4 famous officials of the late Qing dynasty: 曾国藩, 李鴻章. 左宗棠, 張之洞

[Cokacola]

Qing dynasty after 雍正 cmi, the emperor only want legacy while the subjects are incompetent only good at politics

 

[xeonboy]

Only heard of Li Hongzhang. The Wong Fei Hung Jet LI movies did show this character briefly.

 

[TerryPower]

左宗棠 is good as he took back Xinjiang from Russian.​

among the four his act has the greatest impact to china territory till date

I think Xinjiang people will prefer Putin instead of Pooh bear

 

[limpeh456]

I think Xinjiang people will prefer Putin instead of Pooh bear

who cares about ppl, is about land grabbing

 

[jim889]

they are han chinese traitors who serve the barbarians manchus

gotch one jeneral kay kiang open door lead to this

 

[Sauron]

I only noes oyk, ccs, gky and lw

 

[lifezard]

I have to google their name so how is it famous?

just means your chinese history sugx... they are all pretty important figures in recent period chinese history... maybe zhang was less famous because he was not directly connected to the taiping rebellion

 

[lifezard]

they are han chinese traitors who serve the barbarians manchus

dude, tat s already 200 yrs after ming, you still expect 天地会 and 反清复明 meh, in fact qing was already regarded as typical chinese dynasty by then (maybe except for the pigtails)

 

[lifezard]

huai nose 袁世凱 in the list

rightly he should, he was as influential as all of them. he inherited the power and authority from li hongzhang and became the final cause of qing demise

 

[wooooot]

moi only know 鸠摩智，金輪法王 and 成昆

 

[lifezard]

魏冬廷，和珅，刘墉，李卫?


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this are more mid qing era figures, during the heydays of qing

 

[ZhuMingQiang]

Qing dynasty after 雍正 cmi, the emperor only want legacy while the subjects are incompetent only good at politics

Poorer governance & white elephant spending in the government after YongZheng emperor........

 

[holytrinity33]

我们先说做人。真正的儒者对自身的要求是很严的，因为儒家是从做人开始的，要先修身养性，然后才能齐家治国平天下。而曾国藩在这上面做得可能更过一点，他对自己很苛刻，有点类似于印度的苦行僧。不仅要求自己非常严格，曾国藩对子女的要求也很严格，所以他的子女没有一个是“坑爹”的。我们都知道曾纪泽、曾纪鸿，这是曾家的二代。到了三代呢？曾宝荪、曾约农，也都是一代大家。曾氏后人人才辈出，这跟曾国藩言传身教很有关系。

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他一干十几年，辛辛苦苦，百败百战，最后击灭了太平军。曾国藩掌握着一个精英集团，一支当时中国最强大的军队。有人劝他，你干脆称帝吧。但是曾国藩并没有这么做，他为了让皇帝安心，让朝廷放心，让自己全节，于是自解兵权。

　　我们从对自己、对同僚、对皇上三个方面可以看出来，曾国藩在做人和做事两者关系的处理上，是先做人再做事。

 

[idolcritic]

behkan tiongs
useless

 

[jerryl]

Li lian yin still the best in AT qing history

 

[holytrinity33]

我们先说做人。真正的儒者对自身的要求是很严的，因为儒家是从做人开始的，要先修身养性，然后才能齐家治国平天下。而曾国藩在这上面做得可能更过一点，他对自己很苛刻，有点类似于印度的苦行僧。不仅要求自己非常严格，曾国藩对子女的要求也很严格，所以他的子女没有一个是“坑爹”的。我们都知道曾纪泽、曾纪鸿，这是曾家的二代。到了三代呢？曾宝荪、曾约农，也都是一代大家。曾氏后人人才辈出，这跟曾国藩言传身教很有关系。

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他一干十几年，辛辛苦苦，百败百战，最后击灭了太平军。曾国藩掌握着一个精英集团，一支当时中国最强大的军队。有人劝他，你干脆称帝吧。但是曾国藩并没有这么做，他为了让皇帝安心，让朝廷放心，让自己全节，于是自解兵权。

　　我们从对自己、对同僚、对皇上三个方面可以看出来，曾国藩在做人和做事两者关系的处理上，是先做人再做事。

Let's talk about being human first. A true Confucian has very strict requirements on himself, because Confucianism starts from being a human being, and it is necessary to cultivate one's self-cultivation first, and only then can the family govern the country and the world in harmony. Zeng Guofan may have done a little more in this regard. He is very harsh on himself, a bit similar to the ascetic monks in India. Not only is he very strict with himself, Zeng Guofan is also very strict with his children, so none of his children are "bad dads". We all know that Zeng Jize and Zeng Jihong are the second generation of the Zeng family. What about the third generation? Zeng Baosun and Zeng Yuenong are also a generation of masters. The talents of Zeng's descendants came out in large numbers, which has a lot to do with Zeng Guofan's words and deeds.

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He worked for more than ten years, worked hard, lost hundreds of battles, and finally defeated the Taiping Army. Zeng Guofan controlled an elite group, the most powerful army in China at the time. Someone persuaded him, you simply call the emperor. But Zeng Guofan did not do this. In order to reassure the emperor, the court, and the whole festival, he released his military power.

We can see from the three aspects of himself, his colleagues, and the emperor that Zeng Guofan's handling of the relationship between being a person and doing things is to be a person first and then to do things.

 

[oddbasket]

Got movie version? Too lazy to read.

 

[holytrinity33]

总之，曾国藩作为权臣，在功高震主之下仍能身名俱泰，关键在于他熟读史书，树立了正确的从政观，看淡权力的得失，引用一班正人，广纳群言，倾听幕僚的意见，认真对待反对者的声音，危难时也不树敌，巧妙周旋，明辨是非，不搞阴谋诡计，善于以退让换平安，恪守臣道，不违友道。在肃清肃顺一伙后，慈禧就曾感叹地说曾国藩为“天下第一正人”。


http://news.cctv.com/china/20090408/102914.shtml

 

[holytrinity33]

曾国藩的祖父颇有一套治家之法，致使家业兴旺。对此，他深为敬重，信守不移。他将祖父相传之家法概括为“早”(早起)、“扫”(洒扫)、“考”(祭祀祖宗)、“宝”(善待亲族邻里)、“书”(读书)、“蔬”(种菜)、“鱼”(养鱼)、“猪”(养猪)，作为治家之道的八字诀，叮嘱家人时时留心，躬身实践。实际上，像曾国藩家族这样的豪门大户，其成员干活多少是无关紧要的。曾国藩认为关键是要形成一种勤俭持爱的风气，养成勤俭致富的习惯，这样才能家运兴盛、家风融融、和乐太平。曾国藩时常对自己的言行进行剖析，把自己行为的对错得失告诉家人，以作为曾门子弟的借鉴，这也是他家教的方法之一。他曾给儿子写信，反省自己的不足。他说：“一家能勤能敬，虽乱世亦有兴旺气象；一身能勤能敬，虽愚人亦有贤智风味。吾生平于此二字少工夫，今谆谆则训吾昆弟子侄，务宜刻刻遵守。至要至要。”对家人的缺点错误，曾国藩能直接批评，使受批评者因受到指责而感到羞愧。他曾批评诸弟“不好收拾洁净”，批评澄弟“满腔骄傲之气”，批评六弟、季弟较懒，批评曾纪泽写字笔力太弱，看书成诵者太少，举止也不厚重。批评之后，他还能指出改正的方向，态度严肃中肯且平和，令家人心悦诚服。

 

[holytrinity33]

曾国藩的祖父颇有一套治家之法，致使家业兴旺。对此，他深为敬重，信守不移。他将祖父相传之家法概括为“早”(早起)、“扫”(洒扫)、“考”(祭祀祖宗)、“宝”(善待亲族邻里)、“书”(读书)、“蔬”(种菜)、“鱼”(养鱼)、“猪”(养猪)，作为治家之道的八字诀，叮嘱家人时时留心，躬身实践。实际上，像曾国藩家族这样的豪门大户，其成员干活多少是无关紧要的。曾国藩认为关键是要形成一种勤俭持爱的风气，养成勤俭致富的习惯，这样才能家运兴盛、家风融融、和乐太平。曾国藩时常对自己的言行进行剖析，把自己行为的对错得失告诉家人，以作为曾门子弟的借鉴，这也是他家教的方法之一。他曾给儿子写信，反省自己的不足。他说：“一家能勤能敬，虽乱世亦有兴旺气象；一身能勤能敬，虽愚人亦有贤智风味。吾生平于此二字少工夫，今谆谆则训吾昆弟子侄，务宜刻刻遵守。至要至要。”对家人的缺点错误，曾国藩能直接批评，使受批评者因受到指责而感到羞愧。他曾批评诸弟“不好收拾洁净”，批评澄弟“满腔骄傲之气”，批评六弟、季弟较懒，批评曾纪泽写字笔力太弱，看书成诵者太少，举止也不厚重。批评之后，他还能指出改正的方向，态度严肃中肯且平和，令家人心悦诚服。

Zeng Guofan's grandfather had quite a set of family management methods, which made the family business prosper. In this regard, he deeply respects and abides by it. He summarized the family law passed down by his grandfather as "zao" (get up early), "sweep" (sweep), "kao" (worship ancestors), "bao" (be kind to relatives and neighbors), "shu" (reading), "vegetable" (growing vegetables), "fish" (raising fish), and "pig" (raising pigs), as the eight-character formulas of family management, tell family members to always pay attention and practice. In fact, it doesn't matter how much the members of a wealthy family like the Zeng Guofan family work. Zeng Guofan believes that the key is to form an atmosphere of diligence, thrift and love, and to develop the habit of diligence and thrift to get rich, so that the family can be prosperous, the family atmosphere is harmonious, and there is peace and harmony. Zeng Guofan often analyzes his own words and deeds, and tells his family the right and wrong of his behavior as a reference for the children of Zengmen. This is also one of the methods of his family education. He once wrote to his son to reflect on his own inadequacies. He said: "If a family can be diligent and respectful, even in troubled times, they will be prosperous; if a person can be diligent and respectful, even if they are fools, they will be wise and wise. In my life, I have spent no little time on these two words. It should be followed at all times. It is the most important thing." Zeng Guofan can directly criticize the shortcomings and mistakes of his family, making the critics feel ashamed for being blamed. He once criticized the younger brothers for being "not easy to clean up", criticized younger brother Cheng for being "full of pride", criticized younger brother six and younger brother Ji for being lazy, criticized Zeng Jize for being too weak in writing, too few read and reciters, and not polite in manners. After criticism, he can point out the direction of correction, and his attitude is serious, fair and peaceful, which convinces his family.