[LIVE AS WE GO] Pritam Singh goes on trial for charges of lying to Parliament

[xdivider]

today no live update?

after 11.......

 

[mryang]

 

[s-ghost]

welcome everybody!

 

[mryang]

Any software that will do a deep analysis of redacted PDF to see if there is any recoverable information?

 

[meridian]

Any software that will do a deep analysis of redacted PDF to see if there is any recoverable information?

Wa paging for edmw sexperts

 

[charleslee1989]

Speaking to reporters on Thursday, Mr Singh laid out the timeline of events:

• Before Aug 3, in preparing her speech on a parliamentary motion on empowering women, Ms Raeesah was put on notice through the WP’s usual pre-parliamentary processes to be ready to substantiate the account that she had followed the victim to the police station, in the event that she was queried in the course of the debate
• On Aug 3, Ms Raeesah delivered her speech in Parliament. She was questioned by Mr Desmond Tan, Minister of State for Home Affairs, on the allegations she made about the police
• In the course of the days that followed, Mr Singh asked Ms Raeesah to make her best efforts to contact the victim or to contact the individuals who brought the victim’s case to her attention and to extend the necessary information to Mr Tan. Initially, Ms Raeesah stuck to her untruth
• About a week after speech, after being repeatedly pressed, a number of “new facts and disturbing personal revelations were disclosed”, including her sexual assault and other related matters of “a deeply personal nature”. Ms Raeesah said that she was not truthful about accompanying the victim to the police station due to her personal trauma and sexual assault
• Out of concern that she had not revealed her sexual assault to her family and her trauma, Mr Singh said that he was “prepared to give her the space necessary to address the matter with her loved ones”
• In September, Ms Raeesah came down with shingles and did not attend Parliament. It was made known to her before a parliamentary sitting in October that any parliamentary clarification on this matter was hers to make, in her capacity as an elected MP
• On Oct 4, Ms Raeesah repeated the untruths when questioned by Mr K Shanmugam, Minister for Home and Law Affairs

https://www.todayonline.com/singapo...-public-admission-decided-let-her-talk-family

So essentially, .. on 03 Aug 2021, Raeesah lied in Parliament.

A week or so later, .. say on 10-11 Aug 2021, she 'fessed up to WP's leadership about her lies.

More than 6 weeks later, on 04 Oct 2021, she continued her false narrative in Parliament, to her fellow MPs, which includes WP's leadership, ... where Pritam & those within the party who are well aware that those statements were lies, ... and for whatever reasons, valid or otherwise, chose not to say/do anything about it there and then?

As the good old saying goes, You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.


and conveniently, you chose to ignore what transpired during this trial as well....

 

[testart]

Why did YN want RK continue the lie?

 

[ofallpplwhyme]

Redacted messages at centre of trial as Defence seeks access to AGC-reviewed evidence - The Online Citizen
https://www.theonlinecitizen.com/20...efence-seeks-access-to-agc-reviewed-evidence/

Just wondering when did Khan told Singh, she was a survivor? Was thinking was it related to the 10 August, 8:24AM message by Khan. And whether the "take it to the grave" actually relates to being a survivor.

 

[mryang]

It is Lao hong loh pay grade to tell PS off to spell RK correctly Sia...??? Instead of using ray?

 

[yperic]

Pritam’s trial continues for seventh day

Good morning and welcome back to The Straits Times’ live coverage of the trial involving Workers’ Party (WP) chief Pritam Singh. It will begin at 11am.

Singh is contesting two charges of lying to a parliamentary committee in relation to a case involving his party’s former MP Raeesah Khan.

On Aug 3, 2021, Ms Khan lied in Parliament about having accompanied a rape victim to a police station, and raised questions about the police’s treatment of the victim. The committee was convened in November 2021 to look into this controversy.

This morning, Singh’s lawyer Andre Jumabhoy will continue to cross-examine Mr Yudhishthra Nathan, one of Ms Khan’s former aides. Former WP secretary-general Low Thia Khiang is expected to take the stand in the afternoon.

 

[Suporter]

As the good old saying goes, You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.


and conveniently, you chose to ignore what transpired during this trial as well....

Worse is kana kicked by the horse

 

[coldish]

Why did YN want RK continue the lie?

My boss cum friend tell lie. I helped to lie so that I appear to be a good subordinate and friend to my boss.
Is not I want de.

 

[mryang]

Just wondering when did Khan told Singh, she was a survivor? Was thinking was it related to the 10 August, 8:24AM message by Khan. And whether the "take it to the grave" actually relates to being a survivor.

In personal convo or thru WhatsApp?

 

[EdenHazard]

Thanks for this recap.. lots of redacted sia. We need the juicy messages

 

[mryang]

Thanks for this recap.. lots of redacted sia. We need the juicy messages

It requires 3 hard hours to redact the msg leh

 

[xdivider]

Just wondering when did Khan told Singh, she was a survivor? Was thinking was it related to the 10 August, 8:24AM message by Khan. And whether the "take it to the grave" actually relates to being a survivor.

after the first lie, she was qn by sl, mf and ps. she claimed to be a victim then i think they decided to give her time to tell her parents first. mf was on record consoling her. after that she kept stonewalling on admitting. oct she lie again, presumably on the advice of the stooges as it seems. ltk 's part was probably is juz sexpose her without caring for her feeling.......

 

[charleslee1989]

Pritam’s trial continues for seventh day

Good morning and welcome back to The Straits Times’ live coverage of the trial involving Workers’ Party (WP) chief Pritam Singh. It will begin at 11am.

Singh is contesting two charges of lying to a parliamentary committee in relation to a case involving his party’s former MP Raeesah Khan.

On Aug 3, 2021, Ms Khan lied in Parliament about having accompanied a rape victim to a police station, and raised questions about the police’s treatment of the victim. The committee was convened in November 2021 to look into this controversy.

This morning, Singh’s lawyer Andre Jumabhoy will continue to cross-examine Mr Yudhishthra Nathan, one of Ms Khan’s former aides. Former WP secretary-general Low Thia Khiang is expected to take the stand in the afternoon.

Referee went to the monitor to look at VAR liao....

 

[wongkc]

I find Mr Jumabhoy questioning style suits US jury system more... he casts a lot of reasonable doubt into witnesses account... a lot of inconsistencies in witnesses evidence... the juries sure got a lot of doubts about the reliability of the witnesses...

But here is Judge base system... so ultimately still up to the judge to decide...

 

[EdenHazard]

I find Mr Jumabhoy questioning style suits US jury system more... he casts a lot of reasonable doubt into witnesses account... a lot of inconsistencies in witnesses evidence... the juries sure got a lot of doubts about the reliability of the witnesses...

But here is Judge base system... so ultimately still up to the judge to decide...

Ya sia, he like the Suits Mike ross

 

[yperic]

Recap of day 6 of hearing

Here are the highlights from yesterday, when former Workers’ Party (WP) cadre Yudishthra Nathan was cross-examined by defence lawyer Andre Jumabhoy:

• Before the night of Oct 12, 2021, Mr Yudishthra Nathan was concerned that WP leaders had not come up with a proper plan for Ms Raeesah Khan to come clean about her lie. His position up to that point was therefore for her to “actively maintain the lie”.
• Mr Nathan testified he was initially surprised when he heard that WP leaders had asked Ms Khan to take the lie to the grave. But he accepted the party’s position as he felt that party chief Pritam Singh “would be the one calling the shots” on such serious matters. When pressed on why he chose not to say anything, despite prior instances of publicly criticising party positions he had disagreed with, Mr Nathan said he had taken Singh’s direction on party issues and matters most of the time when working with him.
• Mr Nathan was also asked about his recollection in his first day in court about Singh saying that “conservative religious men in our society would not like to have an MP who was sexually assaulted”. Singh’s lawyer Andre Jumabhoy asked why he did not call out Singh for such a “bigoted response”, and Mr Nathan replied that “it wasn’t surprising” that Singh had said that. The lawyer then put it to Mr Nathan that he had made up the anecdote. Mr Nathan disagreed.
• Initially, Mr Nathan said he redacted a message because he felt it was immaterial to the Committee of Privileges (COP) hearing. After being pressed by Mr Jumabhoy, he said he “partially agrees” that the reason he redacted the message was that it put him in a bad light.
• Mr Nathan said he was “pretty sure” he did not suggest to Singh at an Oct 12, 2021, meeting that Ms Khan should maintain her lie. This contradicted earlier testimony by Ms Loh Pei Ying, who was also at the meeting, said Mr Jumabhoy. Pressed on this, Mr Nathan said he could not recall having suggested this to the WP chief. Mr Jumabhoy replied: “This feels like Who Wants To Be A Millionaire. Is that your final answer?”
• Mr Nathan and Ms Loh had breached explicit instructions not to discuss their evidence to the COP hearing. Mr Nathan conceded this after Mr Jumabhoy pressed him on whether he knew he could not discuss the evidence with anyone.
• The defence has made an application to the court seeking redacted and unredacted versions of Mr Nathan’s submitted evidence to the COP, which Mr Jumabhoy said goes directly to whether Mr Nathan’s and Ms Loh’s testimonies were credible. The prosecution argued that the defence was trying to get the judge to rule on the COP’s proceedings, to which Deputy Principal District Judge Luke Tan said he would not make any such findings as they would not be relevant to the trial.
• The judge noted that the prosecution’s case included what Singh told Mr Nathan and Ms Loh on Oct 12, 2021, so the issue of the two witnesses’ credibility matters. He would review the message logs alongside Mr Nathan’s evidence, before deciding whether to grant the defence’s application.