[LIVE AS WE GO] Pritam Singh goes on trial for charges of lying to Parliament

[clon33]

This is to be expected from these "no accountability" guys mah

Too complacent and thought it was an easy case

Still remember the LML and maid case? Never see how sloppy they were with the collection of "evidence" to the presentation of faulty equipment in court

You are absolutely right.

In the Parti Liyani appellate court case, PAP Ministar Shanmugam was forced to come clean on the police lapses in Parliament.

In this Pritam Singh trial, the public only came to know that all 3 of the AGC prosecution witnesses admited to lying during cross examination by the defense lawyer.

PAP Ministar Shanmugam should be grilled in Parliament to give an explanation why the AGC prosecution witness were allowed to redact material evidence?

And did the SPF check that the witness statements given to COP Committee corroborate with their unredacted messages?

https://www.straitstimes.com/singap...liyanis-case-neglected-their-duties-shanmugam

Spoiler: PAP Minister Shanmugam on police lapse in Parti Liyani case

On Monday, Mr Shanmugam told the House both the investigation officer (IO) and his supervisor had neglected their duties, resulting in lapses.

He listed three lapses that were found.

The first was that the IO did not visit the scene of crime to promptly carry out investigations and gather evidence, contributing to a break in the chain of custody for some exhibits.

The second was that the IO did not properly verify some of the claims made by parties during the investigation.

The third lapse was the supervisor not providing sufficient guidance.

 

[sky00sky]

I never follow the entire thing so please spoonfeed me.

How did the judge get hold of the redacted messages?

he just requested when made know of the circumstances

 

[carey]

the issue is the GRC system la..

like my friend last time say he want vote for opposition. but the opposition is the reform party, the 成何体统 guy.. he say he where dare to vote for them just for the sake of having a opposition..

you can have 1 or 2 very good opposition.. but when u need to form a GRC it is completely different.. especially what's more the GRC need to represent the different races.. just like u see how this GRC kena sabo by RK..

It was intentional

 

[LambTaco]

I never follow the entire thing so please spoonfeed me.

How did the judge get hold of the redacted messages?

Judge has access to all info needed for the trial and if either parties did not submit that document to the judge, then the judge can request for those documents himself to review them

 

[fire]

You are absolutely right.

In the Parti Liyani appellate court case, PAP Ministar Shanmugam was forced to come clean on the police lapses in Parliament.

In this Pritam Singh trial, the public only came to know that all 3 of the AGC prosecution witnesses admited to lying during cross examination by the defense lawyer.

PAP Ministar Shanmugam should be grilled in Parliament to give an explanation why the AGC prosecution witness were allowed to redact material evidence?

And did the SPF check that the witness statements given to COP Committee corroborate with their unredacted messages?

https://www.straitstimes.com/singap...liyanis-case-neglected-their-duties-shanmugam

Spoiler: PAP Minister Shanmugam on police lapse in Parti Liyani case

On Monday, Mr Shanmugam told the House both the investigation officer (IO) and his supervisor had neglected their duties, resulting in lapses.

He listed three lapses that were found.

The first was that the IO did not visit the scene of crime to promptly carry out investigations and gather evidence, contributing to a break in the chain of custody for some exhibits.

The second was that the IO did not properly verify some of the claims made by parties during the investigation.

The third lapse was the supervisor not providing sufficient guidance.

Prosecution still have the IO witness tao be called after LTK. Then can watch the defence grilling him

 

[carey]

Mr Nathan elaborated when asked again later if the message made him look bad: “I would say that, to some degree, yes. But even at that point in time I felt that, in relative terms, my party leaders had already set the direction and I was fearful for the party. It was a very real fear and that was my state of mind at that point in time.”

minion thinks he's greater than his leaders, he's got main character syndrome - look at his dressing in court with the pocket handkerchief ... gotta feeling these 3 have the demeanour of people who know they are beyond prosecution(like immunity if they testify) , if you know what I mean - like they lie on the stand then when found out say 'sure'

Let's see if he can still wear his fancy 3-piece suit when he goes in to squat

 

[Capitalist]

Speaking to reporters on Thursday, Mr Singh laid out the timeline of events:

• Before Aug 3, in preparing her speech on a parliamentary motion on empowering women, Ms Raeesah was put on notice through the WP’s usual pre-parliamentary processes to be ready to substantiate the account that she had followed the victim to the police station, in the event that she was queried in the course of the debate
• On Aug 3, Ms Raeesah delivered her speech in Parliament. She was questioned by Mr Desmond Tan, Minister of State for Home Affairs, on the allegations she made about the police
• In the course of the days that followed, Mr Singh asked Ms Raeesah to make her best efforts to contact the victim or to contact the individuals who brought the victim’s case to her attention and to extend the necessary information to Mr Tan. Initially, Ms Raeesah stuck to her untruth
• About a week after speech, after being repeatedly pressed, a number of “new facts and disturbing personal revelations were disclosed”, including her sexual assault and other related matters of “a deeply personal nature”. Ms Raeesah said that she was not truthful about accompanying the victim to the police station due to her personal trauma and sexual assault
• Out of concern that she had not revealed her sexual assault to her family and her trauma, Mr Singh said that he was “prepared to give her the space necessary to address the matter with her loved ones”
• In September, Ms Raeesah came down with shingles and did not attend Parliament. It was made known to her before a parliamentary sitting in October that any parliamentary clarification on this matter was hers to make, in her capacity as an elected MP
• On Oct 4, Ms Raeesah repeated the untruths when questioned by Mr K Shanmugam, Minister for Home and Law Affairs

https://www.todayonline.com/singapo...-public-admission-decided-let-her-talk-family

So essentially, .. on 03 Aug 2021, Raeesah lied in Parliament.

A week or so later, .. say on 10-11 Aug 2021, she 'fessed up to WP's leadership about her lies.

More than 6 weeks later, on 04 Oct 2021, she continued her false narrative in Parliament, to her fellow MPs, which includes WP's leadership, ... where Pritam & those within the party who are well aware that those statements were lies, ... and for whatever reasons, valid or otherwise, chose not to say/do anything about it there and then?

 

[mryang]

One hour more to go

 

[mryang]

Redacted messages at centre of trial as Defence seeks access to AGC-reviewed evidence - The Online Citizen
https://www.theonlinecitizen.com/20...efence-seeks-access-to-agc-reviewed-evidence/

 

[carey]

Whether she wants to fart or not… is her decision right… need other pple to stop her fart?

That's why PS said he won't judge her mah

 

[testart]

This 3 clown reminded me of this modern proverb on assumptions

When you assume, you make an ass out of you and me

Without proper clarification and information, it leads to misunderstanding and mistakes everyone involved

I learnt that is important to have clear communication and verification before drawing conclusions

 

[coldish]

Redacted messages at centre of trial as Defence seeks access to AGC-reviewed evidence - The Online Citizen
https://www.theonlinecitizen.com/20...efence-seeks-access-to-agc-reviewed-evidence/

Actually there is a risk that defence is opening up the redacted messages right
I mean what if those messages are disadvantageous to Pritam and WP?

 

[xdivider]

Redacted messages at centre of trial as Defence seeks access to AGC-reviewed evidence - The Online Citizen
https://www.theonlinecitizen.com/20...efence-seeks-access-to-agc-reviewed-evidence/

doesnt say anything about take it to grave for oct........

 

[Weeli85]

fine $10k can strip of MP title already.

Up to 10k, mean not really will get 10k fine...

 

[TitanSmall]

Actually there is a risk that defence is opening up the redacted messages right
I mean what if those messages are disadvantageous to Pritam and WP?

then too bad. but at least everything is there for all to see.

but the fact is.. if it is a disadvantage to Pritam, why would the prosecution allow the redact?

 

[xdivider]

Actually there is a risk that defence is opening up the redacted messages right
I mean what if those messages are disadvantageous to Pritam and WP?

at the point of time, dun matter le. point is probably to catch the 2 clowns telling each other to back up each other's lies. PS's position is they lied on their own. their position is they lie on his orders....

 

[sky00sky]

and maybe everyone assume that PS knew , cos RK texted i told him already

 

[Weeli85]

Actually there is a risk that defence is opening up the redacted messages right
I mean what if those messages are disadvantageous to Pritam and WP?

The 2 clowns most probably won't help PS... the way they lied benefit more on RK....

 

[Kiwi8]

Actually there is a risk that defence is opening up the redacted messages right
I mean what if those messages are disadvantageous to Pritam and WP?

If u know very well the COP agenda is to fix Pritam and hence to find all evidence that can help in doing that, why would they redact any evidence that is disadvantageous to Pritam?

 

[batdow]

today no live update?