[Official] EDMW Jobless Club - Part 8

[Heriophant]

have to compete with foreigners, thank the PAP for importing so many

recent GE shows many sinkiekias approve, likely those who are renting out to these foreigners

I just went to over causeway this week. So many new CECA/PRC famlies at Customs having SG passports with thick accents..

I was standing there asking myself whats the point of doing NS..

 

[Heriophant]

I work at macd part time.. Not good

30min break only

These days I walk around malls they advertise F&B roles up to 4k+ ... Dunno if real anot.. Thats almost fresh grad salaries le

 

[Milo-Dino]

These days I walk around malls they advertise F&B roles up to 4k+ ... Dunno if real anot.. Thats almost fresh grad salaries le

Those are experienced roles like team lead etc ba.

 

[artncraft]

I just went to over causeway this week. So many new CECA/PRC famlies at Customs having SG passports with thick accents..

I was standing there asking myself whats the point of doing NS..

Serving NS is a privilege

Your job is to protect the new citizens and foreigners and their assets in Singapore.

Majulah Singapura!

 

[harky]

These days I walk around malls they advertise F&B roles up to 4k+ ... Dunno if real anot.. Thats almost fresh grad salaries le

young ok la..
stand whole day cannot la

 

[havetheveryfun]

These days I walk around malls they advertise F&B roles up to 4k+ ... Dunno if real anot.. Thats almost fresh grad salaries le

is real because it is 6 day work week and the hours are longer. so if you count like that full time 22 days is only around 2.5k-3k actually.

 

[zhoholang]

is real because it is 6 day work week and the hours are longer. so if you count like that full time 22 days is only around 2.5k-3k actually.

What's an acceptable salary for fresh grad from local u without honours these days? Considering 20-30% paycut for the next job that I wish to try out

Any of you here experience in a job that you dislike but cannot quite due to bad job market? How ah wait layoff? PIP? Self resign? Mass send resume and pass interviews?

 

[jeffprobst]

if everything goes according to plan, should be back into work force next month.

 

[zhoholang]

if everything goes according to plan, should be back into work force next month.

Can help me with above questions? Thank you! Seems lousy to be an engineer

 

[jeffprobst]

What's an acceptable salary for fresh grad from local u without honours these days? Considering 20-30% paycut for the next job that I wish to try out

Any of you here experience in a job that you dislike but cannot quite due to bad job market? How ah wait layoff? PIP? Self resign? Mass send resume and pass interviews?

First questions, my first job after CPF deductions paid me SGD 1,999, and I was a direct honours graduate. That was quite a few years ago though, so I’m not sure what entry-level pay is like now.

Secondly, on staying or leaving a job you dislike: If you have thick skin and can mentally endure it, then it’s best to stay until you find a new job. As a general rule of thumb, don’t resign unless you’ve already secured something else, but if the job is already affecting your mental health, then it’s not worth it. Walk away if you need to.

About PIP: Usually, being placed on a PIP, in my opinion means they already want you out. So if you are on one, it’s a sign to start looking elsewhere, and preferably resign before you get terminated. In my experience, if your boss genuinely wanted to help, you would not be on a PIP to begin with. Most people only end up on a PIP if their performance is really not up to par. For sales roles, it can happen more easily if you’re not bringing in results.

 

[zhoholang]

First questions, my first job after CPF deductions paid me SGD 1,999, and I was a direct honours graduate. That was quite a few years ago though, so I’m not sure what entry-level pay is like now.

Secondly, on staying or leaving a job you dislike: If you have thick skin and can mentally endure it, then it’s best to stay until you find a new job. As a general rule of thumb, don’t resign unless you’ve already secured something else, but if the job is already affecting your mental health, then it’s not worth it. Walk away if you need to.

About PIP (Performance Improvement Plans): Usually, being placed on a PIP, in my opinion means they already want you out. So if you are on one, it’s a sign to start looking elsewhere, and preferably resign before you get terminated. In my experience, if your boss genuinely wanted to help, you would not be on a PIP to begin with. Most people only end up on a PIP if their performance is really not up to par. For sales roles, it can happen more easily if you’re not bringing in results.

For PIP, will they give a date or period when it will ends before termination? At least able to time when to hand in resignation...

I wish to enter somewhere that is more stable and less technical . I think business roles or government roles will appeal more to me

 

[jeffprobst]

For PIP, will they give a date or period when it will ends before termination? At least able to time when to hand in resignation...

I wish to enter somewhere that is more stable and less technical . I think business roles or government roles will appeal more to me

I have never been put on a PIP, but in my previous company, the standard PIP period was around 3 months. That said, it really depends on company policy. You should be clearly informed about the duration and expectations if you're placed on one, and from there, you can judge how serious the situation is. I have heard of cases where someone managed to turn things around and successfully got off the PIP.

In general, most companies do have a PIP process in place, but whether they actually use it is another matter. In the department I was in, no one was ever formally placed on PIP partly because I heard management didn’t want to deal with the admin burden. Putting someone on PIP often means a lot of paperwork, documentation, and regular 1-on-1 progress meetings. To some managers, it’s seen as a time-waster, so they either avoid it or find informal ways to manage performance issues or even tell you that your time is up and you should be looking out.

 

[zhoholang]

I have never been put on a PIP, but in my previous company, the standard PIP period was around 3 months. That said, it really depends on company policy. You should be clearly informed about the duration and expectations if you're placed on one, and from there, you can judge how serious the situation is. I have heard of cases where someone managed to turn things around and successfully got off the PIP.

In general, most companies do have a PIP process in place, but whether they actually use it is another matter. In the department I was in, no one was ever formally placed on PIP partly because I heard management didn’t want to deal with the admin burden. Putting someone on PIP often means a lot of paperwork, documentation, and regular 1-on-1 progress meetings. To some managers, it’s seen as a time-waster, so they either avoid it or find informal ways to manage performance issues or even tell you that your time is up and you should be looking out.

I think more likely in current job market, company would rather lay off than spend the time to introduce PIP.. lesser admin tasks to do behind the scene. Thanks for the explanation and I have read online many leave before PIP ends and if they passed, it's a stigma there already

 

[jeffprobst]

I think more likely in current job market, company would rather lay off than spend the time to introduce PIP.. lesser admin tasks to do behind the scene. Thanks for the explanation and I have read online many leave before PIP ends and if they passed, it's a stigma there already

Usually, when companies want to reduce headcount, they go with the retrenchment route, mass layoffs under the pretext of restructuring or cost-cutting. It’s cleaner and avoids the need for detailed documentation.

Firing an individual outright is more complicated. Unless the person has breached regulations or is involved in legal issues, companies are generally expected to go through the PIP process first. That means documenting performance issues, setting improvement goals, and tracking progress, aka a lot of paperwork and time.

To avoid that hassle, some companies take the informal route where they will have a private conversation with the employee, suggesting they resign "voluntarily." In some cases, they might pressure the person by saying that a termination will “not look good” on their record even though, technically, it’s within their rights to fire. It’s all about minimizing risk and HR work on their end.

 

[jeffprobst]

I think more likely in current job market, company would rather lay off than spend the time to introduce PIP.. lesser admin tasks to do behind the scene. Thanks for the explanation and I have read online many leave before PIP ends and if they passed, it's a stigma there already

are you on PIP? the closest i was, was when im in my first sales role. but luckily, i was not place on PIP as i usually manage to generate sales in the nick of time, and my boss will covered for me.

 

[Heriophant]

What's an acceptable salary for fresh grad from local u without honours these days?

Google GES 2025

Any of you here experience in a job that you dislike but cannot quite due to bad job market? How ah wait layoff? PIP? Self resign? Mass send resume and pass interviews?

In this economy, best to not to quit without a job I feel..

 

[zhoholang]

are you on PIP? the closest i was, was when im in my first sales role. but luckily, i was not place on PIP as i usually manage to generate sales in the nick of time, and my boss will covered for me.

I am not however my pfermance is not good. I don't feel motivated, I don't feel the jobscopes and knowledge comes easier for me. If I were to continue in this role for the next few years, promotion are hard to come by and I just feel my brain is too simple to understand technical engineering flow .

 

[zhoholang]

Google GES 2025

In this economy, best to not to quit without a job I feel..

I am just wondering if I should leave when I secure a new job with lower pay. I am paid 4.5k which isn't really matching to my qualifications or even in the public sector however I feel it would be better if I work in a more slow paced environment and require less technical expertise

 

[jeffprobst]

I am not however my pfermance is not good. I don't feel motivated, I don't feel the jobscopes and knowledge comes easier for me. If I were to continue in this role for the next few years, promotion are hard to come by and I just feel my brain is too simple to understand technical engineering flow .

your first job? did you give yourself time to learn and like the role? knowledge is something you can learn during your tenure. Promotion, you need to have a "A" game in social ladder apart from doing BAU.

 

[jeffprobst]

I am just wondering if I should leave when I secure a new job with lower pay. I am paid 4.5k which isn't really matching to my qualifications or even in the public sector however I feel it would be better if I work in a more slow paced environment and require less technical expertise

$4.5K for a fresh grad is already considered quite high. Don’t read too much into the salary figures you see in local media since they don’t always reflect the full picture.

Someone once told me: people pay you based on your capabilities, so don’t undersell yourself. Know your worth and negotiate accordingly.

I dunno you personally, or your background, but if is your first or second job, probably can stay and learn.