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[Booomz]

If Cat 5e cable is short enough (less than 55m), it can support 10Gbps. I have 5e cables at home and I get 10Gbps into every room. Our apartment is small, just one bedroom unit.

Worth a shot, it was done by Singtel many years ago. They routed it through the rooms but I don’t think it’s longer than 55m.

 

[HiHelloBye]

Thanks for that - slightly higher (10ms or so) than Starhub, but not that bad! and MR do a no-frills 3gbit plan which would be ideal - tempting!

SH 10Gbps

Pinging 158.115.197.106 with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 158.115.197.106: bytes=32 time=94ms TTL=47
Reply from 158.115.197.106: bytes=32 time=94ms TTL=47
Reply from 158.115.197.106: bytes=32 time=95ms TTL=47
Reply from 158.115.197.106: bytes=32 time=94ms TTL=47

Pinging 66.40.177.13 with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 66.40.177.13: bytes=32 time=234ms TTL=40
Reply from 66.40.177.13: bytes=32 time=234ms TTL=40
Reply from 66.40.177.13: bytes=32 time=234ms TTL=40
Reply from 66.40.177.13: bytes=32 time=233ms TTL=40

 

[kindredSG]

SH 10Gbps

Pinging 158.115.197.106 with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 158.115.197.106: bytes=32 time=94ms TTL=47

Yeah I have SH, and it is a really good RTT most of the time - but the problem is over the past couple of weeks I've getting random spikes or complete loss of routing 4-5 times a day, which is really annoying if gaming or working from home, so figured I'd look at a cheap backup.

e.g. just now..

 

[sglandscape]

Yeah I have SH, and it is a really good RTT most of the time - but the problem is over the past couple of weeks I've getting random spikes or complete loss of routing 4-5 times a day, which is really annoying if gaming or working from home, so figured I'd look at a cheap backup.

e.g. just now..

Interesting your latency spikes occur at night. For my site to site connection, the spikes typically occur in the morning around 8am, or around the noon period. The latency spikes usually lasts for a couple of minutes and then it's back to normal. It gets irritating if you happen to be using the connection at that point in time.

 

[BBCWatcher]

Worth a shot, it was done by Singtel many years ago. They routed it through the rooms but I don’t think it’s longer than 55m.

Or try 5GBASE-T (5.0 Gb/s) speed if you want.

 

[ElDiavolo90]

Hi Xiao Fan, would you mind giving me the recommendation on what to do for my ISP?
I'm currently using 1 GBPs Singtel Line and i can already recontract now.

I saw your earlier post about Starhub link -> https://www.starhub.com/personal/st...speed-5gbps-ont-at-2955_ultraspeed-5gbps.html

It seems like the above plan is really good for recontracting because it's $10 cheaper than my current one and i have more speed.
Upon further checking, my current Singtel modem is an ONR and i bought 2 Deco M9 Plus Mesh Router that is linked to this ONR. I think my train of thought at the time was that the router they provide was lousy so i just googled which mesh router is good and bought two to cover wifi signal in my home.
1. If i want to maximise the 5 Gbps of the starhub plan above, Do i go with ONT or the ONR offer?
2. I do have a recontracting offer from Singtel that keep me at my current price of 39.99 but upgraded my bandwidth to 2 Gbps.
3. The starhub plan does not have any home line bundled in and i saw online that it seems like starhub has a digital home voice line. But this line can only be linked directly to an ONR? Is this the case or ONT can work or any router can work as well? Do you happen to know anything about this?
4. Is me buying a Deco M9 Plus Mesh Router is basically a silly thing because my modem is an ONR? I'm just curious about this, i did find the coverage are better and i can block ip or mac address.

Kindly for your guidance please.

 

[xiaofan]

Hi Xiao Fan, would you mind giving me the recommendation on what to do for my ISP?
I'm currently using 1 GBPs Singtel Line and i can already recontract now.

I saw your earlier post about Starhub link -> https://www.starhub.com/personal/st...speed-5gbps-ont-at-2955_ultraspeed-5gbps.html

It seems like the above plan is really good for recontracting because it's $10 cheaper than my current one and i have more speed.
Upon further checking, my current Singtel modem is an ONR and i bought 2 Deco M9 Plus Mesh Router that is linked to this ONR. I think my train of thought at the time was that the router they provide was lousy so i just googled which mesh router is good and bought two to cover wifi signal in my home.
1. If i want to maximise the 5 Gbps of the starhub plan above, Do i go with ONT or the ONR offer?
2. I do have a recontracting offer from Singtel that keep me at my current price of 39.99 but upgraded my bandwidth to 2 Gbps.
3. The starhub plan does not have any home line bundled in and i saw online that it seems like starhub has a digital home voice line. But this line can only be linked directly to an ONR? Is this the case or ONT can work or any router can work as well? Do you happen to know anything about this?
4. Is me buying a Deco M9 Plus Mesh Router is basically a silly thing because my modem is an ONR? I'm just curious about this, i did find the coverage are better and i can block ip or mac address.

Kindly for your guidance please.

1. It depends on your budget.
To maximize the Starhub 5Gbps plan, go with the ONT option and buy your own 10G capable wireless router or mesh solution like Deco BE85 (which can mesh with your existing Deco M9+).

To maximize the Starhub 5Gbps plan without paying extra money, go with the ONR option. Nokia XS-2426X-A ONR has one 10G LAN port and it has also AX6000 wireless function. You can also form a mesh with the bundled Nokia Beacon 2.

2. It is okay to go with Singtel 2Gbps plan since you are already using Singtel ONR.

3. Digital voice --> linked to either the ONR or ONT depending on the option you choose. Same as Singtel (digital voice from the Singtel ONR).

Starhub charges S$2.14 per month for Digital Voice (or maybe it is S$2.18 now due to GST increase).

4. Deco M9 Plus is an okay option to go with Singtel ONR. It is a WiFi 5 mesh solution but it seems that it is already good for your use case.

5. My recommendation is to stay with Singtel but upgrade to Singtel 2Gbps in this case. No need to change the connection scheme. No need the trouble to migrating to a new ISP (NLT charge of S$61.04 applies, need to overlap both ISPs for sometime). No need to upgrade your device with a 5Gbps or 10Gbos capable network adapter to chase for the 5Gbps speedtest results.

Singtel ONR LAN port 1 -- Deco M9+ (up to 1Gbps bandwidth)
Singtel ONR LAN port 2 -- Deco M9+ (up to 1Gbps bandwidth)

Current 1Gbps plan --> total combined bandwidth is 1Gbps for both Deco in terms of download and upload.
After upgrade to 2Gbps plan --> total combined bandwidth is 2Gbps for both Deco in terms of download, upload will stay at 1Gbps.

 

[ElDiavolo90]

Thanks for the prompt recommendation!

For Point No 1. Is it possible for me to switch to Starhub ONR Plan and just use my existing Deco M9+? I'm assuming Deco are at least better than the Nokia Beacon? Or it's better to use whatever Starhub provided? This way i'll save $10 per month and have a little bit of trouble in changing ISP.
Also, for NLT charge, this still get charged even though new customer sign up will say free installation?

I googled ONT option router, the prices are crazy. Don't think it make sense to do this option especially since i basically have to upgrade everything to get the most benefit.

 

[xiaofan]

Thanks for the prompt recommendation!

For Point No 1. Is it possible for me to switch to Starhub ONR Plan and just use my existing Deco M9+? I'm assuming Deco are at least better than the Nokia Beacon? Or it's better to use whatever Starhub provided? This way i'll save $10 per month and have a little bit of trouble in changing ISP.
Also, for NLT charge, this still get charged even though new customer sign up will say free installation?

I googled ONT option router, the prices are crazy. Don't think it make sense to do this option especially since i basically have to upgrade everything to get the most benefit.

1. I believe the NLT charge cannot be waived for Starhub and MR. You can check with them.

2. I am not so sure whether Deco M9+ is really better than Nokia Beacon 2 if you can use Ethernet Backhaul. You can compare by yourself.

Deco M9+: triband WiFi 5 router, AC2200
Nokia Beacon 2: dual band WiFi 6 router, AX1800
Nokia XS-2426X-A ONR: dual band WiFi 6, AX6000

3. Take note you still need to upgrade your device (at least one wired device) to have 5Gbps or 10Gbps Network adapter to really benefit from the 5Gbps plan. You can always start with a low cost 2.5G network adapter (PCI-E or USB).

 

[BBCWatcher]

There's no requirement to upgrade your wireless equipment. If StarHub is providing a 5.0 Gb/s fibre line speed you're free to use a fraction of it. You don't get any bonus awarded by anyone for consuming more of the line speed. If 1.0 Gb/s is working great (yes, probably) then just treat a $29.55/month (plus initial fee) 5.0 Gb/s plan like a lower cost 1.0 Gb/s plan. Absolutely no problem with that.

As an analogy, just because your $10/month mobile plan includes 100GB of data doesn't mean your 1GB of data per month actual need must increase. If the $10/month plan is the best value for your needs, even if it's "over spec'ed," great, no problem.

In particular, if your Deco M9 Plus Mesh routers are still getting security updates, fine, no problem. Order StarHub's $29.55/month ONT-based service (with fixed line if you really want it), plug in your Deco M9 Plus Mesh routers, and carry on. That's perfectly valid. (Unless you're trying to impress a girlfriend or boyfriend who won't date someone who can't hit X Gb/s on Speedtest.net? In which case, find another girlfriend or boyfriend because they're not very smart. And spend the money you save on wireless equipment that doesn't offer you value on a box of chocolates, a bottle of champagne, or whatever else you and he/she like.)

 

[xiaofan]

There's no requirement to upgrade your wireless equipment. If StarHub is providing a 5.0 Gb/s fibre line speed you're free to use a fraction of it. You don't get any bonus awarded by anyone for consuming more of the line speed. If 1.0 Gb/s is working great (yes, probably) then just treat a $29.55/month (plus initial fee) 5.0 Gb/s plan like a lower cost 1.0 Gb/s plan. Absolutely no problem with that.

As an analogy, just because your $10/month mobile plan includes 100GB of data doesn't mean your 1GB of data per month actual need must increase. If the $10/month plan is the best value for your needs, even if it's "over spec'ed," great, no problem.

Haha, even though this is true. people will start to see if they really get 5Gbps from the ISP or not. They want to see the nice SpeedTest number. So they will start to upgrade.

To me this is a good thing anyway. It is good to have some budget on good netowrking gears. If people can spend S$1000 plus on a mobile phone, what is the problem of spending S$400 on a wireless router or S$100 on a network adapter? Often I see people get the high end Apple or Samsung mobile phones, high end Gaming PCs, but then do not even want to spend S$200 on a wireless router, yet complain about lousy wireless performance...

The analogy to 100GB data -- initially the user only needs 5GB per month, later he will start to use Youtube or things like that and then use 20GB or more.

BTW, my budget on an Android phone is S$400, the same as my budget for a decent 10G capable WiFi 7 router with 6GHz band (still waiting for the 10G capable WiFi router to drop to this price).

 

[BBCWatcher]

Haha, even though this is true. people will start to see if they really get 5Gbps from the ISP. They want to see the nice SpeedTest number. So they will start to upgrade.

Maybe, maybe not. What's the rush?

If the ISP wants to run a 5.0 Gb/s line instead of a 1.0 Gb/s line for the same or lower price, fine, no problem. A higher fibre line speed doesn't take anything away. But it often doesn't add any material value either. It'd be nice if a higher fibre line speed would change your life for the better in some substantial way. But it probably won't, at least not any time soon. It's perfectly OK to be content with what you have, and what you have is already a big fat pipe.

 

[ElDiavolo90]

Thanks guys for the recommendation. I'll check with Starhub, and if it's free i probably will go with Starhub as it's cheaper by $10. Yeah i understand that to truly utilize 5G, you'll need to have compatible devices and compatible routers. I'm mainly going there for the price reduction though. Makes no sense to go with ONT since i don't plan to buy a really good router as they are really expensive.

One last thing, for the ethernet backhaul thing, to clarify. Is it going to be done this way?
1st. Connect an ethernet cable from ONR to 1st Deco M9+ and link another ethernet cable from 1st Deco to 2nd Deco and then finally test the speed.
2nd. Connect and ethernet cable from ONR to Nokia Beacon 2 and then finally test the speed.

Compare the speed from both devices. Whichever faster is the option to go for? Is this how we can conduct this test?

 

[xiaofan]

Thanks guys for the recommendation. I'll check with Starhub, and if it's free i probably will go with Starhub as it's cheaper by $10. Yeah i understand that to truly utilize 5G, you'll need to have compatible devices and compatible routers. I'm mainly going there for the price reduction though. Makes no sense to go with ONT since i don't plan to buy a really good router as they are really expensive.

One last thing, for the ethernet backhaul thing, to clarify. Is it going to be done this way?
1st. Connect an ethernet cable from ONR to 1st Deco M9+ and link another ethernet cable from 1st Deco to 2nd Deco and then finally test the speed.
2nd. Connect and ethernet cable from ONR to Nokia Beacon 2 and then finally test the speed.

Compare the speed from both devices. Whichever faster is the option to go for? Is this how we can conduct this test?

Yes you can check wireless speed using this way.

BTW, depending on your network topology, it may be easier to go with the following option for your Deco setup.

Nokia ONR 10G LAN port --> PCs with 2.5G (pretty cheap) or 5G NIC (there are cheap options but not so common).
Nokia ONR 1G LAN port --> Deco M9+ 1st unit in AP mode
Nokia ONR 1G LAN port --> Deco M9+ 2nd unit
Nokia ONR 1G LAN port --> Wired device like Smart TV (optional)

This may be easier than your connection scheme.
Nokia ONR 1G LAN port --> Deco M9+ 1st unit --> Deco M9+ 2nd unit.

Most likely your Deco M9+ setup will have better wireless coverage, but you may need to have two wireless SSIDs, one for the Nokia and one for the Deco. Personally I like to use two SSIDs at home. But I understand many people would like to have single wireless SSID and seamless roaming.

Take note Nokia ONR itself is rated AX6000 and your WiFi 6 devices may get much better speed when connecting to the Nokia ONR compared to your Deco M9+. Even the lousy Nokia Beacon 2 may beat Deco M9+ in terms of WiFi speed for your WiFi 6 devices.

 

[xiaofan]

Maybe, maybe not. What's the rush?

If the ISP wants to run a 5.0 Gb/s line instead of a 1.0 Gb/s line for the same or lower price, fine, no problem. A higher fibre line speed doesn't take anything away. But it often doesn't add any material value either. It'd be nice if a higher fibre line speed would change your life for the better in some substantial way. But it probably won't, at least not any time soon. It's perfectly OK to be content with what you have, and what you have is already a big fat pipe.

You are of course right here.

I am just describing what I am seeing here, including my own experiences.

 

[ElDiavolo90]

Thanks for all the help xiaofan! You're awesome.
FYI, i've checked with Starhub with the sales rep, NLT charge is free for new sign up.

 

[xiaofan]

Thanks for all the help xiaofan! You're awesome.
FYI, i've checked with Starhub with the sales rep, NLT charge is free for new sign up.

That is nice. Thanks for the updates.

 

[BBCWatcher]

Thanks guys for the recommendation. I'll check with Starhub, and if it's free i probably will go with Starhub as it's cheaper by $10. Yeah i understand that to truly utilize 5G, you'll need to have compatible devices and compatible routers. I'm mainly going there for the price reduction though. Makes no sense to go with ONT since i don't plan to buy a really good router as they are really expensive.

You're not required to buy a "really good router"! The ONT option gives you more flexibility with current or new equipment, as you prefer. Whether you value this flexibility or not depends on your situation and preferences.

If SP Services installs a bigger water pipe into your house for the same or lower price does that mean you're supposed to take longer showers? Or use the toilet more often? No, of course not.

Now, I should point out that the TP-Link Deco M9 Plus appears to be cut off from security updates. But that's already been true for a couple years, so it's not a new problem. Increasing the line speed and/or changing ISPs has no impact on that pre-existing reality. There are "less than really good" routers that are getting a really good, really timely stream of security updates. Isn't that actually really good? I'd say yes, but it depends on your point of view I suppose.

 

[ElDiavolo90]

yeah i gotchu now. Thanks for the prompt advice bro. You make really good points.

 

[ShrmnK]

Yeah I have SH, and it is a really good RTT most of the time - but the problem is over the past couple of weeks I've getting random spikes or complete loss of routing 4-5 times a day, which is really annoying if gaming or working from home, so figured I'd look at a cheap backup.

e.g. just now..

Hey possible to share what tool/software you're using to graph and track pings?