A sneak peek of Samsung's recently launched product! What is it?

In what situation will the new Samsung SSD T1 come in most handy for you?


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xiaowhois

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Not all bah, there are still some good stuff.
Qoo10 at least offer some security instead of send money to the seller~ some shop still reputable and some sls shop do have store in qoo10 too~ nowadays qoo10 run quite many promo can save quite alot of money
 

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better dont play with admin... their points earned last longer than this contest :s22::(

lazy admins. dun even bother to type the rules properly in the first page on first day of contest or at least explain briefly but just gave us vague warning like dun spam. then just penalized when they see something they dun like. think everyone got power like professor xavier.
 

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Qoo10 at least offer some security instead of send money to the seller~ some shop still reputable and some sls shop do have store in qoo10 too~ nowadays qoo10 run quite many promo can save quite alot of money

Plus today got some special promo code..50% off purchase, 5 dollar off and stuff...Good deal.
 

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From what I read it's like how we move from having kampong buildings to high rise HDB :s13:=:p. From horizontal to vertical. More layer(level) result in more people (data) occupying the same amount of space. As a result, bringing the cost of the land(SSD) down while providing a higher capacity.

http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/product/vnand/overview

how does it exactly improve speeds of transferring files? also it doesn't really bring the cost down but instead increase it. 1tb is quite normal in ssd drives so its not exactly higher capacity.
 

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read that the samsung ssd t1 drive can withstand shock 1500G/0.5 ms. what happens if it exceed this amount of shock? will our data still be safe?
 

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samsung ssd t1 use AES 256 bit encryption algorithm to secure valuable data and it is hardware based. how secure is this from other users or hackers who wanted to steal data?
 

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how does it exactly improve speeds of transferring files? also it doesn't really bring the cost down but instead increase it. 1tb is quite normal in ssd drives so its not exactly higher capacity.

Space is limited ma. If you can use smaller component yet have higher capacity and stack them. You end up with more space by using less material. Translating to the lower cost. At the same time, more space means can stack more hence the 2TB evo 850.

Like what andandtech says...

Nowadays 1TB has become a common capacity in almost every OEM's lineup, which is thanks to both lower NAND prices and controllers being sophisticated enough to manage 1TB of NAND. The next milestone is obviously the multi-terabyte era, which we are entering with the release of 2TB Samsung 850 Pro and EVO models.


Explaining how NAND works...

Breaking capacity thresholds involves work on both the NAND and the controller side. All controllers have a fixed number of die they can talk to and for modern 8-channel controllers with eight chip enablers (CEs) per channel the limit is typically 64 dies. With 128Gbit (16GB) being the common NAND die capacity today, 64 dies yields 1,024GB or 1TB (as it's often marketed). It's possible to utilize a single CE for managing more than one die (which is what e.g. Silicon Motion does to achieve 1TB with a 4-channel controller), but it adds complexity to the firmware design and there's a negative performance impact as the two dies on the same chip enabler can't be accessed simultaneously.

Increasing NAND capacity per die is one way to work around the channel/CE limitation, but it's generally not the most efficient way. First off, doubling the capacity of the die increases complexity substantially because you are effectively dealing with twice the number of transistors per die. The second drawback is reduced write performance, especially at smaller capacities, as SSDs rely heavily on parallelism for performance, so doubling the capacity per die will cut parallelism in half. That reduces the usability of the die in capacity sensitive applications such as eMMC storage, which don't have many die to begin with (as the same dies are often used in various different applications ranging from mobile to enterprise).


And the explanation why NAND is better capped at 1TB.

The real bottleneck, however, is the DRAM controller. Today's NAND mapping table designs tend to require about 1MB of DRAM per 1GB of NAND for optimal performance, so breaking the 1TB limit requires a DRAM controller capable of supporting 2GB of DRAM. From a design standpoint, implementing a beefier DRAM controller isn't a massive challenge, but it eats both die and PCB area and hence increases cost. Given how 2TB SSDs are currently a relatively small niche, embedding a DRAM controller with 2GB support for a mainstream controller isn't very economical, which is why today's client-grade SSD controller usually support up to 1GB to increase cost efficiency.

With the improvement of the chip... They were able to increase the write endurance. Even up the warranty to 10 years.

Initially the 850 Pro was rated at 150TB of write endurance across all capacities, but Samsung changed that sometime after the launch and the 512GB, 1TB and 2TB versions now carry 300TB endurance rating along with a 10-year warranty.

48GB not usable to support turbo write for endurance.
As the 32-layer TLC V-NAND die was 128Gbit to begin with, Samsung didn't need to develop a new higher capacity die to bring the capacity to 2TB. The EVO also uses eight 16-die packages with the only difference to Pro being TLC NAND, which is more economical to manufacture since storing three bits in one cell yields higher density than two. Out of the 2,048GiB of raw NAND, 2,000GB is user-accessible, which is 48GB less than in the 2TB 850 Pro, but the TurboWrite SLC cache eats a portion of NAND and TLC tends to require a bit more over-provisioning to keep the write amplification low for endurance reasons.

Despite higher capacity normally require higher power..

A part of that is explained by the move from LPDDR2 to LPDDR3, but it's also possible that the MHX is manufactured using a more power efficient process node. Depending on the benchmark the power savings can be anywhere from 5% to close to 20%, so it's not a marginal gain especially because higher capacity SSDs usually consume more power due to the additional NAND.


ps. Andandtech review are fun to read..But too long. LOL.
 

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if v-nand technology is cap at 1tb, does that mean samsung won't come out a 2tb or 3tb.
 

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What is the Samsung SSD T1's casing made of?
Metal or plastic?

The official description of "laser patterning and black chrome metalizing finishing" isn't very clear.
 

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so usap can only be used with usb3.0? if your system is not usap compliant, does that mean the samsung ssd t1 drive will function like other normal ssd drive.
 

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What is the Samsung SSD T1's casing made of?
Metal or plastic?

The official description of "laser patterning and black chrome metalizing finishing" isn't very clear.

it is plastic. metal will only make it heavier and not really good in shock or vibration resistance.
 

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What is the Samsung SSD T1's casing made of?
Metal or plastic?

The official description of "laser patterning and black chrome metalizing finishing" isn't very clear.

in order to make the samsung T1 portable SSD to be lightweight, the casing has to be plastic and to save cost.
 

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I am hoping for a steel, maybe aircraft grade aluminium?, case for the SSD... Good for dissipating heat also? I see reviews say that the Samsung 850 EVO, which is in this Samsung SSD T1 generate quite a bit of heat?

hmm does the Samsung Portable SSD T1 really produce a lot of heat? metal can dissipate heat fast but it would be hot to the touch.

looking at how expensive it is now, i dont think its a good idea to introduce extra cost to make it even more expensive
 
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