Problems with Genneva Payout

The voice

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gennevacomplaingroup mentioned only need to park the gold during renewal. So I guess that means when your 3 or 6 mths contract is up. So if yours is in the middle mths, no need to park gold, just supposed to collect money right?
Just a little update. As of today all rebalancing and renewal has to park the gold. For how long..... They can't be firm.

For those who park your gold you will get your return faster (but never mention how fast and when). For those who did not park their gold..... Their reply is 'wait lor'
 

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Just a little update. As of today all rebalancing and renewal has to park the gold. For how long..... They can't be firm.

For those who park your gold you will get your return faster (but never mention how fast and when). For those who did not park their gold..... Their reply is 'wait lor'

Most of the customers will park their Gold for this round so-called Dot Data. Get back their Gold around 4 - 6 days (Hopefully for some) than re-contract for 6 months (Because they don't want to hand back their Gold to Genneva again)
After that starts chasing for the payout before Genneva DISAPPEAR.
 

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U got a lot to catch...

My feel is not they don't have money to pay, must be some restructuring or political within the companies going on that they pause the cash flow. If there is cash flow problem, it should have happened quite some times back. Since this G company is in MY,SG and china. you should also verify what is happening in the rest of the countries for the customer.

Are you saying things that based on your FEEL???
**So you are saying genneva got money to pay, is just like they refuse to pay because of restructuring or some political stuffs..
**You mean is OK for any companies to delay 6 months comm to their agents as long as they are doing restructuring or some political stuffs??? :s12:
 

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Most of the customers will park their Gold for this round so-called Dot Data. Get back their Gold around 4 - 6 days (Hopefully for some) than re-contract for 6 months (Because they don't want to hand back their Gold to Genneva again)
After that starts chasing for the payout before Genneva DISAPPEAR.
If you were to park your gold, you are actually risking everything. If you can bear with that 20% difference, your lost will be cap at 20% with the gold in your hand.
 

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If you were to park your gold, you are actually risking everything. If you can bear with that 20% difference, your lost will be cap at 20% with the gold in your hand.

If you pawn it now it is 35% loss Min. Most customers will do re-balancing for this round before the Genneva is sinking deeper. Than hold the Gold for 6 months to see if Genneva still floating. Selling back to them is a bigger risk you need to wait for 6 months to get your cash back after sending in your Gold.
Whichever option you take still is a Win Win situation to them. Shrew people = Shrew ideal.
 
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If you pawn it now it is 35% loss Min. Most customers will do re-balancing for this round before the Genneva is sinking deeper. Than hold the Gold for 6 months to see if Genneva still floating. Selling back to them is a bigger risk you need to wait for 6 months to get your cash back after sending in your Gold.
Whichever option you take still is a Win Win situation to them. Shrew people = Shrew ideal.
That depends what you want to do about it. In my opinion, I would smash it down to the ground. A lot of the agents advice their customers not to make any police report. And explained to them that if they were to make a police report causing the company go busted, they would get nothing.
In my opinion, ceasing their operation is the best way out and so as the number of victims stop clocking.
 

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In my opinion, ceasing their operation is the best way out and so as the number of victims stop clocking.

I fully agreed with you.

But I will add more. Ceased operations of all those GOLD companies with similar business model.


Just stick to buying physical gold from UOB, SPDR or UOB Saving Account...
 

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I fully agreed with you.

But I will add more. Ceased operations of all those GOLD companies with similar business model.


Just stick to buying physical gold from UOB, SPDR or UOB Saving Account...

I would suggest that if you start a post on FB it will spread very fast. Than everyone in this world will aware of the Gold Company's scam.
 

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I would suggest that if you start a post on FB it will spread very fast. Than everyone in this world will aware of the Gold Company's scam.


Very interesting when reading all your postings.

It will be good to see you talk about other Gold Companies other than Genneva.
 

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Ok, did a background check and found what's the real cause. But again, it has nothing to do with cash flow problem which I believe they can pay their customers in time to come. It's some internal events that cause some chaos.
 

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Ok, did a background check and found what's the real cause. But again, it has nothing to do with cash flow problem which I believe they can pay their customers in time to come. It's some internal events that cause some chaos.

Money can do wonders. If not because of cash flow problems, they can employ more employee to clear the backlog. Furthermore recalling all the Gold back and never apply the Dot Data on all the Gold is a waste of time and manpower. Waiting Game is what they are playing now. Waiting to net more flesh fishes = $$$$.
Pay one month own two months ????? Common sense will tell you.
 

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Another conspiracy theory. Agents in disguise are spreading rumours to hold the gold with 30% loss rather than 100% loss, to make people not return the gold during the "return period".

Remember that you lose 30% = Genneva gain 30%. Instant profit and clawback for Genneva.

Pity the investors. Return or don't return?
 

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In case we have forgotten. Bao Jing Trading in Rochor Centre went bust in Sept last year. This is the newpaper report:

Gold bar scheme: 120 fear they may lose $40m
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Author:Kimberly Spykerman & Cheryl Ong

2/9/2011 A FIRM is at the centre of a police investigation after a customer claimed to have lost $300,000 which was invested in gold bars.
Bao Jing Trading is believed to be having cashflow problems, and there are fears that about 120 investors could lose up to $40 million.

At least two more police reports have been made against the company, based in the Rochor Centre, The Straits Times understands.

But many investors are afraid to approach the authorities for fear the firm will not give them their money back, according to one alleged victim.

Bao Jing - which is not licensed or regulated by the Monetary Authority of Singapore - pitched its gold trading scheme as a way to help customers cash in on the rocketing price of the precious metal, which tends to rise in value during periods of slow economic growth.

Investors were promised monthly returns of between 1.5 per cent and 3 per cent, said a report by Shin Min Daily News. But if they left the bars with the company, they could get between 7 per cent and 10 per cent, the newspaper added.

The customers realised something was wrong when the firm failed to pay the promised returns.

A 70-year-old woman, who wanted to be known only as Madam Yen, told The Straits Times that she had lost more than $200,000 after being introduced to the company by a friend.

She said that when she made a trip to its office, the boss told her he would not give her back the cash if she went to the police. 'I'm heartbroken... this money is more than half my retirement savings,' she said in Mandarin.

In desperation, she and about 20 other investors decided to confront the company's owners on Monday, gathering outside the office's glass doors to ask for their money back. The owners failed to show up and the office has been empty since.

Bao Jing is run by Malaysians Lee Chee Woi, a permanent resident, and Cheong Kok Heng, according to records held by the Accounting and Corporate Regulatory Authority.

Mr Lee registered his company at a local address, in an HDB flat in Jurong East.

But when The Straits Times paid a visit, it turned out to be occupied by a family who denied any links with the firm.

A 38-year-old man in the flat, who wanted to be known only as Mr Pang, said Mr Lee lives in Malaysia but uses his Singapore address to receive mail.

'We're ex-colleagues,' he said. 'All his letters come under my address but I pass them to another colleague of mine who is an acquaintance we both know. I think it's a misunderstanding. All along, his company has been doing well. He won't do this sort of thing.'

Shin Min also reported yesterday that Mr Cheong was once arrested in Malaysia for money-laundering offences.

kimspyke@sph.com.sg

ongyiern@sph.com.sg

the first gold company which was reported in newspaper - the gold label
 

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Oh no! Genneva didn open today! Sigh
Alot of ppl there at orchard tower

My $ gone.. -_-
 

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Ok, did a background check and found what's the real cause. But again, it has nothing to do with cash flow problem which I believe they can pay their customers in time to come. It's some internal events that cause some chaos.
Background check? Where are your source from? Delaying agent's commission for 8 months and you claimed that has nothing to do with cash flow. Changing company policies that favours the company financially. Claiming that you know the real reason, may be you can share what you know and enlighten us.
 

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Oh no! Genneva didn open today! Sigh
Alot of ppl there at orchard tower

My $ gone.. -_-

Any signboard Announce Celebrating The Director's Buying NEW EXOTIC SPORTS CAR. Close for few days so that all the senior can go KL to congrat them.
 

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Oh no! Genneva didn open today! Sigh
Alot of ppl there at orchard tower

My $ gone.. -_-


hmmm i just went to Genneva this morning... plenty of people in the office. hot and stuffy. but i just collect my discount. although had to wait for it at least im glad they are still paying out discount and not defaulting payment.
 

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hmmm i just went to Genneva this morning... plenty of people in the office. hot and stuffy. but i just collect my discount. although had to wait for it at least im glad they are still paying out discount and not defaulting payment.

Who is the REAL McCoy ?????????
Have you collected your 2-3 months DELAYED payment ?
 
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hmmm i just went to Genneva this morning... plenty of people in the office. hot and stuffy. but i just collect my discount. although had to wait for it at least im glad they are still paying out discount and not defaulting payment.

So many people have been involved and their money/gold stuck in genneva. New poster coming in to say you can get money still? That's not too assuring.
 
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