increased this month pretty much across sectors, according to data compiled by Morgan Stanley. Among the prominent names, the pickup in short interest in PDD, an e-commerce company, stood out. Outflows from active long-only managers also continued, strategists including Gilbert Wong wrote in a report.

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go go go
short more please
CSRC has checked with several major brokers over the past weeks about the short-selling activities of their quant clients
"They want to know the logic of the trading, the source of the profit, and the reason behind buy and sell orders," the source said.
 

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SHANGHAI - As China's stock market struggles to recover, regulators have started to probe some hedge funds and brokerages on quantitative trading strategies amid a growing outcry against a sector able to profit from share price falls and volatility, sources said. The China Securities Regulatory Commission (CSRC) has checked with several major brokers over the past weeks about short-selling activities and trading strategies of their quant clients - funds that trade rapidly using derivatives and data-driven computer models, two people with direct knowledge of the probe said. Separately, the Shanghai and Shenzhen stock exchanges, under the CSRC's guidance, have sought information from major quant funds on their money-making strategies, another source said. "They want to know the logic of the trading (strategy), the source of the profit; under which situation you hold net long, or net short positions ... and the reason behind buy and sell orders," the source said.

The sources declined to be named as they are not authorised to speak to media. The CSRC and the bourses didn't respond to requests for comment.

Global quant fund houses including Winton and Two Sigma have operations in China, but it's not clear if the foreign players are being probed.




The latest regulatory scrutiny comes after a slew of market-friendly measures - including a stamp duty cut - failed to drive a sustainable rally in a struggling market that is down roughly 5% year-to-date.




The weakness has triggered finger-pointing in social media, as well as criticism from fund managers and retail investors against these quant funds and short sellers.

The CSRC had earlier this month vowed to increase scrutiny over programme trading, and some fear fresh probes could lead to tighter regulations on short-selling and certain financing activities by hedge funds. The regulatory review is not without precedent. During China's 2015 market crash, Beijing almost shut down the index futures market and blamed shortsellers for the turmoil. PROBE Quant funds in China exceeded 1.08 trillion yuan ($147.94 billion) at the end of 2021, nearly doubling in size from a year earlier, according to a report compiled by institutions including Huatai Securities. Some of China's biggest quant funds include High-Flyer Quant Investment, Yanfu Investments LLC and Shanghai Minghong Investment Management Co.

A better understanding of various quant strategies may lead to regulators curbing those that contribute to market volatility, said one of the brokerage sources. Short-selling activities by quant funds could also be caught in the crossfire, he said.




"Brokerages in China are more willing to lend securities to quants for shortselling due to their active trading and commission contributions. But it's unfair to other market players who hardly have access to securities lending," said Yuan Yuwei, fund manager at Water Wisdom Asset Management.

The regulatory inquiry is still in its early stage and no conclusion has been made, three of the sources said.

LEVERAGED BETS Regulators have also asked for data around Direct Market Access (DMA), sources said. Through DMA, hedge funds in China can borrow money from brokerages to fund leveraged bets. Borrowing $1 only requires a minimum of 25 cents in deposits. "DMA easily raises eyebrows as it involves high leverage, and allows quant funds to make a lot of money," said a brokerage source. Another brokerage source said the CSRC asked them to elaborate on the size of their quant clientele and whether quant trading had impacted recent stock market. Yang Tingwu, vice general manager of asset manager Tongheng Investment, supports tighter rules for quant funds, arguing many Chinese quants make lucrative bets on poorly managed companies based on momentum signals, rather than fundamentals. Quant strategy is a neutral tool, but "in China, it's being used to provide liquidity to the bad guys," he said, referring to listed firms with poor governance.

($1 = 7.3002 Chinese yuan renminbi)



(Reporting by Shanghai Newsroom; Editing by Shri Navaratnam)
 

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SHANGHAI - As China's stock market struggles to recover, regulators have started to probe some hedge funds and brokerages on quantitative trading strategies amid a growing outcry against a sector able to profit from share price falls and volatility, sources said. The China Securities Regulatory Commission (CSRC) has checked with several major brokers over the past weeks about short-selling activities and trading strategies of their quant clients - funds that trade rapidly using derivatives and data-driven computer models, two people with direct knowledge of the probe said. Separately, the Shanghai and Shenzhen stock exchanges, under the CSRC's guidance, have sought information from major quant funds on their money-making strategies, another source said. "They want to know the logic of the trading (strategy), the source of the profit; under which situation you hold net long, or net short positions ... and the reason behind buy and sell orders," the source said.

The sources declined to be named as they are not authorised to speak to media. The CSRC and the bourses didn't respond to requests for comment.

Global quant fund houses including Winton and Two Sigma have operations in China, but it's not clear if the foreign players are being probed.




The latest regulatory scrutiny comes after a slew of market-friendly measures - including a stamp duty cut - failed to drive a sustainable rally in a struggling market that is down roughly 5% year-to-date.




The weakness has triggered finger-pointing in social media, as well as criticism from fund managers and retail investors against these quant funds and short sellers.

The CSRC had earlier this month vowed to increase scrutiny over programme trading, and some fear fresh probes could lead to tighter regulations on short-selling and certain financing activities by hedge funds. The regulatory review is not without precedent. During China's 2015 market crash, Beijing almost shut down the index futures market and blamed shortsellers for the turmoil. PROBE Quant funds in China exceeded 1.08 trillion yuan ($147.94 billion) at the end of 2021, nearly doubling in size from a year earlier, according to a report compiled by institutions including Huatai Securities. Some of China's biggest quant funds include High-Flyer Quant Investment, Yanfu Investments LLC and Shanghai Minghong Investment Management Co.

A better understanding of various quant strategies may lead to regulators curbing those that contribute to market volatility, said one of the brokerage sources. Short-selling activities by quant funds could also be caught in the crossfire, he said.




"Brokerages in China are more willing to lend securities to quants for shortselling due to their active trading and commission contributions. But it's unfair to other market players who hardly have access to securities lending," said Yuan Yuwei, fund manager at Water Wisdom Asset Management.

The regulatory inquiry is still in its early stage and no conclusion has been made, three of the sources said.

LEVERAGED BETS Regulators have also asked for data around Direct Market Access (DMA), sources said. Through DMA, hedge funds in China can borrow money from brokerages to fund leveraged bets. Borrowing $1 only requires a minimum of 25 cents in deposits. "DMA easily raises eyebrows as it involves high leverage, and allows quant funds to make a lot of money," said a brokerage source. Another brokerage source said the CSRC asked them to elaborate on the size of their quant clientele and whether quant trading had impacted recent stock market. Yang Tingwu, vice general manager of asset manager Tongheng Investment, supports tighter rules for quant funds, arguing many Chinese quants make lucrative bets on poorly managed companies based on momentum signals, rather than fundamentals. Quant strategy is a neutral tool, but "in China, it's being used to provide liquidity to the bad guys," he said, referring to listed firms with poor governance.

($1 = 7.3002 Chinese yuan renminbi)



(Reporting by Shanghai Newsroom; Editing by Shri Navaratnam)
As much as we normal investors don't like short sellers but we cannot deny the fact the activities of such short sellers create volume and traffic for the counter. So to say short selling is illegal is a bit too drastic. Such checks will only put China markets even further down as those shortist left. Are the number of genuine buyers and sellers enough to create volume and traffic ? Same story for leverage or margin trades, they create volume and traffic. Hmmm
 

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As much as we normal investors don't like short sellers but we cannot deny the fact the activities of such short sellers create volume and traffic for the counter. So to say short selling is illegal is a bit too drastic. Such checks will only put China markets even further down as those shortist left. Are the number of genuine buyers and sellers enough to create volume and traffic ? Same story for leverage or margin trades, they create volume and traffic. Hmmm
can do a dramatic short squeeze and burn those short sellers also.

See who got more cash to play? Lol
 

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It's difficult to predict the market. Japan real estate bubble burst in the 1990s and it took decades to recover. US subprime crisis took more than a year to recover. As for China, it's more complicated. It real estate bubble + de-risking. HK is inseparable from China.
 

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As much as we normal investors don't like short sellers but we cannot deny the fact the activities of such short sellers create volume and traffic for the counter. So to say short selling is illegal is a bit too drastic. Such checks will only put China markets even further down as those shortist left. Are the number of genuine buyers and sellers enough to create volume and traffic ? Same story for leverage or margin trades, they create volume and traffic. Hmmm
Those V-shaped bounce? Short sellers create the first half downslope, to scare ppl to sell. The method is to issue negative news and rumours publicly only after shorting secretly.
 

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Ok... here's comes the most important moment in China stocks history.

How the offshore CNH currency and CN/HK stocks react from here will be important. Do they think we have reached peak official US Fed funds rate?
 

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Ok... here's comes the most important moment in China stocks history.

How the offshore CNH currency and CN/HK stocks react from here will be important. Do they think we have reached peak official US Fed funds rate?
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received this yesterday
not sure if This is what is happening now
 

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HK CE John Lee said yesterday that the task force is working day and night on measures to increase the liquidity of the HK #stockmarket.
Councilor Robert Lee says members are considering ideas on listing reforms and transaction costs, stimulus will be out soon. 🇭🇰
 

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received this yesterday
not sure if This is what is happening now
This is typical pattern of Chinese traders. Someone spread it to create buying after shortsellers already fully shorted then switch to net long. Rumors are likely to be false. But you notice the market should be going up now. So it fits my theory because these rumors only come out after heavy shorting.
 

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This is typical pattern of Chinese traders. Someone spread it to create buying after shortsellers already fully shorted then switch to net long. Rumors are likely to be false. But you notice the market should be going up now. So it fits my theory because these rumors only come out after heavy shorting.

*China major indices rebound and look set to close higher for lunch break*

■ Foreign investors buy net worth 4.7 billion yuan this morning. Among which, over 3.3 yuan is for SZSE listed shares

lets see
 

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Big reversal up today!!!!

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Chinese indices extended the rally this afternoon. Shanghai Composite Index $SHCOMP closes up by 1.5%, and Shenzhen Component Index closes up by about 2%. The northbound capital added up to over 10 billion yuan.

#China’s credit investors are snapping up bonds issued in its most indebted provinces, encouraged by signs that Beijing will help local governments clean up a mountain of borrowings. Bond sales jumped in August to the 2nd highest on record at 640bn ($88bn)
 
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China will pursue SSMB synchrotron radiation (the ring accelerator) to produce multi-kilowatt EUV for next-gen lithography machines. If successful, this leapfrogs current-gen ASML EUV lithography machines (using tin plasma discharge radiation).

Currently the only other method to produce multi-kilowatt EUV is through the linear accelerator-based free electron laser (FEL).

For those who are interested in the technical progress:
https://www.slkoric.com/other-else-55208/572657.html
https://www.euvlitho.com/2021/S34.pdf

ASML will try to upgrade their machines to reach kW levels in their next iteration of EUV machines via the same tin plasma discharge mechanism, but it will be limited to single digit kilowatt power target.

The race for EUV at kW power target is on. Who gets there first with highest beam power at the lowest running cost? Electrical power is becoming one of the largest manufacturing input cost variable at <5nm lithography resolution.
 
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Sifu master Leong so funny’. 9000 shares of Alibaba hk and 40 shares of sea limited



The way he say huat, machiam got 900,000 shares of Alibaba hk and 100,000 shares of Sea. 40 shares of sea huat simi
 

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Sifu master Leong so funny’. 9000 shares of Alibaba hk and 40 shares of sea limited



The way he say huat, machiam got 900,000 shares of Alibaba hk and 100,000 shares of Sea. 40 shares of sea huat simi

That is about S$133K in baba? So much money, if up a little above the price he bought will huat.
 

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Sifu master Leong so funny’. 9000 shares of Alibaba hk and 40 shares of sea limited



The way he say huat, machiam got 900,000 shares of Alibaba hk and 100,000 shares of Sea. 40 shares of sea huat simi

Basically, he made money, but gave back alot of it to the market.
Anyone can make money... but can they avoid giving back their gains?
 
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