Liverpool Forum (Anfield) - Part 15

[deadguy]

FENWAYWECOMENOTTOPAY

Pathetic group of fans. This is what has happened to fans nowadays, no matter who they support.

Somehow I really wish for FSG to sell it back to H+G. It will be fun.

 

[GunzerX]

Benteke blows hot and cold. Ings had one good (but not great) season in the PL. It would be a very big gamble if Liverpool were to put all their eggs into these two baskets.

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I got a strong feeling benteke will flop as he is similar mould to andy carroll with a bit of baloteli.

Ings on the other hand his scoring record is not fantastic. We will add on to the list of strikers being benched. In the end 'ben'teke will be 'ben'ched.

 

[HuaiNR]

FENWAYWECOMENOTTOPAY

Pathetic group of fans. This is what has happened to fans nowadays, no matter who they support.

Somehow I really wish for FSG to sell it back to H+G. It will be fun.

I dun know why fans nowadays like to use the term "net spend" so much.. Waste money means waste money. Dun make it sound like the owners pocket the profits and only give you spare change to buy players.

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[HuaiNR]

I got a strong feeling benteke will flop as he is similar mould to andy carroll with a bit of baloteli.

Ings on the other hand his scoring record is not fantastic. We will add on to the list of strikers being benched. In the end 'ben'teke will be 'ben'ched.

Dun fret... We still have Origi, the best striker since the real ronaldo joining us next season.

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[deadguy]

I dun know why fans nowadays like to use the term "net spend" so much.. Waste money means waste money. Dun make it sound like the owners pocket the profits and only give you spare change to buy players.

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To suit their pathetic agenda. Bottom line is, we sold Suarez but that $ goes back to the squad. Who we buy and how they perform doesn't mean we don't pump much $ into it. If we spend that $ and bring in Costa and Sanchez alone, would those idiotic fans still moan about net spend?

Think they still would cause our back-line would still let in a record numbers of goals as well.

 

[begintoend]

Guys, we are 5th now. Will we be 5th in the end on Sunday?

 

[Sinkie]

Connor @ConnorwilsonLFC
Been told Fallows and Edwards will be going and Monchi will be coming in as the of head of the committee which it will remain..No DOF. ******************


Connor @ConnorwilsonLFC
When this will happen I have no idea what so ever but I know #Monchi is wanted for a meeting in Boston soon. That's all I've been told. ******************

 

[begintoend]

Connor @ConnorwilsonLFC
Been told Fallows and Edwards will be going and Monchi will be coming in as the of head of the committee which it will remain..No DOF. ******************


Connor @ConnorwilsonLFC
When this will happen I have no idea what so ever but I know #Monchi is wanted for a meeting in Boston soon. That's all I've been told. ******************

Oh shiat.... rodgers stays

 

[GunzerX]

I dun know why fans nowadays like to use the term "net spend" so much.. Waste money means waste money. Dun make it sound like the owners pocket the profits and only give you spare change to buy players.

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Net spend $100m and spend $100m is a lot of difference. If u net spend $100m it means u can spend $200m but sell $100m u net spend $100m. But when u said spent $100m And if u sell 75m..it mean out of pocket only $25m. Not saying owner never reinvest but really surprise that a lot of ppl here don't know the true difference.

 

[Carnage]

To suit their pathetic agenda. Bottom line is, we sold Suarez but that $ goes back to the squad. Who we buy and how they perform doesn't mean we don't pump much $ into it. If we spend that $ and bring in Costa and Sanchez alone, would those idiotic fans still moan about net spend?

Think they still would cause our back-line would still let in a record numbers of goals as well.

At the end of the day, it's not about how much we spend but whether the right results are produced.

How many times have we seen the players going about their game as if a testimonial match or sunday kickabout in this year alone, never mind the entire season?

The motivation just isn't there, they're not pulling their weight in wages. Be it Glen Johnson, Sterling or Lovren, alot of the player have been accused (rightly) of a lack of commitment to the cause.

Like it or not, football is all about results. I daresay having a pretty brand of football will make you more attractive to watch but the end state is if you don't have points on the board, it doesn't matter if you dominated the game and had more shots on goal than the opposition.

And I think we'll all agree that Liverpool's football for the bulk of the season has been anything but attractive. Rodgers was signed on because he turned Swansea into a passing team on a shoestring budget. I fail to see how with a bigger budget, our level of football has been regressive even as he spends more and more with each season.

 

[GunzerX]

Connor @ConnorwilsonLFC
Been told Fallows and Edwards will be going and Monchi will be coming in as the of head of the committee which it will remain..No DOF. ******************


Connor @ConnorwilsonLFC
When this will happen I have no idea what so ever but I know #Monchi is wanted for a meeting in Boston soon. That's all I've been told. ******************

Either way fsg must be mesmorise by br speech. He sure know how to smoke the owner.

 

[messi7]

now mandzukic is heavily linked to us.. do u think he is the striker we duly need?

 

[Takechan]

1. They don't represent me

2. Overlooks FSG's (off-field) accomplishments but exaggerates their failures

3. Sounds more like a whining than an actual plea/petition

4. Where were these donkeys when we were 2nd last season?

For those who want to read the letter being petitioned by fans at Liverpool.

TO Fenway Sports Group, John W Henry, Tom Werner, Michael Gordon, David Ginsberg, Michael Egan and Ian Ayre

We, the Fenway We Come Not To Pay Facebook, YouTube, Twitter page, are devoted Liverpool fans from UK and Ireland. We are a group growing day by day.

In October 6th 2010, you took over this great club from Gillett and Hicks. Some saw you as Saviours. In the early days of show voting and kissing up to the fan base, some deemed this an Ownership that would take this club back to the glory days. Not us.

We are under no illusions here. Fenway Sports Group are business men, opportunists not saviours of this club. You saw a huge club with massive potential on the brink of administration and in massive debt and you bought the club on a steal. Christian Purslow called it the “bottom of the barrel” deal.

Weeks and months into your ownership, you did your show voting and your PR stunts to win over the fans and listen to their needs. You said we could compete financial with the best of them.

In September 2012, in failing to secure the signing of Clint Dempsey, you put out an open letter to the fans, that wasn’t so open for comments back from the fans. You stated in your letter; “I can say with authority that our ownership is not about profit. Contrary to popular opinion, owners rarely get involved in sports in order to generate cash. They generally get involved with a club in order to compete and work for the benefit of their club”. No wonder you didn’t want us fans commenting about your open letter with comments like that.

What business man is not in it for the profit? Fast forward to present day and we have seen some of our senior players sold to free up the wage… very similar to the tactics used at the San Diego Padres and the Fire Sale of 1993. While you don’t have Rosanne Barr coming out and destroying “You’ll never walk alone” at Anfield… you did have Dunkin Donuts make a complete mockery of our crest and made the eternal flames of Hillsborough into coffee cups. You would have a hard time convincing San Diego Padres that you were not in it for the profit and were to work for the benefit of the club.

In May 2012, your appointment of Mr. Jen Chang as the Club's Corporate Relations and Communications Director certainly wasn’t your greatest moment either after a couple of months into his position, threatening a Liverpool fan on twitter.

John Henry, you showed further disrespect to the LFC fans with your famous tweet “oh and sign Reus”. Your sarcastic tweets are a rather smug approach to the fans of this great club. It’s clear to us that opportunists such as FSG have no real ambition to succeed in football. FSG have achieved absolutely nothing in this sport. We have failed in every attempt to bring in our top targets since FSG took over. We also have a 91% failure rate in transfers made since FSG bought the club. We have missed out on some major signings due to a transfer policies and contract policies that clearly doesn’t work and will never work in the Premier League. This is becoming an absolute joke for a club the size of LFC. You can hide behind the smokescreen of Financial Fair Play all you like, but with the revenue from the TV deal and the many commercial and sponsorship deals you have sought after, there is absolutely no excuse.

You claim to be passionate about this club and the fans, and not in it for profit, yet how can you explain £12.7 million net spent per transfer window and especially while the clubs value has increased in the last 12 months by 41%? You claimed you can complete financially with the best of them and would not be a selling club... yet 35 players have been brought in, while 42 players left the club. You are passionate about the club yet you give us an interest free loan for the expansion of the main stand that we have to pay back to you within 5 years? Doesn’t sound right. You claim to care for the people of Liverpool and the worldwide fan base of this great club yet you have put up the prices of tickets meaning many cannot afford these costs. It doesn’t sound like you are at all passionate when you are reassuring the rest of Fenway Sports Management that Liverpool Football Club will not in any way interfere with your dealings or commitment with the Boston Red Sox. That explains why you are very rarely at Anfield.

Brendan Rodgers, an inexperienced manager was appointed by you in June 2012 and he stated that he made very clear that he would not work under a Director of Football. Yet you have a transfer committee dictating to him as to what players he can get and a contract policy that makes it next to impossible to get any of our first choice targets. You have got to speculate to accumulate, otherwise if we come up short with funds for transfer or a suitable contract, we will continue to fall short of the top 4 or 5 in the Premiership.

You can appreciate, after the trouble we had with Gillett and Hicks and their broken promises, we were always going to be wary of what owners we had next and analyse everything they said they would do and look at what they have actually done. It is our opinion that your first love are the Boston Red Sox and that we are just a short term investment that will make you a huge profit in the end. There is absolutely no structure to the club. It is a runaway train with plenty of people around it but no one really bold enough to put it on the right track.

We do not want our club run into the ground again or short changed either. This coming summer transfer window is the most important yet. We need to beef up our squad and we need marquee signings. Champions League football or not, if you pay the fee, and the wage, the players will come to this club. If you are going to back Brendan Rodgers, then get rid of the transfer committee and your policies and allow him do his job.

If you continue to go down the path you are going down, the fans worldwide, will get restless and they will be looking for people to blame and calling for people’s jobs. You can throw your managers under the bus to save yourselves but eventually the fans worldwide will be looking at you as being completely responsible for our demise.

There is a phrase that I’m sure that you have heard of and would do no harm in remembering it when thinking of your position in this club... “They messed with the wrong city”. Those who dared mess with this city, learnt the hard way and regret it to this day.

Your choices are clear. Our point has been made. Either KOP on, or sell up.

Yours sincerely

FENWAYWECOMENOTTOPAY
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[HuaiNR]

Net spend $100m and spend $100m is a lot of difference. If u net spend $100m it means u can spend $200m but sell $100m u net spend $100m. But when u said spent $100m And if u sell 75m..it mean out of pocket only $25m. Not saying owner never reinvest but really surprise that a lot of ppl here don't know the true difference.

I think this has been discussed many times already..

Of course I know the difference, the thing is in the end we did wasted $100 million in the transfer market ya? The $100 million bought us quantity but not quality.

The owners could have jolly well pocketed the proceeds from the Suarez sale and gave BR just a token sum to strengthen his squad. (Like what the Glazers did to Man Utd after Ronaldo was sold)

And I see some fans proclaiming that we should give BR full control over player transfers. I say this would be the biggest mistake the owners are going to make if they approve this.

 

[HuaiNR]

now mandzukic is heavily linked to us.. do u think he is the striker we duly need?

Remember Andy Carroll? Now imagine him hold a Croatian passport and you have Mario Mandzukic.

Pundits have noted Mandžukić for his physical strength, versatility, mobility and fitness. He was even given the nickname Đilkoš (pronounced jill-kosh) by Miroslav Blažević, which means brash and unsophisticated, referring to the striker's physical strengths, powerful physique and seemingly endless stamina, rather than his technical ability

 

[GunzerX]

I think this has been discussed many times already..

Of course I know the difference, the thing is in the end we did wasted $100 million in the transfer market ya? The $100 million bought us quantity but not quality.

The owners could have jolly well pocketed the proceeds from the Suarez sale and gave BR just a token sum to strengthen his squad. (Like what the Glazers did to Man Utd after Ronaldo was sold)

And I see some fans proclaiming that we should give BR full control over player transfers. I say this would be the biggest mistake the owners are going to make if they approve this.

I agree with you that BR did wasted the $100m. but take it this way....100m spending + suarez still ard compare to 100m without suarez ard. U see the difference? We all know suarez is a rare breed of striker...no striker replacement can easily replace him right. even sanchez is the closest target we can go for but he is nowhere as deadly as suarez since he is sold by Barca to fund suarez purchase.

 

[messi7]

Remember Andy Carroll? Now imagine him hold a Croatian passport and you have Mario Mandzukic.

That's shiat then

Under BR tactics, the forward that can thrive guess is only those agile and always on the move type.. Vietto, dybala, aubameyang are more suitable choices but no solid link so far with them

 

[deadguy]

At the end of the day, it's not about how much we spend but whether the right results are produced.

How many times have we seen the players going about their game as if a testimonial match or sunday kickabout in this year alone, never mind the entire season?

The motivation just isn't there, they're not pulling their weight in wages. Be it Glen Johnson, Sterling or Lovren, alot of the player have been accused (rightly) of a lack of commitment to the cause.

Like it or not, football is all about results. I daresay having a pretty brand of football will make you more attractive to watch but the end state is if you don't have points on the board, it doesn't matter if you dominated the game and had more shots on goal than the opposition.

And I think we'll all agree that Liverpool's football for the bulk of the season has been anything but attractive. Rodgers was signed on because he turned Swansea into a passing team on a shoestring budget. I fail to see how with a bigger budget, our level of football has been regressive even as he spends more and more with each season.

Like I've said before, Rodgers, after last season achievement has become big headed. 1st season under him, we play good football but results just not there due to individual mistakes. 2nd season don't need to say much and because of that achievement, he thinks that he's the top man for this club, after all, he did won the Manager of The Year.

That's when it all goes down hill. Players can't even string a few passes together let alone playing out from the back and last few games, we have been hoffing the ball from the back, and there's no Carra in the squad!

 

[deadguy]

Don't understand why people still need to argue net spend. It's the same shiat when Torres went and we used that $ to buy shiat for lots of $. That 50m can be pocketed by the owner but they reinvested back into the squad. Same goes with Suarez's $.

If we still got Torres that season, there won't need to spend 35m on shiat same goes this season; if we still got Suarez, there's no need to spend shiat load on players.

 

[begintoend]

Don't understand why people still need to argue net spend. It's the same shiat when Torres went and we used that $ to buy shiat for lots of $. That 50m can be pocketed by the owner but they reinvested back into the squad. Same goes with Suarez's $.

If we still got Torres that season, there won't need to spend 35m on shiat same goes this season; if we still got Suarez, there's no need to spend shiat load on players.

Actually if we still got suarez, we will still spend quite a lot. I would say probs about 50-60m. Because we needed to add depth.

ANyway the net spend thing is a argument. For me, $ spend is $ spent. Collectively how much. Net spend arguments serves individual points in the discussion. No right no wrong though.