10G capable router and switch -- RJ45 version, no SFP+ ports

[The_King]

If you use it as a WiFi AP, just wondering why you still need the switch? What are the wired devices? 1Gbps or 2.5Gbps or even 10Gbps capable?

I may be biased but I see no point of getting the D-Link, even for your use case, HB710 plus a switch will be way better. There are quite some cheap 2.5G switches from China below S$50, with 4 ports 2.5G and two 10G SFP+ ports.

thanks,

nearly buy the D-Link for $179 until i saw your post which carro selling around the same price for tplink

 

[zzxxzzxx]

I havent use my HB710 yet. still on my old 1G TP-Link Wifi 6 mesh (China model)

I had a thought. i can link the TP -> ONT -> Wall Ethernet -> My Room -> HB710

As my room is actually quite central to the whole house. the Wifi might work out to be good enough.
And i can just use one of my China TP-Link to AP mode for the PC without Wifi.
Just off the wifi of AP to be used as a ethernet only AP.

HB710 will be in Bedroom 2.
Beside Main Bedroom Wall

 

[alfseeto]

I currently have my fibre point in a storeroom, and all my ethernet cables terminate there also. I also have another wireless AP set up in another location, connected via ethernet cable to the main router.

I upgraded recently to the 6gbps plan and got a free router - TP-link 805. Now I am not sure what to do with regardless to access point.

I need to buy a new router and I'm not sure what to get. I don't need 6gbps wifi speed near the storeroom area, but I want the fastest speeds at the access point area which is near all the bedrooms. My intention is to use the free router TPLink 805 as the access point but I need advice for the storeroom one.

1. Do I need to get a router with 2x 10gbit ports or is one enough? I will need to get a separate 10gbit switch for the storeroom.

2. Does the storeroom router need to be TP link also in order to make configuring the AP easier?

3. Does the storeroom router need to have tri-band wifi if I don't' need those speeds, since it is the main router?

 

[zzxxzzxx]

I currently have my fibre point in a storeroom, and all my ethernet cables terminate there also. I also have another wireless AP set up in another location, connected via ethernet cable to the main router.

I upgraded recently to the 6gbps plan and got a free router - TP-link 805. Now I am not sure what to do with regardless to access point.

I need to buy a new router and I'm not sure what to get. I don't need 6gbps wifi speed near the storeroom area, but I want the fastest speeds at the access point area which is near all the bedrooms. My intention is to use the free router TPLink 805 as the access point but I need advice for the storeroom one.

1. Do I need to get a router with 2x 10gbit ports or is one enough? I will need to get a separate 10gbit switch for the storeroom.

2. Does the storeroom router need to be TP link also in order to make configuring the AP easier?

3. Does the storeroom router need to have tri-band wifi if I don't' need those speeds, since it is the main router?

Fibre TP inside store room with the ONT.
If only need 1 router.
Can go TP -> ONT -> Ethernet to AP Location -> New Router

 

[masashi]

Would I face any issues with connection if I got a wifi 7 router from China since they use their own rom?

 

[xiaofan]

Would I face any issues with connection if I got a wifi 7 router from China since they use their own rom?

It should work, unless you use legacy Singtel ONT based 500Mbps/1Gbps plans (which require Singtel VLAN and some routers in China may not support Singtel VLAN well, especially if you need Singtel TV).

If you get Asus China WiFi 7 routers, then the HW/FW is the same and they have English/Chinese GUI. There is only minor differences in behaviors due to the hardcoded CN country code.

But take note no 6GHz band for all China WiFi 7 routers, including those from Asus China.

Other than Asus China WiFi 7 routers, it is a bit difficult to recommend China WiFi 7 routers now, at least not for the mid-range ones, since TP-Link HB710 (dumped by Starhub users, S$192 or lower) and Archer BE805 (dumped by M1 users, below S$300) local versions with 10G ports and 6GHz band can be pretty cost effective.

Reference:
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/...i-7-routers-without-6ghz-band-support.6905228
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/asus-wifi-7-and-wifi-6e-routers.6952409/

 

[xiaofan]

One popular "low-cost" 10G switch in this forum is Sirivision SR-ST3408F managed switch, with quad 10G RJ45 ports and quad 10G SFP+ ports. The price has gone up by quite a bit though. It used to be below RMB 800 during 6.18 sale, now it is at RMB 934 for year 2025 6.18 sale .

All the switches mentioned below are managed swtiches.

Sirivision SR-ST3408F --> RMB 933.98, usual price RMB 1139, quad 10G RJ45 ports + quad 10G SFP+ ports
Sirivision SR-ST3005 --> RMB 963.5, usual price RMB 1175, five 10G RJ45 ports
Sirivision SR-ST3008 --> RMB 1348.9, usual price RMB 1645, eight 10G RJ45 ports
Sirivision SR-ST2808F --> RMB 578.1, usual price RMB 705, eight 10G SFP+ ports.

One very interesting things is that Sirivision now offers 8-port 5Gbe switch: but I do not see the reason to buy it compared to the SR-ST3408F.
Sirivision SR-S5G3008 --> RMB 929.06, usual price RMB 1133, eight5G RJ45 ports

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[xiaofan]

New Mini PC with different 10G ports configuration, dual 2.5Gbe RJ45 ports, and Intel N100/N305 CPU.

Intel X550T2, dual 10G RJ45 ports
Intel 82599ES, dual 10G SFP+ ports
Marvell AQC113, single 10G RJ45 port (not for pfSense/OPNsense bare metal)

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[xiaofan]

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[xiaofan]

Mini PC with dual 10G RJ45 ports (Marvell AQC113 chipset) and Quad 2.5Gbe RJ45 ports, Intel N100/N305 CPU

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Qotom Q10922H6 Product Website in English.
https://www.qotom.com/products/show/Mini-PC-Q10900H6-S13-Series

STH Forum discussions on Qotom Q10922H6.
https://forums.servethehome.com/ind...q10922h6-fanless-n100-2x10gbe-4x2-5gbe.47026/

 

[hpc_arrowslinux]

Seeking tips on home network switch and router options.

Signed up 10Gb broadband plan with Starbub (got a TP-Link HB710 router as part of that)

4 room HDB Flat
Running linux (ubuntu distro 24.04 LTS) on my home workstation shows the below

lspci -vvv | grep "Ethernet"
04:00.0 Ethernet controller: Mellanox Technologies MT27710 Family [ConnectX-4 Lx]
04:00.1 Ethernet controller: Mellanox Technologies MT27710 Family [ConnectX-4 Lx]
83:00.0 Ethernet controller: Aquantia Corp. AQtion AQC113 NBase-T/IEEE 802.3an Ethernet Controller [Antigua 10G] (rev 03)
84:00.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation Ethernet Controller I226-V (rev 06)
Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Ethernet Controller I226-V


arp --device eno1
Address HWtype HWaddress Flags Mask Iface
RT-AX58U-4540 ether

Using a ASUS router RT-AX58U with AI-Mesh setup, the router is connected to my desktop 10GB NIC port with a RJ45 Cat-5e cable.

Running speed test to StarHub Ltd server shows
("I know i can get higher throughput, which is why i'm posting here")

Download
856.60 Mbps

Upload
941.23 Mbps

Ping 2.79ms | Jitter 0.16ms

My questions:
I would like to have my workstation networking go thru my Mellanox card eventually (that's the end game) It supports SFP+ (10Gbps) plus i'm working on a side project for high-speed networking on linux side.

For now, the connection is to Ethernet controller: Aquantia Corp. AQtion AQC113 NBase-T/IEEE 802.3an Ethernet Controller on my ASUS motherboard

What recommendations on the router and switch options should i go with to get higher bandwidth (at least getting close to 5-6Gbps if possible at all?

Options:
Create a home mesh with one more TP Link HB710 router and get a better switch that supports SFP+ port?
or
Just a desktop switch with 10Gb ethernet SFP+ will suffice?

sudo mlxfwmanager --online -u -d 04:00.1
Querying Mellanox devices firmware ...

Device #1:
----------

Device Type: ConnectX4LX
Part Number: MCX4121A-ACU_Ax
Description: ConnectX-4 Lx EN network interface card; 25GbE dual-port SFP28; PCIe3.0 x8; UEFI Enabled; tall bracket
PSID: MT_XXXX
PCI Device Name: 04:00.1
Base MAC: XXXX
Versions: Current Available
FW 14.32.1010 14.32.1010
PXE 3.6.0502 3.6.0502
UEFI 14.25.0017 14.25.0017

Status: Up to date

 

[morimorimori]

Although you can use regular SFP+ you have SFP28 capable card so how deep down the hole you want to go?

1. How much money you willing to spend
2. How big is the network going to be
3. What is the distance between computers/ NAS
   1. Are you willing to run additional cables
   2. What is the speed needed between computers/ NAS
      1. Note device speed limitations like sata write
   3. Future proofing (running fiber)
4. Do you care about heat

 

[hpc_arrowslinux]

Although you can use regular SFP+ you have SFP28 capable card so how deep down the hole you want to go?

1. How much money you willing to spend
2. How big is the network going to be
3. What is the distance between computers/ NAS
   1. Are you willing to run additional cables
   2. What is the speed needed between computers/ NAS
      1. Note device speed limitations like sata write
   3. Future proofing (running fiber)
4. Do you care about heat

1. Maybe extra 500-700 for hardware.
2. small network, fast connection to my workstation (excluding the usual wifi devices laptops,phones and ipads).
3. PC in study room, modem connection and access point all in living room. 20 meters++ apart
3.1 Nope.. skipping additional physical wires.
3.3 No need to future proof.
3.4 How much additional heat am i looking at? i can have a external usb fan setup in the cabinet where the modem is right now.

 

[morimorimori]

Presumably you already have a line to your PC. The cheapest solution is a 10gig sfp module for the pc and a 5 port 10gig switch. Should be about 260 for the switch Tplink sx105 (cheaper if you want to source from china) and 80-100 for the sfp RJ45 (10gtek or unifi).

edit:
If you already have a built in 10g rj45 I don't get the rationale for wanting to pipe it through the mellanox if its using the same type of connection. 10g rj45 modules run hot and you don't really gain anything over the aqc113 unless its a driver issue you have. It seems like a bit of a waste of the sfp.

 

[hpc_arrowslinux]

it runs hot.. but that's for "scale-up" which relates to my project that i need to work and get familiarize with first.

By scale-up i mean, looking at the same Mellanox family NIC but latest generation and mellanox switch infrastructure setup.

The mellanox switch part would be way too expensive to replicate at home for learning purpose.

 

[morimorimori]

Actually reading your post closely are you connecting the hb710 lan port direct to the pc to do the test? Otherwise the bottleneck is at the ax58 which only has gigabit ports.

A 5 port 10g switch will be cheaper than a second HB710 (other than carousell 2nd hand) and have more ports.

 

[d3adc3II]

What recommendations on the router and switch options should i go with to get higher bandwidth (at least getting close to 5-6Gbps if possible at all?

I would like to have my workstation networking go thru my Mellanox card eventually (that's the end game) It supports SFP+ (10Gbps) plus i'm working on a side project for high-speed networking on linux side.

1. Maybe extra 500-700 for hardware.
2. small network, fast connection to my workstation (excluding the usual wifi devices laptops,phones and ipads).
3. PC in study room, modem connection and access point all in living room. 20 meters++ apart
3.1 Nope.. skipping additional physical wires.
3.3 No need to future proof.
3.4 How much additional heat am i looking at? i can have a external usb fan setup in the cabinet where the modem is right now.

Quite confused of what you really want

- You have ConnectX-4 Lx , which is 10G/25G
- You want high bandwidth to end PC
- You running linux side project that require high speed network

You asking for router , switch option , but dont want additional wires .Also mesh wifi option.

By scale-up i mean, looking at the same Mellanox family NIC but latest generation and mellanox switch infrastructure setup.

No need future proof, skipping physical wiring , but you want scale-up with latest Mellanox nic and swiches.
by latest generation of Mellanox, you mean Connect-7 and quantum-2 ? which cost like 4k and 6k respectively , its not scale up , i think its fly-up if you really plan t hat far

 

[TanKianW]

it runs hot.. but that's for "scale-up" which relates to my project that i need to work and get familiarize with first.

By scale-up i mean, looking at the same Mellanox family NIC but latest generation and mellanox switch infrastructure setup.

The mellanox switch part would be way too expensive to replicate at home for learning purpose.

Seemed to me (I could be wrong), you might be trying to set up a local/remote hyper converged (maybe AI?) system/infrastructure. For enterprise you need high speed storage over fabric, for home testlab a custom networked storage with SSDs might suffice.

If you only want to try out a "test lab" setup, you can consider running 10G (25G a bonus) for interconnects over DAC, a compact 10G SFP+ switch like the MikroTik CRS305, a (custom) software router with high throughput on a mini-pc with 10G (or addon NIC). MikroTik CHR might be a good choice for this but with a learning curve. Based on your "test" expectation, you might need more hardware than what you conceptualize. These are still considered "scaled down" as compared to enterprise standards, only for testing/POC purposes.

You might also want to better structure your sentence to avoid confusion so forumers can have a better picture of what you have in mind. To be honest, from the way you describe your use case, you seemed no clue of what you want to do which likely will not get much constructive opinions.

Hope it helps.​

 

[hpc_arrowslinux]

Quite confused of what you really want

- You have ConnectX-4 Lx , which is 10G/25G
- You want high bandwidth to end PC
- You running linux side project that require high speed network

You asking for router , switch option , but dont want additional wires .Also mesh wifi option.



No need future proof, skipping physical wiring , but you want scale-up with latest Mellanox nic and swiches.
by latest generation of Mellanox, you mean Connect-7 and quantum-2 ? which cost like 4k and 6k respectively , its not scale up , i think its fly-up if you really plan t hat far

Intel NIC and .

Seemed to me (I could be wrong), you might be trying to set up a local/remote hyper converged (maybe AI?) system/infrastructure. For enterprise you need high speed storage over fabric, for home testlab a custom networked storage with SSDs might suffice.

If you only want to try out a "test lab" setup, you can consider running 10G (25G a bonus) for interconnects over DAC, a compact 10G SFP+ switch like the MikroTik CRS305, a (custom) software router with high throughput on a mini-pc with 10G (or addon NIC). MikroTik CHR might be a good choice for this but with a learning curve. Based on your "test" expectation, you might need more hardware than what you conceptualize. These are still considered "scaled down" as compared to enterprise standards, only for testing/POC purposes.

You might also want to better structure your sentence to avoid confusion so forumers can have a better picture of what you have in mind. To be honest, from the way you describe your use case, you seemed no clue of what you want to do which likely will not get much constructive opinions.

Hope it helps.​

tyvm..

As you rightly said, pretty much in a "Clueless" state. That's my starting position.

But still have to start somewhere and kick things off.
Not getting any constructive solutions wasn't too far off from my expectations.

So it comes down to trade-offs, i lack the technical aspects of it to provide a clear picture of what i need but i also can't be wasting too much time (i.e sitting on the task, overthinking and do nothing which is probably the more destructive of the two) between the options i can only post with what i can provide as a "testing-ground".

It's more of a i get feedback and improve on that quality over time process.

Thanks again for your inputs.

 

[xiaofan]

Intel NIC and .

tyvm..

As you rightly said, pretty much in a "Clueless" state. That's my starting position.

But still have to start somewhere and kick things off.
Not getting any constructive solutions wasn't too far off from my expectations.

So it comes down to trade-offs, i lack the technical aspects of it to provide a clear picture of what i need but i also can't be wasting too much time (i.e sitting on the task, overthinking and do nothing which is probably the more destructive of the two) between the options i can only post with what i can provide as a "testing-ground".

It's more of a i get feedback and improve on that quality over time process.

Thanks again for your inputs.

Why not start with simpler setup first, like getting an Minisforum MS-01 or MS-A2, then add a 10Gbe capable switch, and use your existing HB710 as the wireless AP, to get things started.

You can install Proxmox VE and virtual pfSense on the MS-01 or MS-A2, and then add a few Linux containers and VMs inside. This should give you a quick start environment.