Upgrading my Copper RJ45 LAN Cables To 10/25/40G Fiber Optic

[seowbin]

Difference is the vendor code programmed into the module EEPROM. Mikrotik is not picky on vendor code, dunno about tplink.

Module is the same.

i tested on tp-link before using cisco coded module. no problem

their recent wifi 7 router be19000 or what
not those ISP provided series

by the way, recently i brought their EAP773. Setup their software controller. Those who want to buy but lazy to setup their own controller, i can link you up to mine, for free. Else you can wait till July, i think they will give the free cloud controller option (but as usual, certain features might requires $$$)

 

[Apparatus]

I need to check something regarding the MIKROTIK CRS309-1G-8S 10G 8-port SFP+ Managed Switch (to use as unmanaged switch)

Because the SFP+ ports are 10G and not dual-rated (i.e. supporting both 1G/10G) if I plug a AMPCOM 1.25G RJ45 SFP Module, To RJ45 Ethernet Copper SFP Transceiver, 850nm MMF 1000BASE-T SFP Module to the SFP+ port of the above switch and the other end directly to to my existing TP-LINK TL-SG1008D 1G 8-Port Unmanaged switch's RJ45 port will it work at a speed of 1G? I just need the 1G speed for other uses.

I understand if use copper RJ45 transceiver there's no need to have transceivers on both ends, right? That is one end can have the copper RJ45 transceiver and the other end direct to the RJ45 port of the device. For Ethernet over copper wiring, auto-negotiation is supported. That means, only the BASE-T SFP transceivers support auto-negotiation as copper SFP modules supporting 10/100/1000 auto-sensing.

https://shopee.sg/AMPCOM-1.25G-RJ45...d5&xptdk=cce5f34e-9d78-4cbe-a37e-a37f7e2bc7d5

https://community.fs.com/article/can-10gb-switch-port-link-to-gigabit-switch-port.html

 

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don't buy 10g rj45 switches if you want to aim for 25g in the future
first problem is they produce a lot of heat and eat a lot of power.

fiber (single mode or multi-mode) , technology is the limitation. with a pair, you can run 100g nowadays.

I will recommend you just go and buy this
https://mikrotik.com/product/ccr2004_1g_12s_2xs#fndtn-specifications
should be around 1k sgd range + GST

you don't need seperate router/switches, 1 shot reach the end goal

the nic card wise, you can buy 2nd hand mellanox connectx-4 , 2 port 25g card , less than 50 each from china.
a 10g sfp optic, i can sell you 20 bucks, buy more cheaper. keke

by the way, the optics, can flash one. you want to compatible with cisco, intel, or whatever also can. usually cheaper brand bo chup like tp-link and mikrotik. i use cisco coded optics also can work

much cheaper than those 10g rj45 modules, 50+ bucks onwards

I'm installing SM OS2 fiber optics cables soon when they arrive. SM/MM fiber optics cables can support up to 400G as per below

https://www.aflhyperscale.com/wp-co...the-Correct-Fiber-Optic-Connectivity-v2-1.pdf

I'm looking forward to TP-LINK managed switches (instead of MIKROTIK) with ALL SFP+ ports namely

1) JetStream 8-Port 10GE SFP+ L2+ Managed Switch TL-SX3008F
2) Omada Jetstream 16-Port 10GE SFP+ L2+ Managed Switch

and my aim now is '1 shot reach the end goal'..................as you put it

As for optical transceivers I'm aiming for brands like 10Gtek and FS.com for best compatibility, availability and cost. Ideally I should be using TP-LINK optical transceivers for best compatibility but they are priced higher than the other two mentioned brands

 

[seowbin]

I'm installing SM OS2 fiber optics cables soon when they arrive. SM/MM fiber optics cables can support up to 400G as per below

https://www.aflhyperscale.com/wp-co...the-Correct-Fiber-Optic-Connectivity-v2-1.pdf

I'm looking forward to TP-LINK managed switches (instead of MIKROTIK) with ALL SFP+ ports namely

1) JetStream 8-Port 10GE SFP+ L2+ Managed Switch TL-SX3008F
2) Omada Jetstream 16-Port 10GE SFP+ L2+ Managed Switch

and my aim now is '1 shot reach the end goal'..................as you put it

As for optical transceivers I'm aiming for brands like 10Gtek and FS.com for best compatibility, availability and cost. Ideally I should be using TP-LINK optical transceivers for best compatibility but they are priced higher than the other two mentioned brands

Actually 10g sfp LR and SR is dirt cheap now. Don't need to waste money on premium type. Spoil just throw.

 

[lunaraven]

Use a 1G copper transceiver at CRS309. Don't use 10G SFP Copper module.

I need to check something regarding the MIKROTIK CRS309-1G-8S 10G 8-port SFP+ Managed Switch (to use as unmanaged switch) Because the SFP+ ports are 10G and not dual-rated (i.e. supporting both 1G/10G) if I plug a AMPCOM 1.25G RJ45 SFP Module, To RJ45 Ethernet Copper SFP Transceiver, 850nm MMF 1000BASE-T SFP Module to the SFP+ port of the above switch and the other end directly to to my existing TP-LINK TL-SG1008D 1G 8-Port Unmanaged switch's RJ45 port will it work at a speed of 1G? I just need the 1G speed for other uses.

I understand if use copper RJ45 transceiver there's no need to have transceivers on both ends, right? That is one end can have the copper RJ45 transceiver and the other end direct to the RJ45 port of the device. For Ethernet over copper wiring, auto-negotiation is supported. That means, only the BASE-T SFP transceivers support auto-negotiation as copper SFP modules supporting 10/100/1000 auto-sensing.

https://shopee.sg/AMPCOM-1.25G-RJ45...d5&xptdk=cce5f34e-9d78-4cbe-a37e-a37f7e2bc7d5

https://community.fs.com/article/can-10gb-switch-port-link-to-gigabit-switch-port.html

 

[seowbin]

Use a 1G copper transceiver at CRS309. Don't use 10G SFP Copper module.

Why leh ? Consume too much power ?

 

[lunaraven]

Why leh ? Consume too much power ?

I was thinking about compatibility.

However, i spotted the mikrotik module (S+RJ10) supports multi rates.

 

[Apparatus]

All my fiber optic cables arrived. They are

Single Mode Duplex LC/UPC-LC/UPC 9/125um 1310/1550nm 2.0mm OD OS2

I'll lay the fiber optic cables in my existing cable trunkings first. For devices I'll seek them during Dec for I'll be getting busy with work.

 

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I'm upgrading to Fiber Optic Cables from my 10G RJ45 LAN Cables. These fiber optic cables can be used up to 400G so is futureproof for 25/40G

Fiber Optic Cables

Why this cable?
Single Mode Duplex LC/UPC-LC/UPC 9/125um 1310/1550nm 2.0mm OD OS2. Read below.

Distance support of fiber optic cables
My longest cable run is 30m in a single-storey HDB unit, so distance support is a non-issue. Actually, using Single Mode or Multi Mode is not a serious factor in the selection.

Deciphering

FS.com - FS.com fiber optic cables chosen because they comply to G657.A1 (compliant to G652.D) with a minimum bending radius of 10mm i.e. it’s less bend-sensitive and it’s good for negotiating tight corners during laying and installation. G.657 Class A fibers have tighter dimensional tolerances than G.652D fibers, for improved connectivity. The attributes of these class A fibers are optimized for reduced macrobend loss while their specifications for attenuation, chromatic dispersion, and PMD remain the same as specified in G.652D. They are cheap, can be bought locally, with limited color options, can customized odd lengths (eg. 18m, 33m etc), OFNR flame-retardant jacket and the use of SM Duplex LC connectors give the widest choices from below link

https://www.aflhyperscale.com/wp-co...the-Correct-Fiber-Optic-Connectivity-v2-1.pdf

Grade : SM – Single Mode OS2 – Single Mode refers to a glass core diameter of 8.3 – 10um. Multi Mode refers to 50/125 or 62.5/125. OS2 supports up to 200Km(OS1 supports up to 10Km)

Duplex LC/UPC-LC/UPC – Two cables (Simplex uses a single fiber optic cable). LC refers to Lucent
Connector and UPC refers to Ultra Physical Contact ie. unpolished with no angle. Duplex is chosen over Simplex because BiDi transceivers for Simplex cable is not so widely available especially where compatibility is concerned

9/125um : 9 refers to the glass core diameter and 125 refers to the outside diameter of the cladding. Note there are tolerances for the glass core and diameter cladding

Wavelength : 1310/1550nm

Outside diamter of cable : 2.0mm (3.0mm a bit stiffer)

Jacket covering : OFNR flame-retardant jacket

Standard : G657.A1 with minimum cable bending radius of 10mm
FI, fiber optic cable complying with G652.D has a minimum bending radius of 30mm.
G657.A2 has a tighter minimum bending radius of 7.5mm

 

[Apparatus]

This is my finalized 10G plan with fiber optic cables. Devices like transceivers, router/nodes, switches and NAS are described in the posts further down

 

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Transceivers

Transceivers with brands like 10GTek and FS.com are more compatible and tend to work with TP-LINK and MIKROTIK switches. They are also rated good on Amazon, Reddit and YouTube. QSFPTEK brand is also compatible but sometimes has missing info regarding sensors and transceiver activity. FI, MIKROTIK switches are open switches i.e. does not require special EEPROM info. Ideally, for best compatibility with TP-LINK switches should use TP-LINK optical transceivers, however, cost is a factor over the mentioned preferred brands. Switch/device brands like Zyxel, QNAP, NETGEAR, Ubiquiti , TRENDNet etc prefer own-brand optical transceivers and may not work in different brands scenario.

Transceivers – Cheapest I can find so far with the brands I find most compatible with TP-LINK devices. Can find them on Amazon, Taobao, FS.com Singapore and Shopee Singapore. Prices quoted are as current.

For 10GBase-T SFP+ Tansceivers

Cisco SFP-10G-T-100 Compatible SFP+ 10GBASE-T Copper 100m RJ-45 Transceiver Module (LOS) ($215.82) Power Consumption <1.8W. If needed.
https://www.fs.com/sg/products/154916.html

10Gtek 万兆SFP+电口光模块RJ45光转电转换10G光口转电口模块自适应兼容5/2.5/1.25G锐捷思科华为H3C小米10Gbase-T $34.93 per pc (30m max distance)
https://detail.tmall.com/item.htm?a...7.1.item.4.58b6523cPzx82B&skuId=4864425120186

For 10G SFP+ Optical Transceivers

10Gtek 10GBase-LR SFP+ Dual LC SM Transceiver, 10G 1310nm SMF (S$39.23/2-pc)
https://shopee.sg/10Gtek-【2-pack】10GBase-LR-SFP-Transceiver-10G-1310nm-SMF-up-to-10-km-Compatible-with-Cisco-SFP-10G-LR-Meraki-MA-SFP-10GB-LR-Ubiquiti-UniFi-UF-SM-10G-Mikrotik-and-More-i.726660190.16896008016?sp_atk=510161c1-5afa-406f-a5d9-e84278332594&xptdk=510161c1-5afa-406f-a5d9-e84278332594

TP-Link TL-SM5110-LR | 10G-LR SFP+ LC Transceiver, Single-Mode SFP Module| Plug and Play | LC Duplex Interface | Hot Pluggable | Up to 10km Distance | Support SFP+MSA & DDM (S$33.78/pc)
https://www.amazon.com/TP-Link-TL-SM5110-LR-Transceiver-Single-Mode-Interface/dp/B098ZRYHVC?th=1

Router/Nodes

Router/Nodes – Will upgrade from my TP-LINK eb810v to TP-LINK 3x Deco BE85 (S$2219)
https://shopee.sg/TP-Link-Deco-BE85...3f&xptdk=97bc8e70-f606-40e8-8305-57678beefd3f

Switches

TP-LINK Omada JetStream 8-Port 10GE SFP+ L2+ Managed Switch TL-SX3008F (Fanless so minimal use of 10GBase-T Copper RJ45 transceivers, 3 max) S$360.34
https://www.tp-link.com/sg/business-networking/managed-switch/tl-sx3008f/
https://shopee.sg/TP-LINK-JETSTREAM...bb&xptdk=c9f0c41e-4dee-4123-85a6-449e4fbe52bb

TP-LINK Omada Jetstream 16-Port 10GE SFP+ L2+ Managed Switch (Minimal use of 10GBase-T Copper RJ45 transceivers, 4 max – 1 per bay) S$899
https://www.tp-link.com/sg/business-networking/omada-switch-l3-l2-managed/sx3016f/
https://shopee.sg/TP-LINK-TL-SX3016...1f&xptdk=55dab344-ea94-4952-8a24-aa66e1ed8c1f

Will likely use back some of my existing unmanaged switches

TP-LINK 8-Port 10G Multi-Gig TL-SX1008
TP-LINK 5-Port 10G Multi-Gig TL-SX105
TP-LINK 5-Port 2.5G Multi-Gig TL-SG105-M2
TP-LINK 8-Port 1G Multi-Gig TL-SG1008D
TP-LINK 5-Port 1G Multi-Gig TL-SG1005D

You can call me a TP-LINK fanboy if you want. I believe buying TP-LINK switches locally because the firmware version might be different if bought overseas for the same unmanaged switch model

QNAP NAS

In the near future if I need a NAS I’ll likely to use QNAP with a 10G RJ45 port. No need of a NIC card

 

[Apparatus]

Just completed laying all my fiber optic cables. Color number tags

 

[Apparatus]

Work until my whole body shiny shiny. Sibeh shiong

 

[Henry Ng]

Just completed laying all my fiber optic cables. Waiting for the number tags to arrive from Shopee

Just wondering this is for home office network? business network?

 

[Apparatus]

Just wondering this is for home office network? business network?

Home use all using fiber optic cables instead of existing RJ45 LAN cables. Also, preparing for future 25/40G

 

[stanlawj]

I'm upgrading to Fiber Optic Cables from my 10G RJ45 LAN Cables. These fiber optic cables can be used up to 400G so is futureproof for 25/40G

Fiber Optic Cables

Why this cable?
Single Mode Duplex LC/UPC-LC/UPC 9/125um 1310/1550nm 2.0mm OD OS2. Read below.

Distance support of fiber optic cables
My longest cable run is 30m in a single-storey HDB unit, so distance support is a non-issue. Actually, using Single Mode or Multi Mode is not a serious factor in the selection.

Deciphering

FS.com - FS.com fiber optic cables chosen because they comply to G657.A1 (compliant to G652.D) with a minimum bending radius of 10mm i.e. it’s less bend-sensitive and it’s good for negotiating tight corners during laying and installation. G.657 Class A fibers have tighter dimensional tolerances than G.652D fibers, for improved connectivity. The attributes of these class A fibers are optimized for reduced macrobend loss while their specifications for attenuation, chromatic dispersion, and PMD remain the same as specified in G.652D. They are cheap, can be bought locally, with limited color options, can customized odd lengths (eg. 18m, 33m etc), OFNR flame-retardant jacket and the use of SM Duplex LC connectors give the widest choices from below link

https://www.aflhyperscale.com/wp-co...the-Correct-Fiber-Optic-Connectivity-v2-1.pdf

Grade : SM – Single Mode OS2 – Single Mode refers to a glass core diameter of 8.3 – 10um. Multi Mode refers to 50/125 or 62.5/125. OS2 supports up to 200Km(OS1 supports up to 10Km)

Duplex LC/UPC-LC/UPC – Two cables (Simplex uses a single fiber optic cable). LC refers to Lucent
Connector and UPC refers to Ultra Physical Contact ie. unpolished with no angle. Duplex is chosen over Simplex because BiDi transceivers for Simplex cable is not so widely available especially where compatibility is concerned

9/125um : 9 refers to the glass core diameter and 125 refers to the outside diameter of the cladding. Note there are tolerances for the glass core and diameter cladding

Wavelength : 1310/1550nm

Outside diamter of cable : 2.0mm (3.0mm a bit stiffer)

Jacket covering : OFNR flame-retardant jacket

Standard : G657.A1 with minimum cable bending radius of 10mm
FI, fiber optic cable complying with G652.D has a minimum bending radius of 30mm.
G657.A2 has a tighter minimum bending radius of 7.5mm

Your fiber optic cables are not armored?

 

[Apparatus]

Your fiber optic cables are not armored?

Home use no need armored lah. Important is to take care during laying time like don't step on them, don't drop a hammer or tool on them, no sharp bending (take care of minimum bending radius depending on your cable spec), no nick, no kink etc

 

[stanlawj]

Home use no need armored lah. Important is to take care during laying time like don't step on them, don't drop a hammer or tool on them, no sharp bending, no nick, no kink etc

Aren't you ever going to pull the cables through some openings? Won't pulling too hard cause problems?

 

[stanlawj]

My new plan using Single Mode Fiber Optics Cables. Sorry, keep on changing because of some issues

Router/Nodes : TP-LINK BE85 with 10G SFP+ port

Switches : MIKROTIK Switches (both are managed and fanless – to use as unmanaged switches)

- 2x MIKROTIK CRS309-1G-8S 10G 8-port SFP+ Managed Switch (S$462x2 = $924)
https://shopee.sg/MikroTik-Cloud-Ro...de&xptdk=1af170aa-9517-4dab-8210-98005366e2de

- 2x MIKROTIK CRS305-1G-4S+IN 4xSFP+ 10G Managed Switch (S$256x2 = $512)
https://shopee.sg/MikroTik-Cloud-Ro...3d&xptdk=5252ec0a-1c9c-4e18-bd55-ae3666532c3d

Notes on MIKROTIK Switches in using 10GBase-T RJ45 SFP+ Transceivers
https://help.mikrotik.com/docs/display/ROS/MikroTik+wired+interface+compatibility
- MIKROTIK CRS309-1G-8S – To be used with external fan/aircon cooling in open space
- MIKROTIK CRS305-1G-4S+IN – Supports up to 2 simultaneous 10GBase-T RJ45 SFP+ Transceivers

Optical Transceivers : MIKROTIK (between MIKROTIK switches)

XS+31LC10D SM Dual LC UPC 1G/10G/25G SFP/SFP+/SFP28 1310nm wavelength
Also, this optical transceiver is good for future proofing to 25G (S$182.6/pc)

https://www.amazon.com/Mikro-Tik-XS-31LC10D-Combined/dp/B09BP1K6TK

10Gtek 10GBase-LR SFP+ Dual LC SM Transceiver, 10G 1310nm SMF (S$39.23/2-pc)
For connection between devices/TP-LINK (router/nodes/switches) and MIKROTIK switches

https://shopee.sg/10Gtek-【2-pack】10GBase-LR-SFP-Transceiver-10G-1310nm-SMF-up-to-10-km-Compatible-with-Cisco-SFP-10G-LR-Meraki-MA-SFP-10GB-LR-Ubiquiti-UniFi-UF-SM-10G-Mikrotik-and-More-i.726660190.16896008016?sp_atk=510161c1-5afa-406f-a5d9-e84278332594&xptdk=510161c1-5afa-406f-a5d9-e84278332594

Single Mode Fiber Optics : LC UPC to LC UPC Duplex OS2 Single Mode Riser (OFNR) 2.0mm 9/125 Fiber Optic Patch Cable

After much searching I'll only recommend from

FS.com Singapore

https://www.fs.com/sg/products/40191.html

PROS
1) cheapest
2) it uses G657.A1 standard with a cable minimum bending radius of 10mm. And G657.A1 standard is compatible to G652.D standard in all other aspects. FI, G652.D standard comes with a cable minimum bending radius of 30mm
3) can customized to odd lengths (eg. 18m, 28m, 33m etc) with different color cables (limited colors option) to meet your needs
3) jacket can come with OFNR/LSZH
4) OD 2.0mm is thinner and more flexible in installation


The below 3 other brands are from Shopee Singapore and I don't recommend them

1) AMPCOM Single Mode Duplex Fiber LC LC Fiber Optic Patch Cable Duplex 9/125 LC to LC UPC

https://shopee.sg/AMPCOM-Single-Mod...08&xptdk=d8b5d5d6-6d6b-4df3-be14-740206e3e108

On the above website the cables are printed G652.D which according to the standard states that it has a cable bending radius of 30mm. No odd lengths and colors customization. Comes in OD 2.0mm. jacket comes with LSZH

2) 10Gtek Fiber Patch Cable - LC to LC OS2 10Gb/Gigabit Singlemode Jumper Duplex 9/125 LSZH Fiber Optic Cord

https://shopee.sg/【0.5-Meter~50-Meter】Fiber-Patch-Cable-LC-to-LC-OS2-10Gb-Gigabit-Singlemode-Jumper-Duplex-9-125-LSZH-Fiber-Optic-Cord-for-SMF-SFP-Transceiver-Yellow-i.726660190.25955239656?sp_atk=4879d8db-ca4d-45a2-9e2f-0fe641a9acf3&xptdk=4879d8db-ca4d-45a2-9e2f-0fe641a9acf3

No indication of complying with G657.A1/G652.D standard. No odd lengths and colors customization. Available in OD 3.0mm.

3) ATZ LC/UPC - LC/UPC SINGLEMODE DUPLEX

https://shopee.sg/ATZ-LC-UPC-LC-UPC...85&xptdk=d28ce990-df0a-4387-ab00-b7af09574985

Most expensive per metre length of cable. Available in OD 2.0mm. Complies with G657.A1 standard with bending radius of 10mm. No odd lengths and colors customization. No indication jackets come with LSZH



Please comment. I need some endorsement before proceeding to buy the cables and transceivers

Budget seems to be wrongly emphasised on just price.
Why not trade off lower cost of multimode lasers with local vendor support? Instead you have chosen higher cost Single-mode and cheap out the sourcing.

Anyway, interesting to see single-mode fiber home install... I'll keep in view. I didn't realise, you can buy direct from 10Gtek. That's fantastic.

 

[Apparatus]

Aren't you ever going to pull the cables through some openings? Won't pulling too hard cause problems?

The cables are laid in my existing trunking. I have no in-wall cables