AC+AP Home Solution from China

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Nice review: the reviewer thinks TP-Link S30 and Huawei Q6 may be okay if you like the form factor. Peformance wise they are not so good even if compated to lower end Xiaomi AX3000T router.
 
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Reference: AC+AP in China, for big flats.
https://www.zhihu.com/tardis/zm/art/441799468?source_id=1003

Example: Huawei H6/Q6 Mesh Ethernet version 华为路由 Q6 网线版
https://consumer.huawei.com/cn/support/routers-h6-buy-guide/
https://consumer.huawei.com/cn/routers/q6-ethernet-cable/specs/
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Example: H3C H9
https://www.h3c.com/cn/Products_And_Solution/IntelligentTerminalProducts/Star_Products/Magic/H/H9/
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TP-Link S30
https://www.tp-link.com.cn/product_2815.html
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Tenda W15-Pro
https://www.tenda.com.cn/product/W15-Pro.html
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Basically poor-man's alternative to Ubiquiti Unifi and TP-Link Omada (Faceplate version, not ceiling mount AP). But in terms of features, probably can not compare with them.
 
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Basically poor-man's alternative to Ubiquiti Unifi and TP-Link Omada (Faceplate version, not ceiling mount AP). But in terms of features, probably can not compare with them.
Wow this is really nice in terms of form factor
 

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Another Chinese review
华为Q6网线版 1599元(1拖3)
H3C H9套装 2299元(1拖4)
TP-Link S30套装 TL-R470GP-AC+TL-XAP3002GI-PoE*3(1拖3) 1799元
 

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although i would recommend, base purely on price point, however as much as it is, i would rather steer people to UCG ultra [ 2024 ] and then setup all the AP as required, even a cheap gl-net travel router would suffice

if.,. security is of importance
 

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Basically poor-man's alternative to Ubiquiti Unifi and TP-Link Omada (Faceplate version, not ceiling mount AP). But in terms of features, probably can not compare with them.
I won't knock these in-wall units. these are the type that are most acceptable to many wives. ;)

Whenever I recommend to friends, the in-walls usually win. I usually have to push for one ceiling mount to properly cover large areas (hall, dining), but for room coverage it's always the in-walls that win.

I had one friend whose wife insisted on all in-walls, but eventually conceded that ceiling for the hall gave much better coverage when we tested.

The other APs that are very popular are Unifi's Mesh series. which are quite seamless and can fit in well. Especially because they don't look like APs so it helps.

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One clear no-no for many wives, those devices with multiple antennas sticking out and looking really ugly, "almost like upside-down dead spiders" - to quote at least two of them. Asus has a few gaming routers that fit the bill.
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Actually, in China, there are a lot of in-room faceplate APs available that support PoE (Power over Ethernet). Unfortunately, these devices are not available locally, and many of their interfaces are in Chinese. So setup or troubleshooting will take longer as many terms are not familiar to us in Chinese.

As a result, falling back on TP-Link and UniFi is the only solution.
 

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For in-walled AP faceplates, I suggest not reading too much into them. They're more of the Wi-Fi/network commercial vendors trying to create a new business revenue stream out of nothing in China.

Here are a few pointers for everyone reference based on China users.

1) This is mainly for current big houses or SME offices with in-walled ethernet ports ready. Otherwise, 70% of the working population in tier-one cities rent a house or room.

Normally, those rented places don't have in-wall ethernet ports ready. So, are the chances of your landlord allowing you to hack the wall and then install a new one? *almost close to 0%*.

2) Even if there are in-wall ethernet ports that can be converted to an AP, their placement is likely to be super awkward.

They are either near the ground and/or covered behind furniture, etc. Everyone who uses WiFi should know that placing Wifi units/APs higher from the ground is better than placing one lower near the ground.

So, in short, plug-and-play Wifi router/access points units (from Asus/TPLink, etc) nowadays are powerful enough (for most home users). Otherwise, you can always explore POE ceiling top AP; it will definitely provide better coverage than that dunno-hide-which-corner faceplate AP la.

To me, all these AP in-walled faceplates are like adding legs to snakes imo :ROFLMAO:
 
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For in-walled AP faceplates, I suggest not reading too much into them. They're more of the Wi-Fi/network commercial vendors trying to create a new business revenue stream out of nothing in China.

Here are a few pointers for your reference.

1) This is mainly for current big houses or SME offices with in-walled ethernet ports ready. Otherwise, 70% of the working population in tier-one cities rent a house or room.

Normally, those rented places don't have in-wall ethernet ports ready. So, are the chances of your landlord allowing you to hack the wall and then install a new one? *almost close to 0%*.

2) Even if there are in-wall ethernet ports that can be converted to an AP, their placement is likely to be super awkward.

They are either near the ground and/or covered behind furniture, etc. Everyone who uses WiFi should know that placing Wifi units/APs higher from the ground is better than placing one lower near the ground.

So, in short, plug-and-play Wifi router/access points units (from Asus/TPLink, etc) nowadays are powerful enough (for most home users). Otherwise, you can always explore POE ceiling top AP; it will definitely provide better coverage than that dunno-hide-which-corner faceplate AP la.

To me, all these AP in-walled faceplates are like adding legs to snakes imo :ROFLMAO:
It really depends on how you lay out your hardware and plan it, including the placements and the coverage. Which means they are intentionally not obstructed and rerouted as necessary to actually provide room coverage, while also doubling up as ethernet ports to cable devices as needed. I live in a 4 room older flat with furniture and many solid walls, so in-walls were the perfect way to expand coverage during the lockdown to enable WFH with closed doors (cos private phone calls, or some run the aircon). Many like to assume their doors will never be closed in their wifi deployment and testing.

Here in Singapore, the assumption for most people is that we (or our family members) own the apartments/houses we live in, so your rental argument is redundant. If you're a tenant, you are not likely to be able to make any structural changes to the household, so of course deployment of in-wall units do not apply for renters.

Glad you know it doesn't work for you. But don't knock it for others who are still deploying their BTOs and renovating. With 6Ghz Wi-Fi entering into the mainstream from this year, strategic placement of APs becomes necessary. In-wall units are going to provide the most unintrusive expansion options.
 

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It really depends on how you lay out your hardware and plan it, including the placements and the coverage. Which means they are intentionally not obstructed and rerouted as necessary to actually provide room coverage, while also doubling up as ethernet ports to cable devices as needed. I live in a 4 room older flat with furniture and many solid walls, so in-walls were the perfect way to expand coverage during the lockdown to enable WFH with closed doors (cos private phone calls, or some run the aircon). Many like to assume their doors will never be closed in their wifi deployment and testing.

Here in Singapore, the assumption for most people is that we (or our family members) own the apartments/houses we live in, so your rental argument is redundant. If you're a tenant, you are not likely to be able to make any structural changes to the household, so of course deployment of in-wall units do not apply for renters.

Glad you know it doesn't work for you. But don't knock it for others who are still deploying their BTOs and renovating. With 6Ghz Wi-Fi entering into the mainstream from this year, strategic placement of APs becomes necessary. In-wall units are going to provide the most unintrusive expansion options.

I am glad this works for you too. When I wrote the response, I meant to refer to current users in China given the videos are from China reviewer. *edited my msg to reflect better facts*

Not knocking out anyone of course, esp those living in BTO or considering renovation. My message was to make it clear those who arent BTO flat owners or dont have inwall faceplate option ready.

Of course, this is the perfect solution for those who have "insisting wives" :ROFLMAO:
 
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I am glad this works for you too. When I wrote the response, I meant to refer to current users in China given the videos are from China reviewer. *edited my msg to reflect better facts*

Not knocking out anyone of course, esp those living in BTO or considering renovation. My message was to make it clear those who arent BTO flat owners or dont have inwall faceplate option ready.

Of course, this is the perfect solution for those who have "insisting wives" :ROFLMAO:
Oh, I've seen more "Domestic Prime Ministers" 🤣😁 demand it recently, especially after they have seen these in-wall solutions. Heck, even some friends want it now cos it's much neater than having to provide one wall socket and have another device in rooms.

I just remind my friends that their "Domestic Prime Ministers" are usually also "Finance Ministers", so get financial clearance too. Married persons will definitely understand this tension.
 

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Oh, I've seen more "Domestic Prime Ministers" 🤣😁 demand it recently, especially after they have seen these in-wall solutions. Heck, even some friends want it now cos it's much neater than having to provide one wall socket and have another device in rooms.

I just remind my friends that their "Domestic Prime Ministers" are usually also "Finance Ministers", so get financial clearance too. Married persons will definitely understand this tension.
Sigh, tell me about it, mate. My Zyxel Wi-Fi AP has only seen daylight once out of the box because of my "super-insisting" finance minister.

Must get super good coverage, yet cannot be seen or visible.......jialat until I get my GT6 Mesh and even have to turn of LED lights bcos my FM told me it affects her sleep.... 😭
 

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Sigh, tell me about it, mate. My Zyxel Wi-Fi AP has only seen daylight once out of the box because of my "super-insisting" finance minister.

Must get super good coverage, yet cannot be seen or visible.......jialat until I get my GT6 Mesh and even have to turn of LED lights bcos my FM told me it affects her sleep.... 😭

Mine's not even the finance minister, but worse...... "Chief Interior Design Officer" (CIDO).

Where possible, all network gears must be hidden, switches and APs indicator lights must be turned off. If cannot turn it off, even have to use "Blutek" to cover (stick on) the LED indicator lights......:(
 

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Mine's not even the finance minister, but worse...... "Chief Interior Design Officer" (CIDO).

Where possible, all network gears must be hidden, switches and APs indicator lights must be turned off. If cannot turn it off, even have to use "Blutek" to cover (stick on) the LED indicator lights......:(
They take the saying of "wifi is black magic" too seriously 🤣
 

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Mine's not even the finance minister, but worse...... "Chief Interior Design Officer" (CIDO).

Where possible, all network gears must be hidden, switches and APs indicator lights must be turned off. If cannot turn it off, even have to use "Blutek" to cover (stick on) the LED indicator lights......:(

Lucky my CFO didn't find out about SkillsFuture Residential Interior Design Course , I better set adsguard or key words filter to block those websites pages on my router :ROFLMAO:
 
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