[Official] Singapore Blue Chips CD tracking thread

Perisher

Greater Supremacy Member
Deluxe Member
Joined
Jan 5, 2015
Messages
84,183
Reaction score
10,105
Can anyone explain to me how ES3 is down when G3B and in fact the whole index is mostly in green? G3B seems to rise more than ES3 for as far as I can remember. Is the tracking that bad?
 

Perisher

Greater Supremacy Member
Deluxe Member
Joined
Jan 5, 2015
Messages
84,183
Reaction score
10,105
Vested in DBS @19.75. Will look to add more. This is gonna form a new core holdings as I went about adding UOB and OCBC next.
 

felixleong

Banned
Joined
Aug 7, 2008
Messages
5,046
Reaction score
0
SINGAPORE (Feb 2): Singapore banks are staring at increased risks with the city-state grappling with deflation and slower economic growth, and business prospects in Malaysia and China becoming more uncertain, but the outlook for the three lenders may not be as bad as it looks, according to Credit Suisse.

The recent spike in short-term interest rates in Singapore does not bode well for the local economy, especially at a time when GDP growth is expected to moderate, Credit Suisse analysts, led by Sanjay Jain, wrote in a report, noting that higher rates will translate into, among other things, more pressure for the Singapore housing market.

At the same time, Malaysia has "suddenly emerged as a big risk" for UOB and OCBC as weaker oil and commodity prices have started taking a toll on its economy, they noted.

China, too, is seen grappling with a slowdown and could create "some stress" for Singapore banks, which have been expanding their operations there in recent years.

But despite these issues, all three lenders are still expected to hold up relatively well, according to the analysts.

"Rising nominal and real rates, decelerating economy, etc will impact the key earnings drivers of banks but there could be a difference in timing," they said.

"The street is forecasting mid-single-digit EPS growth as loan growth slows, margins widen modestly and credit cost picks up a bit. However, while margins should start expanding as Sibor rises, it is likely that credit costs show up next year, i.e., with a lag.

"Hence, Singapore banks' earnings might well be protected in 2015, especially in the case of DBS whose margins should benefit the most."

On the slowdown in Malaysia, where OCBC and UOB have been operating in for years, risks are rising but both lenders' loan exposure there is "well diversified" and not skewed towards the more vulnerable oil and gas sector, although defaults and provisions could still go up if commodity and oil prices do not recovery quickly, they said.

Meanwhile, Singapore banks' non-performing loans and credit costs in China "have remained pristine so far" despite the slowdown in Asia's biggest economy, they noted, adding that most of their loans are backed by collateral or by a large Chinese bank.

"The backing of guarantee from mainland banks and collateral should help reduce the tendency to default."

Overall, Singapore banks have a good track record in managing credit risks, they said. "We have become broadly negative on Asean banks and in the context of rising US interest rates, Singapore banks can prove to be relatively defensive."

The biggest risk for their share price has to do with the local currency, they added.

Singapore's central bank recently sought to slow down the appreciation of the local dollar by lowering the slope of its currency band.

"So the stock price appreciation might be negated by a currency decline for a US dollar-denominated investor, but this theme applies to many Asian markets," the analysts said. "Net-net, we maintain our 'market weigh' stance with DBS being our top pick."
 

spiritGate

Arch-Supremacy Member
Joined
Oct 11, 2007
Messages
11,440
Reaction score
2
SINGAPORE (Feb 2): Singapore banks are staring at increased risks with the city-state grappling with deflation and slower economic growth, and business prospects in Malaysia and China becoming more uncertain, but the outlook for the three lenders may not be as bad as it looks, according to Credit Suisse.

The recent spike in short-term interest rates in Singapore does not bode well for the local economy, especially at a time when GDP growth is expected to moderate, Credit Suisse analysts, led by Sanjay Jain, wrote in a report, noting that higher rates will translate into, among other things, more pressure for the Singapore housing market.

At the same time, Malaysia has "suddenly emerged as a big risk" for UOB and OCBC as weaker oil and commodity prices have started taking a toll on its economy, they noted.

China, too, is seen grappling with a slowdown and could create "some stress" for Singapore banks, which have been expanding their operations there in recent years.

But despite these issues, all three lenders are still expected to hold up relatively well, according to the analysts.

"Rising nominal and real rates, decelerating economy, etc will impact the key earnings drivers of banks but there could be a difference in timing," they said.

"The street is forecasting mid-single-digit EPS growth as loan growth slows, margins widen modestly and credit cost picks up a bit. However, while margins should start expanding as Sibor rises, it is likely that credit costs show up next year, i.e., with a lag.

"Hence, Singapore banks' earnings might well be protected in 2015, especially in the case of DBS whose margins should benefit the most."

On the slowdown in Malaysia, where OCBC and UOB have been operating in for years, risks are rising but both lenders' loan exposure there is "well diversified" and not skewed towards the more vulnerable oil and gas sector, although defaults and provisions could still go up if commodity and oil prices do not recovery quickly, they said.

Meanwhile, Singapore banks' non-performing loans and credit costs in China "have remained pristine so far" despite the slowdown in Asia's biggest economy, they noted, adding that most of their loans are backed by collateral or by a large Chinese bank.

"The backing of guarantee from mainland banks and collateral should help reduce the tendency to default."

Overall, Singapore banks have a good track record in managing credit risks, they said. "We have become broadly negative on Asean banks and in the context of rising US interest rates, Singapore banks can prove to be relatively defensive."

The biggest risk for their share price has to do with the local currency, they added.

Singapore's central bank recently sought to slow down the appreciation of the local dollar by lowering the slope of its currency band.

"So the stock price appreciation might be negated by a currency decline for a US dollar-denominated investor, but this theme applies to many Asian markets," the analysts said. "Net-net, we maintain our 'market weigh' stance with DBS being our top pick."

wow this means onlu DBS worth vesting?
 

Perisher

Greater Supremacy Member
Deluxe Member
Joined
Jan 5, 2015
Messages
84,183
Reaction score
10,105
what makes u wanna be vested in DBS?

Not from a TA POV, but banks would do well in a rising rate environment.
The PE is less than 12, DBS is the largest of the three banks with a market value of S$49b.

Solid blue chips, so-so dividends, and as I mentioned, will look to be going for UOB and OCBC when they drop.
 

johndoe2

Junior Member
Joined
Feb 26, 2009
Messages
97
Reaction score
0
Seems like Banks gonna get re-evaluated might go down abit.
Will probably get vested then. :D
 

Bedokian

Senior Member
Joined
Apr 5, 2007
Messages
2,199
Reaction score
7
I agree banks are at a high now.

But with the 100 share per lot, for those who insist in going into banks now, they could buy in now and do a DCA style every month or quarter. This could spread the price out.

Caveat emptor, not vested in any local banks.
 

felixleong

Banned
Joined
Aug 7, 2008
Messages
5,046
Reaction score
0
Banks had a great rally last year, i sold off my ocbc last year end. Not looking to get back into banks yet, slowly see how... Wanna see how the interest rates move first
 

dominion23

Supremacy Member
Joined
Dec 17, 2009
Messages
6,896
Reaction score
1,233
I agree banks are at a high now.

But with the 100 share per lot, for those who insist in going into banks now, they could buy in now and do a DCA style every month or quarter. This could spread the price out.

Caveat emptor, not vested in any local banks.

sounds like good idea in theory but with the commission rate still at the same... not very good for retail investors xia
 

Tuckie

Arch-Supremacy Member
Joined
Mar 1, 2008
Messages
24,854
Reaction score
1,203
sounds like good idea in theory but with the commission rate still at the same... not very good for retail investors xia

yep, if really want to nibble, scb bah, 19.70 price 100 share, commission, GST, clearing fee all in should be about $5.
 

dominion23

Supremacy Member
Joined
Dec 17, 2009
Messages
6,896
Reaction score
1,233
thanks for the tips but prefer to see my shares in CDP m
have been using vickers cash upfront to lower transaction costs
 

Perisher

Greater Supremacy Member
Deluxe Member
Joined
Jan 5, 2015
Messages
84,183
Reaction score
10,105
I look at it this way, unless you are doing transactions in 10k amount, using any other broker is just gonna cost u a lot more in commission down the road.
Assuming you ain't gonna do diversification much, then yeah, one lump sum in certain counter+buy and hold would work using CDP.
But if you are buying alot of small amount, it doesn't make much sense, the fees add up pretty fast.

Imagine me buying Singtel at $4 per 1000 shares, and it only cost $7+ comm in scb, while you pay $18+ one way, a difference of $10++. If you need to break even, you gotta hope Singtel jumps to $4.02+ while I am in the $$ at $4.01. And that's just one way.
All these will add up pretty fast, and before you know it, after say 36 trades a year(3 trades a month isn't much), you are already paying $360+/- more than me using scb, and that's assuming all your trades is in the $4 range, not those $1 stocks.
If you buy those that cost considerably less than $4 stocks like most reits are, we are talking about $7-800++ in savings at 3 trades a month per year.

With those savings, when I trade in larger sums eventually(say $10k instead of 1-2k), I would switch back to CDP. But before that, a few years in SCB is hugely beneficial.

You get the idea. So buy in 1 lump sum + buy and hold if you are using CDP.

Just my opinion only.
 

Asphodeli

Arch-Supremacy Member
Joined
Jul 8, 2001
Messages
22,450
Reaction score
3,750
thanks for the tips but prefer to see my shares in CDP m
have been using vickers cash upfront to lower transaction costs

at first you'll be "ooh and ahh" when you receive the annual reports, but then there comes the screaming and running when you have multiple counters and your mailbox will be stuffed with thick books, waiting for you to read... :s22:

 
Important Forum Advisory Note
This forum is moderated by volunteer moderators who will react only to members' feedback on posts. Moderators are not employees or representatives of HWZ. Forum members and moderators are responsible for their own posts.

Please refer to our Community Guidelines and Standards, Terms of Service and Member T&Cs for more information.
Top