New 10Gbps/5Gbps/6Gbps/3Gbps XGS-PON based plans

[xiaofan]

Hi Xiaofan, when i search online i got this:
In 2022, StarHub announced that it had completed the upgrade of its core network infrastructure to support its new 10 Gbps fiber-optic home internet services. The upgrade involved the deployment of new network equipment, including:
Ciena's 4200 packet optical transport platforms
: These platforms enable the transmission of high-speed data signals over long distances, ensuring reliable and efficient data transfer.
Mellanox's Spectrum 100GbE switches
: These switches provide high-bandwidth connectivity and enable the aggregation of multiple 10 Gbps connections to support the demands of high-speed internet users.
Juniper Networks' PTX1000 routers
: These routers provide advanced routing capabilities and support for high-speed internet services.
The upgraded network equipment is designed to handle the increased traffic demands of StarHub's 10 Gbps home internet services, which offer speeds of up to 10 Gbps. This upgrade enables StarHub to provide faster and more reliable internet connectivity to its customers.
In addition to the network equipment upgrades, StarHub has also deployed a new software-defined networking (SDN) architecture to manage its network infrastructure. This allows for greater flexibility, scalability, and automation, enabling StarHub to quickly respond to changes in network demand and improve overall network performance.
So, to answer your question, yes, StarHub has upgraded its core network equipment in its backend to support its 10 Gbps home internet services in 2022.

Good one.

In fact when I ask Microsoft Copilot the question, it actually quoted your answer as the first reference.

LOL.

My question:
It is mentioned that Starhub has upgraded some new core network equipment like Ciena 4200 packet optical transport system, Mellanox Spectrum 100GbE switches and Juniper Networks PTX1000 routers. Is that true?

Microsoft Copilot answer:

Indeed, StarHub has made significant upgrades to its core network infrastructure in 2022 to support its 10 Gbps fiber-optic home internet services1. These enhancements include:

1. Ciena’s 4200 Packet Optical Transport Platforms: These platforms facilitate high-speed data transmission over long distances, ensuring reliable and efficient data transfer.
2. Mellanox’s Spectrum 100GbE Switches: These switches provide high-bandwidth connectivity and aggregate multiple 10 Gbps connections to meet the demands of high-speed internet users.
3. Juniper Networks’ PTX1000 Routers: These routers offer advanced routing capabilities and support for high-speed internet services.

The upgraded equipment enables StarHub to provide faster and more reliable internet connectivity to its customers. Additionally, StarHub has deployed a new software-defined networking (SDN) architecture for greater flexibility, scalability, and automation in managing its network infrastructure1.

Learn more
1forums.hardwarezone.com.sg
2starhub.com
3starhub.com

 

[GlassDoor]

dont beat me up on this...
but anyone else feel that this race to the bottom for BB plan is unhealthy and worrying?

a fresh whole cut chicken at NTUC is already 12+
and we are seeing simba advertise sub $30 10G BB service. with this price pressure all will have to follow and adapt to a degree. But with cost all sky rocketing for the last few years. something has to give right?
so cut customer service? more outage? less robust infra?

the problem i see is that there is no transparency or impartial 3rd party to objectively grade these provider's service. so the only yard stick is price.. and a race to the bottom..

also is there a means to enforce and hold providers accountable to what they advertise? given ah gong is handing out grants in this push for 10G.. may be the perfect time to set all this in motion

 

[stephenbishop]

also is there a means to enforce and hold providers accountable to what they advertise? given ah gong is handing out grants in this push for 10G.. may be the perfect time to set all this in motion

Completely agree.

Sadly, consumer advocacy and protection are imho almost completely absent in Singapore with organizations like CASE weak and inconsequential...The official line appears to be consumer protection adds to costs and strictly caveat emptor is the best way forward. That of course ignores the massively asymmetric power equation between the individual consumer and large corporations....

 

[stephenbishop]

but anyone else feel that this race to the bottom for BB plan is unhealthy and worrying?

I think price competition is healthy and should benefit consumers if the providers are held to the service they advertise and promise. The problem, as you correctly identified, is that there is no transparency or impartial third party to objectively grade the providers' service. So, the consumer ends up paying peanuts and gets the figurative monkey!

 

[GlassDoor]

I think price competition is healthy and should benefit consumers if the providers are held to the service they advertise and promise. The problem, as you correctly identified, is that there is no transparency or impartial third party to objectively grade the providers' service. So, the consumer ends up paying peanuts and gets the figurative monkey!

ya.. key word is healthy price competition. if nothing changes.. i foresee a flood of complains in this new wave for high speed BB adoption. so hardwarezone may truely become complainzone. sad to see isn't it?

 

[stephenbishop]

ya.. key word is healthy price competition. if nothing changes.. i foresee a flood of complains in this new wave for high speed BB adoption. so hardwarezone may truely become complainzone. sad to see isn't it?

May be the flood of complaints will provoke either the provider to improve or the regulator to get involved resulting in an improved service....

 

[Henry Ng]

Good one.

In fact when I ask Microsoft Copilot the question, it actually quoted your answer as the first reference.

LOL.

My question:
It is mentioned that Starhub has upgraded some new core network equipment like Ciena 4200 packet optical transport system, Mellanox Spectrum 100GbE switches and Juniper Networks PTX1000 routers. Is that true?

Microsoft Copilot answer:

Indeed, StarHub has made significant upgrades to its core network infrastructure in 2022 to support its 10 Gbps fiber-optic home internet services1. These enhancements include:

1. Ciena’s 4200 Packet Optical Transport Platforms: These platforms facilitate high-speed data transmission over long distances, ensuring reliable and efficient data transfer.
2. Mellanox’s Spectrum 100GbE Switches: These switches provide high-bandwidth connectivity and aggregate multiple 10 Gbps connections to meet the demands of high-speed internet users.
3. Juniper Networks’ PTX1000 Routers: These routers offer advanced routing capabilities and support for high-speed internet services.

The upgraded equipment enables StarHub to provide faster and more reliable internet connectivity to its customers. Additionally, StarHub has deployed a new software-defined networking (SDN) architecture for greater flexibility, scalability, and automation in managing its network infrastructure1.

Learn more
1forums.hardwarezone.com.sg
2starhub.com
3starhub.com

I asked Deep AI

 

[GlassDoor]

May be the flood of complaints will provoke either the provider to improve or the regulator to get involved resulting in an improved service....

hahaha.. i didn't see it from that angle
although if this become BB complain central i will be the first to avoid

maybe before that happens.. i update my profile pic to something more naughty and provocative?

 

[Henry Ng]

May be the flood of complaints will provoke either the provider to improve or the regulator to get involved resulting in an improved service....

True la. I think just need some time. Must wait and see la. ISP will sure improve a bit la.

 

[Henry Ng]

Now got UEFA Champions League to watch via Starhub Bein channel

 

[Henry Ng]

Xiao Fan is correct, ST users are not having issue with slow internet speed during peak hours. I am surprised when I Just asked Deep AI and got the following:

Question: starhub 10 Gbps home internet services vs singtel 10 Gbps home internet services, which is more stable in term of its speed during peak hours?

Both StarHub and Singtel offer 10 Gbps home internet services, but their network performance can vary in terms of speed and stability during peak hours. Here's a general comparison based on publicly available information and customer reviews:
Network Infrastructure:

• Singtel has a more extensive fiber-optic network, covering over 99% of Singapore's households. This can provide a more stable and consistent connection.
• StarHub's fiber-optic network coverage is around 95%, with some areas relying on copper-based connections. This might lead to occasional fluctuations in speeds.

Network Congestion:

• Singtel has a more extensive network infrastructure, which helps to reduce congestion and minimize the impact of peak-hour traffic.
• StarHub's network might be more prone to congestion, especially in areas with high demand for internet bandwidth.

Peak Hour Performance:

• According to various speed tests and user reviews, Singtel's 10 Gbps service tends to maintain speeds around 8-9 Gbps during peak hours (usually between 6 pm to 11 pm).
• StarHub's 10 Gbps service tends to drop speeds to around 4-6 Gbps during peak hours, with some users reporting speeds as low as 2-3 Gbps.

Quality of Service (QoS):

• Both providers prioritize traffic for critical services like video streaming and online gaming, but Singtel's QoS seems to be more effective in maintaining speeds during peak hours.
• StarHub's QoS is still effective, but some users have reported slower speeds during peak hours due to congestion.

5G Priority Access:

• Both providers offer priority access to their 5G networks for 10 Gbps customers, which can help improve speeds during peak hours.
• However, Singtel's 5G network is more widespread, with better coverage and faster speeds.

Based on this comparison, Singtel's 10 Gbps home internet service appears to be more stable during peak hours, with faster speeds and better network infrastructure. However, it's essential to note that individual experiences can vary depending on your location, usage patterns, and other factors.
Before making a decision, consider the following:

1. Check your specific location: If you live in an area with high demand for internet bandwidth, StarHub might be more affected by congestion.
2. Assess your usage patterns: If you're a heavy internet user or have multiple devices connected at the same time, you might benefit from Singtel's more extensive network infrastructure.
3. Monitor your speed: Keep an eye on your internet speed using tools like Speedtest.net or SpeedOf.me to identify any issues or fluctuations.

Ultimately, it's recommended to contact both providers' customer support and ask about their specific network performance in your area before making a final decision.

What is fiber-optic network coverage? Every where in Singapore also got fiber-optic network coverage? Just do not understand why 99% and 95% thing.

 

[Henry Ng]

I also got this when i search for SH Fiber-optic infrastructure expansion plan:

Fiber-Optic Infrastructure Upgrades:

1. Fiber-to-the-Home (FTTH): StarHub will continue to upgrade its FTTH infrastructure to support faster speeds, with plans to reach speeds of up to 10 Gbps (gigabits per second) by the end of 2024.
2. Fiber-to-the-Cabinet (FTTC): The company will also upgrade its FTTC infrastructure to support speeds of up to 1 Gbps.
3. Fiber-to-the-Antenna (FTTA): StarHub will deploy FTTA technology to improve indoor coverage and reduce dead spots in homes and buildings.

 

[vaxvms]

Yes that is a good interim solution. I am still relying on wireless as of now.

In the end you may have to upgrade when it comes to 10G. Post 10G it will be dominated by Fibre.

sorry dun get wat u mean

r u saying once 10g is running full force, my goCoax MoCA 2.5 Adapter will not work anymore?

 

[xiaofan]

sorry dun get wat u mean

r u saying once 10g is running full force, my goCoax MoCA 2.5 Adapter will not work anymore?

It will work but only at 2.5Gbps.
If you want to have 10Gbps in the room in the future, then you still need to upgrade.

 

[Mach3.2]

this kind of unvetted LLM output shouldn't be allowed

 

[xiaofan]

this kind of unvetted LLM output shouldn't be allowed

The open source projects I am involved ban AI generated source codes contribution, mainly due to copyright concerns. It is also more difficult to debug.

 

[Henry Ng]

The open source projects I am involved ban AI generated source codes contribution, mainly due to copyright concerns. It is also more difficult to debug.

I was a bit blur when i read the search result from the AI chat. Singapore should be all fibre optic ready so it can not be that SH only 95% fibre optic network coverage. I just learned how to use AI during my skill future course.

 

[rebornsoul]

I was a bit blur when i read the search result from the AI chat. Singapore should be all fibre optic ready so it can not be that SH only 95% fibre optic network coverage. I just learned how to use AI during my skill future course.

Just abit curious, but whats your age Henry? Dont have to reply if dont feel like sharing.

 

[Addiesler]

Hi all, I recently switch from Singtel to StarHub for my broadband services and was given the Nokia Beacon 2 router. I would like to set up a wireless backhaul mesh in my house. So would like to check do I have to get additional Nokia Beacon 2 nodes or can I get a mesh setup from another brand and connect to the Nokia Beacon 2?

 

[xiaofan]

Hi all, I recently switch from Singtel to StarHub for my broadband services and was given the Nokia Beacon 2 router. I would like to set up a wireless backhaul mesh in my house. So would like to check do I have to get additional Nokia Beacon 2 nodes or can I get a mesh setup from another brand and connect to the Nokia Beacon 2?

This thread is about 10Gbps and 5Gbps plans.

Which plan are you using? It is better to ditch Nokia Beacon 2 completely and use another Mesh solution. Do you have LAN ports in the rooms?