New 10Gbps/5Gbps/6Gbps/3Gbps XGS-PON based plans

[trenzterra]

Interesting that you mention that Singtel HB810 has SpeedTest function, where do you see the info? Thanks. I was under the impression that EB810v and HB810 are too customized so that they may lose quite some features of the normal Archer WiFi 7 routers like Archer BE800.

What about TP-Link Archer BE805 for MR users? -- hopefully MR BE805 users can chime in and reply.

As for VLAN 1091, it may still be useful for those who use Starhub TV+ Box -- probably more priority than if you do not use VLAN 1091. Not so sure about this.

https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/tp-link-hb810-be22000-wifi-7-router-users.7003498/

I saw it from a screenshot here. But I haven't tried to set it to AP mode to see if I can get the same speedtest. I suspect not...

 

[trenzterra]

Is the 10G eb810v router connected to your PC with 10G NIC. If yes, then just go to the website and do the test

I have no 10G NIC... not enough pcie slots and no tb on my ryzen 5800 too

 

[xiaofan]

Smart Connect is not all roses

https://www.digitalcitizen.life/smart-connect/

Speedtest can be done at the following

https://resi10g.speedtest.starhub.com/10G

Just wondering if anyone has really successfully using the Starhub provided SpeedTest site and get a meaningful result of about 8.2Gbps.

@Henry Ng shared a good article about 10Gbps SpeedTest from OOkla. The article was written in 2019 and browsers max out at about 3Gbps. As per Henry he could get about 5Gbps now from browser based OOkla SpeedTest. But he can get about 8.2Gbps from OOkla app.
https://www.ookla.com/articles/10-gbps-speedtest

Thanks. I meant to test from the router itself cos I don't have any 10g devices atm

Take note this will get you speed like 8.2Gbps as the CPU (as well as the whole router as a system) is too weak to get that kind of result. Still it may give you some hint whether the WAN connection is potentially good or not.

 

[Apparatus]

Just wondering if anyone has really successfully using the Starhub provided SpeedTest site and get a meaningful result of about 8.2Gbps.

@Henry Ng shared a good article about 10Gbps SpeedTest from OOkla. The article was written in 2019 and browsers max out at about 3Gbps. As per Henry he could get about 5Gbps now from browser based OOkla SpeedTest. But he can get about 8.2Gbps from OOkla app.
https://www.ookla.com/articles/10-gbps-speedtest



Take note this will get you speed like 8.2Gbps as the CPU (as well as the whole router as a system) is too weak to get that kind of result. Still it may give you some hint whether the WAN connection is potentially good or not.

I have posted my test results using the SH website 10G test earlier mah

 

[Apparatus]

I have no 10G NIC... not enough pcie slots and no tb on my ryzen 5800 too

I thought I posted a link previously when someone mentioned he's using AMD and was asking whether it supports TB3? The article said AMD does support TB3. You can check up my earlier post, read the article and decide yourself whether to buy the 10G ethernet adapter

 

[xiaofan]

I have posted my test results using the SH website 10G test earlier mah

Sorry I missed that. Could you please post again? Thanks.

 

[trenzterra]

I thought I posted a link previously when someone mentioned he's using AMD and was asking whether it supports TB3? The article said AMD does support TB3. You can check up my earlier post, read the article and decide yourself whether to buy the 10G ethernet adapter

My desktop has no USB4, and therefore no TB3 also.

Only my wife laptop has USB4. the question is whether it's worth paying 300 dollars just to test whether I can get 8gbps+ speed... and not 100% guaranteed that it's compatible.

 

[Apparatus]

Sorry I missed that. Could you please post again? Thanks.

 

[xiaofan]

Nice. Thanks for the help.

Starhub must have done some magic here to get browsers to work with the test.

 

[Apparatus]

My desktop has no USB4, and therefore no TB3 also.

Only my wife laptop has USB4. the question is whether it's worth paying 300 dollars just to test whether I can get 8gbps+ speed... and not 100% guaranteed that it's compatible.

Idk, based on the SH trooper test results when he came to install and test the eb810v router for you will do lor. Until the next time when you have a 10G device then you can do the test again

 

[trenzterra]

Idk, based on the SH trooper test results when he came to install and test the eb810v router for you will do lor. Until the next time when you have a 10G device then you can do the test again

Yup. The trooper only had a 1gbps capable NIC on his ThinkPad so it's a mystery what's my max real world speed now. Haha.

 

[Apparatus]

Yup. The trooper only had a 1gbps capable NIC on his ThinkPad so it's a mystery what's my max real world speed now. Haha.

If you have the eb810v router with the 10G subscription plan then it's SH resposibility to show you that the router can output 10G

You can reject if that trooper cannot show you that on the spot. Wondering how you can accept a 1G test result from a 10G router.

Call SH and explain what happened. Ask them to send someone down to test the 10G result for you to see

 

[chercm]

is Starhub 10Gb stable ? anything like VQ kept going down ?

 

[endrue]

I see. You can keep using your existing Asus routers in the 10G setup, not as the main router though since GT-AX6000 is only good for 2.5Gbps plan.

1) You can also continue with Singtel if that is your choice.

Singtel ZTE XGS-PON ONR 10G port -- HB810 in AP mode (Singtel setup) -- first wireless SSID
Singtel ZTE XGS-PON ONR 1G port -- GT-AX6000 in AP mode, main AImesh node -- second wireless SSID
Singtel ZTE XGS-PON ONR 1G port -- Asus AImesh mesh node, RT-AX55
Singtel ZTE XGS-PON ONR 1G port -- Singtel TV box (if you intend to get SingtelTV).

2) You can also choose to go with Starhub which uses ONT.

Starhub Nokia XGS-PON ONT -- EB810v as main router (Starhub setup, first SSID)
EB810v 2.5G LAN port -- Asus GT-AX6000 2.5G WAN port in AP mode, AImesh main node, second SSID
EB810v 2.5G LAN port -- Asus RT-AX55U AImesh mesh node

3) With Starhub, you can also choose to upgrade to Asus 10G capable router in the future and use single wireless SSID. But take note 10G capable Asus WiFI 7 routers are expensive as of now and it will still be expensive next year.

Starhub Nokia XGS-PON ONT -- Asus ROG GT-BE98 as main AImesh router (single SSID)
EB810v 2.5G LAN port -- Asus GT-AX6000 2.5G WAN port, AImesh mesh node
EB810v 2.5G LAN port -- Asus RT-AX55U, AImesh mesh node

For option 3, does it means like this exactly:
Starhub Nokia XGS-PON ONT -- Asus ROG GT-BE98 as main AImesh router (single SSID) - Router Mode
Starhub Nokia XGS-PON ONT -- EB810v 2.5G LAN port -- Asus AImesh mesh node

with both Starhub Nokia XGS-PON ONT and EB810v at the DB Box ? the AImesh node does not need to connect to Asus main router directly?

 

[xiaofan]

For option 3, does it means like this exactly:
Starhub Nokia XGS-PON ONT -- Asus ROG GT-BE98 as main AImesh router (single SSID) - Router Mode
Starhub Nokia XGS-PON ONT -- EB810v 2.5G LAN port -- Asus AImesh mesh node

with both Starhub Nokia XGS-PON ONT and EB810v at the DB Box ? the AImesh node does not need to connect to Asus main router directly?

Oops, copy/paste error. Yes, the ROG GT-BE98 needs to be in the DB box with the ONT. No EB801v needed.

Starhub Nokia XGS-PON ONT -- Asus ROG GT-BE98 as main AImesh router (single SSID)
GT-BE98 2.5G LAN port -- Asus GT-AX6000 2.5G WAN port, AImesh mesh node
GT-BE98 1G LAN port -- Asus RT-AX55U, AImesh mesh node

I have edited the previous reply as well.

 

[Nashstruck]

The 10G WAN port connects to your ONT(aka modem). It is an incoming port. The 10G LAN port is the outgoing port to the switch/PC/laptop/dock

Depending whether your AP is a 2.5G or 10G. If 2.5G then can connect directlty to the eb810v's 2.5G ports.

If the APs are 10G with WiFi 7 like the TP-LINK EAP780 or EAP783 then you'll need a 10G switch with PoE if you want to use the PoE feature. Note that the aforementioned APs need at least 39W to power them so the PoE switch per port needs to output at least that amount of power. The TP-LINK 10G PoE switch TL-SX3206HPP can output 60W per port

https://www.tp-link.com/us/business-networking/omada-switch-poe/tl-sx3206hpp/v1/


Whether to use APs or another unit of eb810v router will depend on you. Check your WiFi performance around the house using the eb810v's WiFi then decide.

Thanks bro. You bring up a good point. It sounds like it might be cheaper to just add another EB810V as a second router. A TP link 10G switch and EAP783 would cost me $1300+, although I noticed unify is cheaper (but I don’t want to mix companies in my set up cos I’m a bit noob at this).

Tbh I’m used to a mesh set up, which is what I was going for with an access point. Would a second EB810V router work the same as a mesh system?

My current set up is Google nest wifi. Can 2 EB810V routers give out wifi speeds like an Access point set up? And can it switch automatically between the different bands of 2.4GHz 5GHz or 6GHz as required the my Google wifi system can?

Thanks again for the advice.

 

[endrue]

Oops, copy/paste error. Yes, the ROG GT-BE98 needs to be in the DB box with the ONT. No EB801v needed.

Starhub Nokia XGS-PON ONT -- Asus ROG GT-BE98 as main AImesh router (single SSID)
GT-BE98 2.5G LAN port -- Asus GT-AX6000 2.5G WAN port, AImesh mesh node
GT-BE98 1G LAN port -- Asus RT-AX55U, AImesh mesh node

I have edited the previous reply as well.

Thank you. I was expecting some magic earlier thinking that it doesn't need to connect to Asus Main router directly , which may useful for my case.

 

[Apparatus]

Thanks bro. You bring up a good point. It sounds like it might be cheaper to just add another EB810V as a second router. A TP link 10G switch and EAP783 would cost me $1300+, although I noticed unify is cheaper (but I don’t want to mix companies in my set up cos I’m a bit noob at this).

Tbh I’m used to a mesh set up, which is what I was going for with an access point. Would a second EB810V router work the same as a mesh system?

My current set up is Google nest wifi. Can 2 EB810V routers give out wifi speeds like an Access point set up? And can it switch automatically between the different bands of 2.4GHz 5GHz or 6GHz as required the my Google wifi system can?

Thanks again for the advice.

10G PoE switch comparison between TP-LINK vs UNIFI

TP-LINK TL-SX3206HPP JetStream 6-Port 10GE L2+ Managed Switch with 4-Port PoE++ priced at $695.74

https://shopee.sg/search?keyword=tl-sx3206hpp&shop=42903188

US-XG-6POE Ubiquiti UniFi Switch XG 6 POE 10G SFP+ POE++ UBNT Singapore priced at $988

https://shopee.sg/US-XG-6POE-Ubiqui...-SFP-POE-UBNT-Singapore-i.43358579.2731747221

UNIFI is definitely more expensive


WiFi 7 EAP comparison

TP-LINK 10G EAP783 priced at $567.60 - max speed is 19000Mbps

https://shopee.sg/search?keyword=eap783&shop=42903188

UbiQuiti U7-PRO UniFi WiFi 7 2.5G Access Point with 6 GHz support ( U7 PRO ) priced at $295 - max speed is 9335Mbps

https://shopee.sg/UbiQuiti-U7-PRO-U...9d&xptdk=ddc70e6a-3e13-4fb2-a308-adf35fe9ea9d

UNIFI is definitely of lower speed

I cannot speak for Google Nest because I don't use them. Sorry.

If you use the 2nd eb810v unit it'll act as the satellite node/mesh. You just need to wired backhaul to the primary router

https://www.starhub.com/personal/support/article.html?id=kD5GRQtfxB3LxaEDMjuFm5


Here are comparison between AP vs Mesh WiFi

https://www.tech21century.com/comparison-of-mesh-wifi-vs-access-points/

https://www.snbforums.com/threads/wired-ap-vs-mesh-with-ethernet-backhaul.62854/

Like I mentioned if you get the 10G subscription with the eb810v router from SH test the WiFi first before buying the 2nd unit or APs

 

[Henry Ng]

Sorry, can re- post the 10G server speed test link here? Let me try to do the speed test again.

 

[trenzterra]

I decided to get tx401. Gonna retire my sound blaster z