The Intel LGA1150 Haswell Owners Thread & Survey (H.O.T.S)

[Limexx]

I was about to rate that MSI Z87 MPower board is the prettiest until I saw this...

Meet the Asus ROG Z87 Maximus VI Formula.

Wow this is really.... very nice

 

[MacClipper]

Z87 Extreme4 - Overclocking Profiles
- simply mouse click select then fine tune to your heart's desire, it's almost too easy


Eg. CPU@Turbo 4.4 (up from 3.8) selected (and then DIY tweaked for 4.5GHz), GPU@1.5GHz (up from 1.2)

Intel Graphics HD 4600


GPU-Z
- needs yet another update to show proper clocks in its main display, hwinfo64 is spot on with both idle/load clocks

Control Panel
- bright & snazzy but way oversized!

Stock@600/1200 MHz
- switching from a discrete Radeon HD 7850 card to the iGPU HD 4600, one feels the immediate lag even on tabbing within the Opera browser

Overclock@600/1500 MHz
- ah instant relief cos the lag in Opera tabbing is now gone

After tinkering with the Richland 6800K APU lately and comparing the Cinebench scores for this Intel HD 4600, it is quite safe to say that playing any games would require quite a bit of lowering of expectations, video resolution, features and textures etc.

Simply said in other words, improved but still ouch!

PS: You can always try to push further but I will just stop here to save it further em...

 

[ragnarok95]

4.5Ghz load at 60C le... go go go ~

 

[Mem2003]

So 4670K can o/c to 4.5Ghz load at 60C then how about 4770K ?


Which is more worth to buy Intel 4670K, Intel 4770K or AMD 6800K ?
Run stable 24hrs, 7days a weeks, ... under hot sg room .


Thanks.

 

[Cryogenist]

So 4670K can o/c to 4.5Ghz load at 60C then how about 4770K ?


Which is more worth to buy Intel 4670K, Intel 4770K or AMD 6800K ?
Run stable 24hrs, 7days a weeks, ... under hot sg room .


Thanks.

I think 60'C is subjective to chip and the cooling system leh.

I not sure whether does HT (i7) makes the chip hotter when doing stress test as compared with those no HT (i5).
Those tests that fully stressed it with AVX instructions?
Need some pros to enlighten.

Regarding which proc more worth, must tell us what tasks you planning to do with it?

 

[MacClipper]

UEFI - Interesting Findings
- after testing 2 mobos and their early/latest BIOS, do note there is a Vcore reporting bug present in the BIOS (erroneously reported as 1.7+V), already emailed Asrock for a fix



Undervolting FTW!
For the under-volting crowd, a simplified Power Savings submenu (Shrek, do try this option on the ITX)

To Infinity & Beyond!
For the RAM hungry crowd - DDR3-4000, srsly?

DRAM Tweaker!

 

[junialum]

oo looks interesting. Would use undervolting if its auto. No time to manually adjust. Hope the issues are ironed out quick!

 

[MacClipper]

i5-4670K On Asrock Z87 Extreme4


★ Asrock Z87 Extreme4 | i5-4670K Retail |Intel HD 4600 | 8GB KVR1866 | Enermax 240ELC | TT Smart 630W ★

Ambient non-aircon temps


LinX AVX Stock Run

Cinebench

WinRAR

7Zip

Comparing Extreme 6 vs Extreme4
- seems very similar in features and performance in daily usage, both are officially specced at 12 power phase

Official specs
ASRock > Z87 Extreme6
ASRock > Z87 Extreme4


ASRock > Motherboard Series > Models Compare

Notes

★ Sample size of just 1 retail chip
★ The Z87 Extreme4 is able to clock the i5 to the same 4.5GHz (heat limited) as the Extreme6
★ if you are chip limited for o'cing, do most of us actually need those > USD400 mobos?



HTH

 

[MacClipper]

Ripbot264

 

[MacClipper]

Haswell - A Long(er) Life Platform?

Long live Haswell... - VR-Zone

Temporary relief from incessant new sockets for a while... ?

 

[muddle]

Haswell - A Long(er) Life Platform?


Temporary relief from incessant new sockets for a while... ?

Noticed it mentioned 9 series chipset meant for mainstream consumer for the haswell refresh. I am worried that while the socket pin count remains the same, there might be something else that breaks compatibility. Like voltage regulator or ddr4 support. Think it happened before in the past....

 

[MacClipper]

... I am worried that while the socket pin count remains the same, there might be something else that breaks compatibility. Like voltage regulator or ddr4 support. Think it happened before in the past....

lol

Seems nobody can trust Intel on any form of hardware continuity anymore?

 

[Ferolare]

lol

Seems nobody can trust Intel on any form of hardware continuity anymore?

it's not that we dont trust but

i wish i can see an encore of the 775 which ran from what?

pen4 to the end of core2?

 

[MacClipper]

Noticed it mentioned 9 series chipset meant for mainstream consumer for the haswell refresh. I am worried that while the socket pin count remains the same, there might be something else that breaks compatibility. Like voltage regulator or ddr4 support. Think it happened before in the past....

it's not that we dont trust but

i wish i can see an encore of the 775 which ran from what?

pen4 to the end of core2?

muddle possibly has a better longterm memory cos the initial Intel 91x LGA775 chipset mobos cannot run the latter LGA775 CPUs despite using the same socket so in the end, you will still need a new mobo though with the same physical socket.

Overall as a company, Intel is probably not known to be kind or generous to its endusers. In fact, they can be very stingy and harshly skilled in removing subtle features eg. TSX from K Haswell processors and all but the stock strap from non-K ones thus not so easy choosing which one.

 

[MacClipper]

For Shrek since you asked for it...

Wakao This Uncore leh!
... more uncore settings vs performance, testing Core@4.5_Uncore@4.2GHz


...

Seems kind of weird findings so far, hope others can try out uncore scaling and post their feedback too. Looks like Core Frequency is really still king and the stock uncore speed is already fast enough to feed the core at 4.5GHz.

Seems Intel also say so...
Intel Haswell Overclocking Fully Disclosed - Theory For Core i7 4770K!

Massman says:

15 days ago – If I recall the IDF presentation correctly, the Intel engineers mentioned that "even though the Ring Bus frequency can be adjusted, they have not seen major performance gains in the labs". And then they asked the reviewers and power users to test it themselves

 

[muddle]

Well that just kills my desire for K haswell then. Non K can boost up to 3.8Ghz right? And cheaper but capable H87 boards. Mac, do you have h87 boards to check out? Thanks.

BTW, the last overclock friendly CPU probably is the Sandy bridge....

 

[MacClipper]

Well, Intel has also removed the o'cing capability for non-K Haswell chips (totally locked down) too so as said earlier, tough choice. Intel Turbo boost is there, of course.

Sandy's really great, I am keeping my 2500K/2600K both@4.7GHz. But this 4670K is definitely working better than both of my 3570K chips ever did, no quirky tiresome WHEA warning nonsense so far.

And no one has passed me any H87 mobos yet. Which specific ones are you looking at, maybe I go and ask...

 

[micheloving]

Do haswell suffer from any heat problem due to cheap thermal grease?Any defect in this 1st batch ,motherboard or chip wise?

It seems that battery boost on portable devices is the only significant aspect of haswell?

 

[MacClipper]

Do haswell suffer from any heat problem due to cheap thermal grease?Any defect in this 1st batch ,motherboard or chip wise?

It seems that battery boost on portable devices is the only significant aspect of haswell?

From reading hardware forums, our present local batch of chips seems to be o'cing better than average with all (3 out of 3) of ours hitting at least 4.5GHz easily. Temps will eventually depend on your cooling gear.

I will take Haswell over Ivy any day, it's easier and more stable to overclock - no WHEA messiness.

 

[MacClipper]

Adaptive vs Fixed Vcore (Again!)
The latest recommended method of setting the Vcore is the new Intel Adaptive setting which can allow the idle voltage to drop to the low stock ~0.70V unlike using the Offset or Fixed methods.

However, thanks (or no thanks) to the current Intel BIOS base code, using the Adaptive Vcore setting results in a ~ 0.1V boost in Vcore whenever AVX instructions are detected. And that alone can result in a big jump in load temperatures (~ 10C difference) as can be illustrated below.

Running the same overclock at the the same numerical Vcore settings on the exact same rig but using the 2 different Vcore options, you can check out the load temps... wah lau eh a stonking 10C difference!


AIDA64 v3.00 Stability Stress Test

Thus when comparing load temps, one has to scrutinise the Vcore readings to determine which Vcore setting method is being used so a more meaningful comparison can be made.
Similarly when comparing benchmark scores and load temps, one has to remember to see if AVX settings were used cos you may spot some hardware site reviews using LinX either without SP1 (no AVX support) or the older non-AVX Linpack libraries resulting in tell tale low load temps and scores (but more seemingly impressive GHz numbers).

HTH