1Gbps Fibre fast enough?

[soreloser]

Is 1Gbps fast enough or should i go for 2? I'm still using an old contract and its about $20 a month. Recently seeing the prices on ISP sites and they are all $40+ even for the 1Gbps plans

 

[Apparatus]

Depending on which ISP is providing the 1Gbps. It's stated in the FAQ of the different ISPs

M1 is pretty slow from 885 to 900 Mbps

SH is faster from 890 to 957 Mbps

MR and Singtel can give 900+ Gbps

So for the higher speeds just multiply accordingly and you'll get the expected speed lor. M1 is definitely with lower speed

 

[xiaofan]

Is 1Gbps fast enough or should i go for 2? I'm still using an old contract and its about $20 a month. Recently seeing the prices on ISP sites and they are all $40+ even for the 1Gbps plans

What is your current ISP?
Since you have a pretty good deal with your 1Gbps plan, you can continue with your current plan. 1Gbps is sufficient for most use cases for home users now.

FYI, WC 2.5Gbps and SIMBA 2.5Gbps plan are at S$21.80 per month now. Both have some disadvantages (WC is using ONR and aggregated 2.5Gbps, SIMBA is using CGNAT) compared to M1/Starhub 1Gbps plan but there may be better 2.5Gbps plans coming out later.

 

[soreloser]

Starhub. Really cant complain since the prices are good. I have a grudge with SIMBA since they are very shady with their mobile plans and deducted from bank accounts w/o asking. They even have an area in their app where they allow users to input money but unable to withdraw

 

[xiaofan]

Starhub. Really cant complain since the prices are good. I have a grudge with SIMBA since they are very shady with their mobile plans and deducted from bank accounts w/o asking. They even have an area in their app where they allow users to input money but unable to withdraw

You are the lucky one as you only need to pay S$20+ for Starhub 1 Gbps plan. Just be happy with it then. No need to look for a new plan any time soon since you are happy with the current plan.

 

[kappak]

can wait till 2030 already. 10Gbps will be the ceiling speed.

SINGAPORE — Online surfing is expected to get faster, with Singapore enabling mass market access to faster broadband speeds by 2030 to support emerging technology such as artificial intelligence (AI). Ooi Boon Keong/TODAY Singapore's nationwide broadband network will be upgraded to speeds of up to 10 Gbps by 2030.16 Feb 2024

 

[jrwong84]

More than enough 15mins can download 150gb steam files.

 

[bert64]

Unless you are routinely downloading large files and have appropriate multi-gigabit network interfaces, 1gbps (or even 500mbps) will be more than adequate.

For most typical use cases latency is far more important than peak throughput - eg when browsing a website your browser will request a large number of small files (the page itself, scripts, css files, images etc) and may make lots of different connections to different sites to retrieve these files. Each file itself is quite small, so most of the time will be spent doing a DNS lookup, making the connection, handshaking SSL, sending the request etc. Actually receiving data is a very tiny fraction of this.

Also sites which use newer protocols (TLSv1.3, HTTP3 etc) will generally handshake faster and thus load much more quickly.

Latency also matters most for gaming and video/voice calling. Throughput does not matter over a certain (usually very low - eg 3mbps for zoom) threshold.

Video streaming will not benefit from higher bandwidth or better latency so long as you have enough to handle the stream. Netflix for instance recommends at least 15mbps per 4k stream, so long as you can sustain 15 * number of users + some spare you don't benefit from higher throughput.

Plus if you're using wireless rather than wired ethernet it's likely your wireless (signal strength, congestion in the vicinity, distance/obstacles from access point etc) will be the bottleneck - wireless connections are only going to be able to exceed gigabit speeds under pretty optimal circumstances and using the latest equipment.

Your connection will only be as fast as the slowest link in the chain, no advantage having a 1gbps connection if your wireless can only sustain 500mbps etc.

 

[lobukong]

People cannot consume the data fast enough already. It's not like people can watch 10 videos at the same time. For games that can be downloaded in 15min, most people may take forever to actually play through chapter 1.

If you go to a buffet, what's the difference if they offer 10bowls of rice vs 20 bowls of rice when you can only finish 1 bowl? Then if you want to eat 10 bowls of lobster, then you'll find out the buffet is actually a lie.

 

[Plastick]

ran out of contract on a old 1gbps singtel plan with old equipment + voice + mioTVbox. pricing is bad without contract.

now looking for get a new minimalist contract with voice. seeing so many new plans with all the higher ceiling ones which seems very overkill. any recommendation?

 

[xiaofan]

ran out of contract on a old 1gbps singtel plan with old equipment + voice + mioTVbox. pricing is bad without contract.

now looking for get a new minimalist contract with voice. seeing so many new plans with all the higher ceiling ones which seems very overkill. any recommendation?

M1 500Mbps (without router) or 1Gbps (with free router TP-Link Archer AX72 or Asus RT-AX3000P), free digital voice.

If you go with M1 500Mbps, you can get TP-Link Archer AX72 BNIB at around S$80 from Carousell.

 

[Plastick]

M1 500Mbps (without router) or 1Gbps (with free router TP-Link Archer AX72 or Asus RT-AX3000P), free digital voice.

If you go with M1 500Mbps, you can get TP-Link Archer AX72 BNIB at around S$80 from Carousell.

thank you sir.

 

[sglandscape]

People cannot consume the data fast enough already. It's not like people can watch 10 videos at the same time. For games that can be downloaded in 15min, most people may take forever to actually play through chapter 1.

If you go to a buffet, what's the difference if they offer 10bowls of rice vs 20 bowls of rice when you can only finish 1 bowl? Then if you want to eat 10 bowls of lobster, then you'll find out the buffet is actually a lie.

sometimes a it's about the peak speed instead, you rather have a higher burst rate so you get things done quickly when needed. Most people would hardly saturate a 1Gbps connection most of the time anyway

 

[xiaofan]

From the following.
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/...epublic-and-vq.6930337/page-91#post-151448625

1Gbps is sufficient for most use cases.

However, people may go to 10Gbps plan for different reasons.
1) tech savvy and want to try new things, it has become much more affordable now.
2) the contents and/or WiFi 7 router bundle from Starhub may make the 10Gbps plan cheaper than 1Gbps plan for Starhub users to who need the bundled contents or want to upgrade to WiFi 7 router.
3) have real needs for 10Gbps bandwidth -- only minorities among the users who subscribe to 10G plans.

 

[lobukong]

sometimes a it's about the peak speed instead, you rather have a higher burst rate so you get things done quickly when needed. Most people would hardly saturate a 1Gbps connection most of the time anyway

Will you install a bigger pipe for your washing machine so that it can have a higher burst rate so it can get washing done more quickly when needed?

 

[xiaofan]

> 3) have real needs for 10Gbps bandwidth -- only minorities among the users who subscribe to 10G plans.

A few possibilities. There will be more use cases in the future.
1) People who really download a lot
2) Content creators who need to upload contents to multiple sites, or need to upload files to collaborators to carry out video editing
3) host servers for other people to access the contents (eg: Linux ISO mirrors)

 

[sglandscape]

Will you install a bigger pipe for your washing machine so that it can have a higher burst rate so it can get washing done more quickly when needed?

Actually yes, if I were living in an apartment complex, a bigger pipe can serve more households running their easing machined and doing their laundry at the same time. If not maybe the building would have low pressure when this happens.

With GPON, your bandwidth is also shared, it's not dedicated bandwidth for you.

 

[lobukong]

Actually yes, if I were living in an apartment complex, a bigger pipe can serve more households running their easing machined and doing their laundry at the same time. If not maybe the building would have low pressure when this happens.

With GPON, your bandwidth is also shared, it's not dedicated bandwidth for you.

Your analogy will make more sense if the title asks "50Mbps Fast Enough?"

 

[sglandscape]

Your analogy will make more sense if the title asks "50Mbps Fast Enough?"

Not quite true?

Do you game? Do you do Windows updates? Do you download Linux isos? Do you sync your files to onedrive or Google drive?

I've found having a 1Gbps vs previously a 100mbps connection made a huge difference. With most computers coming with an SSD these days, having a burstable speed of up to 10Gbps is much appreciated.

A game download could easily exceed 100GB. A holiday trip shot in raw would easily be 100GB, backup of 4K footages would also easily exceed 100GB for a single trip. These are not even power users usage. Look at the demand for 1TB capacity smart phones these days.

 

[everex]

I have always subscribed to M1 1Gbps, and no idea how 500Mbps is good or sufficient enough for household of 4, and just need for 2 desktop PC, 2 laptops and 4 mobile devices, plus two smart TVs. Usually just use for Netflix, Zoom calls and browsing plus occasional download of files. Not gaming online.

Anyone of you have tried downgrading from 1Gbps plan down to 500Mbps and was there any noticeable change or downgrade in performance?

Thanks in advance.