Manchester United - Theatre of Dreams - - Part 12

[AristDing]

Its Old Trafford, not Britannia. If Man Utd was away team, things might be different...

Home or away, you got guts to walk into a dressing room and show a card?

Sure scared tio hoot one

 

[cancer81]

Home or away, you got guts to walk into a dressing room and show a card?

Sure scared tio hoot one

the match referee has the power to request to speak to the captains or the managers of both playing sides during half time.

booking a player for off field alterations is a slightly rare occurrence but it is again within the laws of the game.

If the referee tio hoot if he walks into a dressing room for official duty, then the match deserves to be forfeited and the game is replayed

The yellow card is used to communicate that a player, substitute or substituted
player has been cautioned.
The red card is used to communicate that a player, substitute or substituted
player has been sent off.
Only a player, substitute or substituted player may be shown the red or yellow
card.
The referee has the authority to take disciplinary sanctions from the moment
he enters the field of play until he leaves the field of play after the final whistle.
A player who commits a cautionable or sending-off offence, either on or off
the field of play, whether directed towards an opponent, a team-mate, the
referee, an assistant referee or any other person, is disciplined according to the
nature of the offence committed.

from FIFA law of the game

 

[cancer81]

I don't see a problem there. 2 strikers up front usually means that one will need to drop deep and link the midfield and the attack. Rooney usually is the one doing it as he is a deep-lying striker, although RVP can do the role well too. At this period, he still have the fitness and hunger to drive into the box when we are attacking.

5 in the midfield when we don't have the ball is normal. It all depends on the fluidity of the formation.

it is a problem when he leaves RvP all alone up there.

recall how the attack became more effective when Januzaj was brought on? the ball was moved faster and Januzaj was running at the Stoke defence so much that they had to devote attention to him.

it gave space to the others to play. It is not right for Kagawa to run the ball towards RvP when he is far away and Rooney is just 5 yards away because he went back to fetch the ball back.

in all, it highlights the fact that Carrick needs a partner to harass the opposition when they do not have possession. unless Kagawa does that or Wazza does that properly...

 

[19dino]

Chelsea did get several youngsters from other places and nurtured them at their academy.

Lukaku, Sturridge comes to mind.

Robert Huth is a Chelsea youth signing. Though he did not really impose himself over there.

But yes, David Moyes need to get some sort of successful season out of this batch and start building a new trophy winning squad out of this current one.

I do feel that David need to ask Wazza where exactly he wants to play. He likes to go deep to get the ball that he leaves RvP up there all alone when they are supposed to be a strike pair

"comon son, spit it out. You wanna be in the centre of midfield or you wanna be up top?? cos ya leaving ya partner up there with his back to goal all da time... I swear the amount of time you spend at the halfway line makes me think I deployed 5 in midfield..."

Wayne was playing as a striker in the game, however he frequently swapped position with Kags when he made runs into the box. And it actually draws players away leaving space for Kags to exploit. Just that final balls and passing not as crisp yet. - work in progress.

But after Magical Pea scores the winning goal, the camera immediately panned onto the touch line, showing Wazza drinking water and Moyers mouthing to him. - perhaps asking him to help play in midfield and win the ball there, Wazza just nodded.

Happy that we won, happy that Wazza is willing to play in midfield to close games out, at the form that he is in, i won't want to see him in midfield so long as Kags is also in the team.

 

[cancer81]

Wazza had to do that because Cleverly was taken off to put Hernandez on... which basically meant there is only Carrick in the middle.

Of course Wazza had to be there. For abt 11 minutes or so. Just got a come back lead, Wazza wun say no to that right?

 

[micey84]

it is a problem when he leaves RvP all alone up there.

recall how the attack became more effective when Januzaj was brought on? the ball was moved faster and Januzaj was running at the Stoke defence so much that they had to devote attention to him.

it gave space to the others to play. It is not right for Kagawa to run the ball towards RvP when he is far away and Rooney is just 5 yards away because he went back to fetch the ball back.

in all, it highlights the fact that Carrick needs a partner to harass the opposition when they do not have possession. unless Kagawa does that or Wazza does that properly...

don't really understand what are you driving at?

are you trying to saying Kagawa and Rooney are often converging to the same crowded space in the middle? (Kagawa drifting infield and Rooney coming towards the middle to dictate play)

 

[runforyourlife]

biggest club in the world meaning stature? player size? transfer budget? amount of sponsorships? biggest stadium? biggest non-playing-staff? highest among of english players? most sucessful team?

very vague when say 'biggest club in the world'

 

[alibababags]

don't really understand what are you driving at?

are you trying to saying Kagawa and Rooney are often converging to the same crowded space in the middle? (Kagawa drifting infield and Rooney coming towards the middle to dictate play)

he's saying that sometimes when rooney drops deep into midfield, it leaves RVP isolated up front and thus, very hard to get the ball to him to work his magic.

sometimes when launching an attack, they cant get the ball towards the strikers because RVP is surrounded and rooney dropped way too deep to cause any danger to the opponent's defence.

this type of things no need think so much.

 

[N_RIDER]

So 'the burmuda triangle'of RVP,Rooney & Kagawa have not go well as expected. It may have started to blossom, but certainly at a snail speed.

SAF has failed to mould the trio into one, now is DM challenge.

How about XMAS tree?
DDG
Rafael Vidic Evans Evra
Fellaini Carrick Cleverley
Rooney Kagawa
RVP

The trade off for "wingless" since other than Januzaj, rest are chicken wings tio makan.
In my dream......drooling...

 

[runforyourlife]

to play the RVP ROONEY and KAGAWA trio, you must dump the wingers. simple as that.

 

[chyehock]

This is something I'm ponding will it works but you post it faster then I do...lol....Januzaj are capable to play in the middle so not a problem....

 

[N_RIDER]

Ok bros, we replaced Cleverley with Januzaj.

Will email to
David_moyes@gmail.com

 

[micey84]

he's saying that sometimes when rooney drops deep into midfield, it leaves RVP isolated up front and thus, very hard to get the ball to him to work his magic.

sometimes when launching an attack, they cant get the ball towards the strikers because RVP is surrounded and rooney dropped way too deep to cause any danger to the opponent's defence.

this type of things no need think so much.

It is the evolution of continental tactics in recent years. Most teams play with a single striker and flood the midfield with 5.
Rooney has a natural tendency to drop deep and link up play, switch balls to the flanks. As long as his appetite and fitness remains for him to drive forward, it is not a problem.

Stoke is still a defensive team (although they are switching slightly more attacking) and always flood the middle of pitch with 4 defenders and 2 dms, that's why you see RVP being isolated.

The main problem is Old Trafford is built to be a wide pitch, it is not as simple to say drop the wingers and play AMs instead. Our CMs are not as mobile as the rest and it will be pretty suicidal to play without width.

 

[cancer81]

don't really understand what are you driving at?

are you trying to saying Kagawa and Rooney are often converging to the same crowded space in the middle? (Kagawa drifting infield and Rooney coming towards the middle to dictate play)

Moyes will need to play the trio of RvP, Wazza and Kagawa more so that they can develop understanding of their interchanging.

It is better for Wazza to not drop back so often unless to support Kagawa for "give & go" plays otherwise, RvP will be very isolated and the defences who elect to seat deep will have an easier job as there is only 1 person to mark

 

[Hypernova]

Ok bros, we replaced Cleverley with Januzaj.

Will email to
David_moyes@gmail.com

not david_moyes@manutd.com meh?

 

[Refresh99]

To me I think that moyes got the right players but not the formation yet

 

[version10]

Think one of our flaws is both our central mid tend to sit too deep. Be it Fellaini, Anderson or even cleverley when they're beside Carrick. Thus Rooney have to drop even further to cover up the hole and collect the ball. After the young Scholes, I don't think we've had a CM that makes late runs into the box and supporting the play more making more emphasis on our wings. The 2 CMs will slowly jog and join up if we're applying constant pressure and hang outside the penalty box. You see City even though they have Fernandinho and Yaya who are both DM by trait, both of them are really running constantly box to box non-stop, helping the attacking players as well.

And I don't see why we have to play "defensive" wingers or midfielders when teams are suppose to be on the defensive against us, not the other way round. Just play Rooney Kagawa and RVP and let teams go defensive against us.

If Chelsea can play Torres, Hazard, Schurrle and Oscar with a very attacking minded Lampard and Ramires against one of the best attacking talents in the BPL in city and still win, I don't see why we cannot play RVP Rooney Kagawa Januzaj together.

Overrun my a*se

 

[micey84]

Moyes will need to play the trio of RvP, Wazza and Kagawa more so that they can develop understanding of their interchanging.

It is better for Wazza to not drop back so often unless to support Kagawa for "give & go" plays otherwise, RvP will be very isolated and the defences who elect to seat deep will have an easier job as there is only 1 person to mark

I will say it is his natural inclination to drop deep, more than that of his tactical instructions. Most of his games, he will have more than 50 touches per game. Is like you don't give him the ball, he will come asking for it.

Okay, I get what you are saying now. But it is only true for teams who are supposedly weaker in quality. For those which are "better or equal", the midfield will always get over-run.

 

[michaelsen]

moyes is very tactically defensive. i do agree with version10, its like those days where people come ot and try to park bus to get 1 point is gone this season. everyone is now here to try and get something and force moyes to be damn defensive.

either we make the wings work, or we should try the xmas tree to break down opp mf/def.

 

[AristDing]

Moyes will need to play the trio of RvP, Wazza and Kagawa more so that they can develop understanding of their interchanging.

It is better for Wazza to not drop back so often unless to support Kagawa for "give & go" plays otherwise, RvP will be very isolated and the defences who elect to seat deep will have an easier job as there is only 1 person to mark

bingo.

actually I believe they have to gel. Despite all the talk of this being the same team that won the league last season, I believe talk of that is actually naive.

Our midfield is being shuffled, the only one player who has always been there is Carrick, everyone else is new. Januzaj, Kagawa, Fellani. Like it or not, we are actually coping to life without Scholes

Rooney, RVP and Kagawa need to get used to the idea of playing with each other too. Somehow, they need to gel.

I always quote this moment - The first time Scholes and Carrick played together, the chemistry was so bad, the moment one player wanted to pass, the other ran off.