Really a lot of people around me who migrated overseas come back to Singapore.

[cyke69sg]

yep, that I agree...In S'pore work life balance refers to You work, Your towkuays get his Life & Balances $$$

However sinkies are rather suspectable to any misinformation dished out by the pap -- to the pt some already left gotten a life overseas end up coming back

Blame PAP for what?

SG has always been like that. Is SGreans ownself want. Be rich. Pay low taxes. Ownself care ownself.

People go back SG cos SG is better for them. High salary low taxes.

PAP do what SGreans want. That's why they still so popular all these years.

 

[cyke69sg]

tio bo?

early working years is chiong in SG and climb ladder gao gao + BTO early + clear cheap HDB loan + earn SGD

late 30s, jitao rent out hdb + jump go US chiong work and earn USD

late 50s, jump go Oz for free healthcare / retirement

Wah from hop now is jump around! Jskm!

 

[forests_gump]

Blame PAP for what?

SG has always been like that. Is SGreans ownself want. Be rich. Pay low taxes. Ownself care ownself.

People go back SG cos SG is better for them. High salary low taxes.

PAP do what SGreans want. That's why they still so popular all these years.

Not true wor...my pappy born during war time, receive little education, yet he had no problem feeding the family, having much time after work to play badminton with us in the open court and giving us a roof during lky time.

Now is different...so I voted for Wisely.

 

[cyke69sg]

Not true wor...my pappy born during war time, receive little education, yet he had no problem feeding the family, having much time after work to play badminton with us in the open court and giving us a roof during lky time.

Now is different...so I voted for Wisely.

Nowadays standard of living much higher than that.

Who wants to play badminton in open court?

HDB still have.

SGreans are rich like fk

They go Japan holiday . Korea. Switzerland.

SGD so strong.

QOL has surpassed Switzerland

You go ask @Bumperbee88 @AuraKUPO @nyvrem @coyote

 

[forests_gump]

Nowadays standard of living much higher than that.

Who wants to play badminton in open court?

HDB still have.

SGreans are rich like fk

They go Japan holiday . Korea. Switzerland.

SGD so strong.

QOL has surpassed Switzerland

You go ask @Bumperbee88 @AuraKUPO @nyvrem @coyote

So therefore, I would think the issue regarding this topic of migration is what you want to be (for middle class):

A daily highly stress lifestyle, for making way more $$$$ for basic needs, for enjoying perks like various kids elective enrichment programs, choice tours occasionally.
vs
Overseas daily work lifestyle balance, having $$ for basic needs, for enjoy nature (if you know where/afford to stay) the carefree quality time with your children.

 

[1 Ghz]

Not everyone who moves (back) into SG failed overseas.

Look up the story of Eduardo Saverin; I'm sure there are many more like him who aren't in the news.

There aren't many countries in the world with zero capital gains tax, zero estate/inheritance tax, territorial taxation system, and easy access to US and European equity markets. Ever tried opening a bank account in SG and being asked if you are a US, EU or AU resident?

SG work culture is generally bad, but if you can avoid that, it's a pretty good place to live, minus the weather.

 

[nyvrem]

Wah from hop now is jump around! Jskm!

everytime u r able to hop and jump around, means u got more mobility

 

[nyvrem]

Nowadays standard of living much higher than that.

Who wants to play badminton in open court?

HDB still have.

SGreans are rich like fk

They go Japan holiday . Korea. Switzerland.

SGD so strong.

QOL has surpassed Switzerland

You go ask @Bumperbee88 @AuraKUPO @nyvrem @coyote

Yes, sinkies r jin rich

god bless pap

 

[cyke69sg]

So therefore, I would think the issue regarding this topic of migration is what you want to be (for middle class):

A daily highly stress lifestyle, for making way more $$$$ for basic needs, for enjoying perks like various kids elective enrichment programs, choice tours occasionally.
vs
Overseas daily work lifestyle balance, having $$ for basic needs, for enjoy nature (if you know where/afford to stay) the carefree quality time with your children.

Your impression of overseas is incorrect.

overseas is pay is low tax is high. Basic needs also hard to cover. Not that cheap. There is other costs like repairs to house and car. So expensive have to do it yourself. Go youtube learn how to fix plumbing and electrical issues. Windows. Siding. Concrete work. Garden issues. Landscaping. Car oil changes. Tire changeovers. Change brakes. Suspension. Spark plugs. Battery. Roof problems. Exhaust fans. Kitchen garburator. Go to home Depot hardware store often. Car parts shops.

A LOT of time spent on these maintenance things. PLUS work. Earn little. Spend what time carefree quality with kids?

Also same lah as SG except is go to nearby park for picnic instead of fly to Japan to go skiing.

SGreans really have no idea how lucky they are.

 

[forests_gump]

Your impression of overseas is incorrect.

overseas is pay is low tax is high. Basic needs also hard to cover. Not that cheap. There is other costs like repairs to house and car. So expensive have to do it yourself. Go youtube learn how to fix plumbing and electrical issues. Windows. Siding. Concrete work. Garden issues. Landscaping. Car oil changes. Tire changeovers. Change brakes. Suspension. Spark plugs. Battery. Roof problems. Exhaust fans. Kitchen garburator. Go to home Depot hardware store often. Car parts shops.

A LOT of time spent on these maintenance things. PLUS work. Earn little. Spend what time carefree quality with kids?

Also same lah as SG except is go to nearby park for picnic instead of fly to Japan to go skiing.

SGreans really have no idea how lucky they are.

Somewhat disagree... Probably you missed I mention I lived overseas almost 2 decades felt even stronger of not coming back - thus sharing my 2 cents worth.

Those going overseas would need keep the following in mind, otherwise things can go rather wrong:

# Akin to anyone entering marketplace -
So which marketplace (is good for your career path) vs which country suits your development (matches your profile, industry)

# Expats risk
Expats community are rather varied, different walks and stages of life (established millionaire multiple business owner, diplomats, young family, exchange students, retirees, short-term expats, etc) -- pros is new expats tend to develop independent thinking, DIY (learning totally new system of getting things done in host country), gain larger exposure wider insights and become learned/gain wisdom quicker because expats circles are smaller contrast is more obvious, but cons is new expats easily lost sight of themselves as they minge with other expats, tend to lose focus why they came, overspent, lost track of time and made bad investment/lifestyle choice.
In short -- lack discipline, felt like land of oz

It is not that you don't make mistakes, but if you recognize and reorg your life from your mistakes in time, maturity develops in shorter time frame when compared to living in familiarity of home country (eg. standard template of Singapore).

[Real example I notice: S'poreans are brought up in green house environment, compared to Malaysians, being 2nd class citizens for generations, they already made up their mind to make a difference for themselves since young by their parents

By the way, S'poreans are also fast becoming 2nd class citizens, but like frog get boil in warm water, they didn't consider the world is their oyster]

Once you get these 2 areas # right, you should be on your way to stabilize your oversea life towards longer term. The experience gain will benefit your perspective for entire life.

 

[cyke69sg]

Somewhat disagree... Probably you missed I mention I lived overseas almost 2 decades felt even stronger of not coming back - thus sharing my 2 cents worth.

Those going overseas would require the following, otherwise things can go rather wrong:

# Akin to anyone entering marketplace -
So which marketplace (is good for your career path) vs which country suits your development (matches your profile, industry)

# Expats risk
Expats community are rather varied, different walks and stages of life (established millionaire multiple business owner, diplomats, young family, exchange students, retirees, short-term expats, etc) -- pros is new expats tend to develop independent thinking, DIY, gain larger exposure wider insights and become learned/gain wisdom quicker because expats circles are smaller contrast is more obvious, but cons is new expats easily lost sight of themselves as they minge with other expats, tend to lose focus why they came, overspent, lost track of time and made bad investment/lifestyle choice.
In short -- lack discipline, felt like land of oz

It is not that you don't make mistakes, but ig you recognize and reorg from your mistakes faster, develop maturity in shorter time frame when compared to living in familiarity of home country (eg. standard template of Singapore).

Once you get these 2 areas right, you should be on your way to stabilize your oversea life towards longer term. The experience gain will benefit your perspective for entire life.

Which countries did you spend 2 decades in?

So you are overseas now? Not in Singapore?

 

[forests_gump]

Which countries did you spend 2 decades in?

So you are overseas now? Not in Singapore?

I learned, like you, not to reveal too much... it is not wise for many reasons.

However my earlier post maybe somewhat useful to some

 

[cyke69sg]

I learned, like you, not to reveal too much... it is not wise for many reasons.

However my earlier post maybe somewhat useful to some

Ah I see. You same as another EDMWer here.

I have friends of your nationality here in Calgary too. One of them moved to SG last year. Doing very well.

The trend now is to move to Asia. SG is for those who can get the high paying jobs. SG is most modern efficient and safe in Asia. So the well heeled and rich will go to SG.

The poor go to the other places like Thailand and Vietnam.

 

[tian_yibang]

Lol

Its bcos they see our pee ah pee hv been giving out "generous" goodies, they dun want lose out anymore so all cumback lo (dun say first will take back whole chix later)

Whatsmore, we all know this yr ish what yr

Overseas they hab CDC/CVC, GST money, Assurance Package, NS credits, U-save rebates, $1 eggs, $1 rice, community events with fwee sweet treats, ice creams, teddy bears etc all that boh ?

 

[inf|uencer]

Norway is outperforming wealth fund of Singapore and has unemployment benefits btw

 

[yangsss]

I guess, it's all about how suitable you are to the country, not that SG is bad or AU is good, AU is bad or SG is good. It works different for everyone.

For us, we made lots of aussie friends, went for our footy, assimilate and immersed into Aussie culture, my wife and I both found full time employment, got our PRs, bought a house, paid our bills.

But eventually we came back, and I am glad we did.

Might prob be because we didn't have kids, we don't intend to. And we agree that aussie might be a better place to raise one, or two or three kids.

But for 2 working adults? Taxes killed us, we done our sums and we would have way more income after taxes in SG as a sandwiched middle-income couple, and not to forget... CPF.

I won't talk about the negative of 'straya but we returned back for family, and maybe the perks of easy travelling within and out of Asia, and it was an adventure overall.

I would encourage all whom are hesitating to give it a go, at least you might discover that grass is or isn't that greener after all on the other side, and a little something about yourselves.

Don't say no PR cannot go, I went through the super extreme route, didnt qualify for what SOL/CSOL cause my work is totally out of the skilled list & I am not in my prime age & my highest quali was Diploma. Quit my job in SG -> went for a postgrad subclass 573 -> and then secure a job for RSMS subclass 187.

(you'll be surprised actually quite a number of our Aussies colleagues and friends, envy Singaporeans and they wanna migrate or at least work here in Singapore)

 

[samloi]

I guess, it's all about how suitable you are to the country, not that SG is bad or AU is good, AU is bad or SG is good. It works different for everyone.

For us, we made lots of aussie friends, went for our footy, assimilate and immersed into Aussie culture, my wife and I both found full time employment, got our PRs, bought a house, paid our bills.

But eventually we came back, and I am glad we did.

Might prob be because we didn't have kids, we don't intend to. And we agree that aussie might be a better place to raise one, or two or three kids.

But for 2 working adults? Taxes killed us, we done our sums and we would have way more income after taxes in SG as a sandwiched middle-income couple, and not to forget... CPF.

I won't talk about the negative of 'straya but we returned back for family, and maybe the perks of easy travelling within and out of Asia, and it was an adventure overall.

I would encourage all whom are hesitating to give it a go, at least you might discover that grass is or isn't that greener after all on the other side, and a little something about yourselves.

Don't say no PR cannot go, I went through the super extreme route, didnt qualify for what SOL/CSOL cause my work is totally out of the skilled list & I am not in my prime age & my highest quali was Diploma. Quit my job in SG -> went for a postgrad subclass 573 -> and then secure a job for RSMS subclass 187.

(you'll be surprised actually quite a number of our Aussies colleagues and friends, envy Singaporeans and they wanna migrate or at least work here in Singapore)

I always felt middle class in AU after taxes, should be similar to SG middle class. Downside is no CPF.
Most ppl out there do envy Singapore, but they cannot accept the rules and regulations that creates the system that causes their envy......if you know what i mean

 

[MiG123]

SG is always a good place to work and earn $$, but nothing else.

 

[ceestudent]

Walan eh, why some of you go against edmw narrative. Here we complaint about living in sg is like hell and living overseas is like heaven one. Please stop sharing the unglam stories living overseas!

 

[Joe Maya]

SG is always a good place to work and earn $$, but nothing else.

Voting for PAP in the next GE!!!!!