Huawei Nexus 6P (2015)

[garychengjw]

Nexus phone are meant for development purposes. Having this lock mechanism already break the purpose of Nexus. Nice la, Google. Thanks -_-

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[Skyy]

Qfuse is a hardware, once trip cannot revert back.

Crap, no one mention this before.

Vulpix, where you get this info???

That's why the trick is to find a way to flash custom roms without unlocking the bootloader and tripping the qfuse. I think Sony phones can do it, they have custom roms for locked and unlocked bootloaders

Looks like Android Pay is gona screw the modding community big time.

 

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I found this link from late August from the leaked 6P. You can clearly see 'QFuse status ENABLED'.

http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/0...owing-off-usb-type-c-port-and-snapdragon-810/

*jaw drop to the ground*

 

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That's why the trick is to find a way to flash custom roms without unlocking the bootloader and tripping the qfuse. I think Sony phones can do it, they have custom roms for locked and unlocked bootloaders

Looks like Android Pay is gona screw the modding community big time.

You can't gain root with locked bootloader. No development can start without root.

But you can flash ota firmware with locked bootloader.

It's like restoring image to your pc. But you cannot alter the contents inside the image.

I don't know about Sony phones, I'm using nexus for a few years already.

 

[TheSacredSoul]

I think we will need to wait till consumers(and developers) get the phone and not reviewers before making any decision.

 

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Phonearena seems to have a damning score of the 6P's battery life =(

http://www.phonearena.com/phones/Google-Nexus-6P_id9587/benchmarks#Battery

Nexus 6 is good? I don't believe this already.

 

[Vulpix]

I think we will need to wait till consumers(and developers) get the phone and not reviewers before making any decision.

This isn't a review set though.

 

[Encrypted11]

This isn't a review set though.

Its the commercial version?

 

[TheSacredSoul]

This isn't a review set though.

I mean, what does the QFuse mean for development. I am sure devs on XDA etc will have their thoughts on the matter.

 

[shawniiex]

You can't gain root with locked bootloader. No development can start without root.

But you can flash ota firmware with locked bootloader.

It's like restoring image to your pc. But you cannot alter the contents inside the image.

I don't know about Sony phones, I'm using nexus for a few years already.

Funny how my Sony phone is rooted with an unlocked bootloader.
It is possible to use root.
But aosp development will be dwarfed.

 

[TheSacredSoul]

Sony also loses a lot of features unlocking the BL. No more Bravia(or whatever they are calling it now) engine, camera quality decrease etc.

But that is besides the point. The reason why most people want a Nexus device is for the openness of the device.

 

[Skyy]

You can't gain root with locked bootloader. No development can start without root.

But you can flash ota firmware with locked bootloader.

It's like restoring image to your pc. But you cannot alter the contents inside the image.

I don't know about Sony phones, I'm using nexus for a few years already.

No la, I don't think u need to unlock bootloader to gain root. Last time the LG G3, it had root for the longest time because of towelroot. Could even install xposed but that's as far as it went, couldn't flash custom roms because of the locked bootloader until much later,where they introduced BUMP, by which time I sold it and moved on.

For Sony also the same, at least for my Xperia SP which is quite an old phone. I could root it, flash aosp even but I never did need to unlock the bootloader though cos I installed an AOSP rom for locked bootloaders.

So yeah, let's wait for the general public to get their hands on production units and we'll know if this qfuse is gona present a problem

 

[fi3ry_icy]

Haha.. I just saw Vulpix post on reddit..

 

[MichaelTan]

But that is besides the point. The reason why most people want a Nexus device is for the openness of the device.

The reason why many people buy a nexus is for stock Google firmware without bloat. For me, at least, that's what I want. Also for all the fancy camera, stock firmware, world's fastest fingerprint scanner, performance smoothness under marshmallow, security, newest updates from Google directly for 2 years and also monthly security patches.

People who own Samsung, LG or Sony, they want to have a custom ROM for many reasons, mostly to have the latest version of Google Android on their phone without needing to wait for official. But on the nexus it's always bleeding edge latest version of Android, so nexus users don't have to hack in the latest version Android, it's by OTA anyway.

That's how this thread has been going too. But to each his own. I respect that.

 

[Vulpix]

The reason why many people buy a nexus is for stock Google firmware without bloat. For me, at least, that's what I want. Also for all the fancy camera, stock firmware, world's fastest fingerprint scanner, performance smoothness under marshmallow, security, newest updates from Google directly for 2 years and also monthly security patches.

That's how this thread has been going too. But to each his own. I respect that.

I think most people are concerned about the warranty portion. So far I haven't heard of any company officially stating they will support if the virtual fuse is blown.

 

[Skyy]

I think most people are concerned about the warranty portion. So far I haven't heard of any company officially stating they will support if the virtual fuse is blown.

The thing is, for those companies who officially support root and custom roms, they don't even have this virtual fuse right? For e.g. OnePlus and Oppo are companies that are super friendly to modding and won't void warranty after root & custom roms and i don't think their phones got these silly fuses.

 

[MichaelTan]

I think most people are concerned about the warranty portion. So far I haven't heard of any company officially stating they will support if the virtual fuse is blown.

Subject to confirmation by the pros, rooting won't trip QFuse. If you put in a custom recovery, it will. I think at most nexus users might necessarily root to access certain functions. But to install custom recovery may not be so necessary.

 

[TheSacredSoul]

The reason why many people buy a nexus is for stock Google firmware without bloat. For me, at least, that's what I want. Also for all the fancy camera, stock firmware, world's fastest fingerprint scanner, performance smoothness under marshmallow, security, newest updates from Google directly for 2 years and also monthly security patches.

People who own Samsung, LG or Sony, they want to have a custom ROM for many reasons, mostly to have the latest version of Google Android on their phone without needing to wait for official. But on the nexus it's always bleeding edge latest version of Android, so nexus users don't have to hack in the latest version Android, it's by OTA anyway.

That's how this thread has been going too. But to each his own. I respect that.

Of course. The majority might enjoy the device out of the box but there's also a niche group out there who gets Nexus devices for the customisability. AOSP development is always the most active on Nexus devices for a reason. Nexus was intended to be a developer device, at least originally.

 

[Vulpix]

Subject to confirmation by the pros, rooting won't trip QFuse. If you put in a custom recovery, it will. I think at most nexus users might necessarily root to access certain functions. But to install custom recovery may not be so necessary.

The minute you unlock bootloader, it WILL trip. Right now a way to bypass this fuse has not been found on the Nexus 6P.

 

[MichaelTan]

Of course. The majority might enjoy the device out of the box but there's also a niche group out there who gets Nexus devices for the customisability. AOSP development is always the most active on Nexus devices for a reason. Nexus was intended to be a developer device, at least originally.

Fingerprint recognition for Android pay, and in future, banking software, make it difficult to allow tampering with bootloader. As someone posted, corporate device also depends on the fundamental security of the phone not compromised.

Phones are growing up bros. Maybe the future diy phones allow. But for now, nexus is Google flagship device to show off latest Google Android functions, and that includes security must not be compromised..