[Advice]Gaming/Video Editting PC/ First time

Intsaiyan

Junior Member
Joined
May 27, 2016
Messages
18
Reaction score
0
Hi guys,

Just took a walk around sim lim, the price difference between i7 4790k and i7 6700k is not much like 15dollars. Anyways came across this article

Z170 vs Z97: What is the Difference?(article from puget systems, sorry i cant link, please google on my behalf)

1)It says that skylake has many improvements over haswell like increased bandwith and more ports etc, so is there any reason why I should get the 4790k over the 6700k?

Also, what are some good motherboards i can consider given these processors?

2)Secondly, I'll be investing in adobe premiere in the future since it has a better GPU support, after all it's all about the editor haha. Now, given this, what GPU would you recommend?
 

wkweewee

High Supremacy Member
Joined
Sep 25, 2013
Messages
26,900
Reaction score
14
Hi guys,

Just took a walk around sim lim, the price difference between i7 4790k and i7 6700k is not much like 15dollars. Anyways came across this article

Z170 vs Z97: What is the Difference?(article from puget systems, sorry i cant link, please google on my behalf)

1)It says that skylake has many improvements over haswell like increased bandwith and more ports etc, so is there any reason why I should get the 4790k over the 6700k?

Also, what are some good motherboards i can consider given these processors?

2)Secondly, I'll be investing in adobe premiere in the future since it has a better GPU support, after all it's all about the editor haha. Now, given this, what GPU would you recommend?

1)Cheaper mobo+chip combi, cuz it's previous generation. New series more features on mobo, but you might not need it.

2)Still mid range gpu if u are doing it for fun. Cc has no very strict special requirement for gpu.

Welcome you to the superman team :s13:
U03wBU4.jpg
 

wkweewee

High Supremacy Member
Joined
Sep 25, 2013
Messages
26,900
Reaction score
14
But support from adobe has been quite poor since it has turned subscription based. Previous version has audio sync issues which cause a lot of stuttering and errors. Many complained on the forum le including moi.. but they kept on pin pointing on the wrong things. In the end some forumer came up with a weird tweak/ workaround to resolve the issue.

A few months later den got new patch (feb 2016 if i rmbed correctly) :s22: and it has been months again since I have heard any notifications from the adobe update manager :s13:

Anyway this feb aka the latest version is pretty stable. Not so sure about the next haha.
 

ZrE0_Cha0s

Arch-Supremacy Member
Joined
Jun 21, 2011
Messages
16,703
Reaction score
26
Hi guys,

Just took a walk around sim lim, the price difference between i7 4790k and i7 6700k is not much like 15dollars. Anyways came across this article

Z170 vs Z97: What is the Difference?(article from puget systems, sorry i cant link, please google on my behalf)

1)It says that skylake has many improvements over haswell like increased bandwith and more ports etc, so is there any reason why I should get the 4790k over the 6700k?

Also, what are some good motherboards i can consider given these processors?

2)Secondly, I'll be investing in adobe premiere in the future since it has a better GPU support, after all it's all about the editor haha. Now, given this, what GPU would you recommend?

Well if u base on chips ok 15 dollars difference, but what about mobo, skylake with i7 minimum u still need 600+ ~ 700+, haswell cost u lesser with minimum of 500+ but if u really dun mind den i try to find a cheap z170.

but z97 vs z170 is just more features, those features that z170 have, z97 also have but not that many. also currently z97 is quite limited so not much to choose from.

if u still want gtx 970, keep waiting for next few months. otherwise u can get amd r9 380 or 380x or 390 (if u ok to increase budget.)
 

Intsaiyan

Junior Member
Joined
May 27, 2016
Messages
18
Reaction score
0
Hi all,

Okay according to the price lists that I picked up today, the ASUS z97k and z170k has only about $70-$80 difference so given the small margin would the z170k be a better option to get?
 

ZrE0_Cha0s

Arch-Supremacy Member
Joined
Jun 21, 2011
Messages
16,703
Reaction score
26
Hi all,

Okay according to the price lists that I picked up today, the ASUS z97k and z170k has only about $70-$80 difference so given the small margin would the z170k be a better option to get?

i would say get skylake if u intend to do minor upgrade in a later time.
 

Intsaiyan

Junior Member
Joined
May 27, 2016
Messages
18
Reaction score
0
I will go with the skylake build +gtx970 then! Thank you all for your help, if you have any advice on coolers etc please comment as well, would love to know more.

Also, any advice on how to assemble it up myself would be greatly appreciated/linking me to sites where I can learn more about assembly.
 

ZrE0_Cha0s

Arch-Supremacy Member
Joined
Jun 21, 2011
Messages
16,703
Reaction score
26
I will go with the skylake build +gtx970 then! Thank you all for your help, if you have any advice on coolers etc please comment as well, would love to know more.

Also, any advice on how to assemble it up myself would be greatly appreciated/linking me to sites where I can learn more about assembly.

CPU cooler will need to see if u want slient or want to OC and how much budget u goona set will determine either u get air cooler or liquid cooling. (ofc cheapest is air cooling)

Well there are a lot of diy videos on the youtube, u can learn from any of them.
 

Intsaiyan

Junior Member
Joined
May 27, 2016
Messages
18
Reaction score
0
Hi all again, came across this.

''The GPU Acceleration is for accelerated playback, GPU accelerated effects, deinterlacing, blending modes, scaling and rendering the previews and final output.

Adobe Premiere CC 2015, CC 2014, CC, CS6 CS5.5 and CS5 does NOT use the GPU for encoding or decoding the video, only the CPU is used for that.''

Does this mean that GPU's are more important for real-time playback in preview and CPU's is more important in cutting down rendering time for adobe premiere? Please explain!

Also, to preview in real time, would it matter if the clips are in SSD vs HDD
 

kandinsky

Master Member
Joined
Jan 7, 2015
Messages
4,693
Reaction score
10
Hi all again, came across this.

''The GPU Acceleration is for accelerated playback, GPU accelerated effects, deinterlacing, blending modes, scaling and rendering the previews and final output.

Adobe Premiere CC 2015, CC 2014, CC, CS6 CS5.5 and CS5 does NOT use the GPU for encoding or decoding the video, only the CPU is used for that.''

Does this mean that GPU's are more important for real-time playback in preview and CPU's is more important in cutting down rendering time for adobe premiere? Please explain!

Read this FAQ post by Kevin Monahan (Support Product Manager for digital video products at Adobe) on the Adobe Forums, it answers your questions:

https://forums.adobe.com/thread/2122549

FAQ: How do I speed up rendering, exporting, or encoding?

"How do I improve rendering, or export times?" is a common question and theme we see on the forums. Fortunately, there are things you can do to export more quickly. The trouble is that most of the time you could save in the exporting process begins before the editing even takes place. Though that's a bit disappointing, we'll give you both tips for getting the job done today and some tips for future projects.

Note: the terms rendering, exporting, and encoding are often used interchangeably (though technically, they have slightly different meanings). For the purposes of this article, we'll use the terms "export" and "encode" when we're speaking about outputting a file to your computer. Keep in mind that the term "rendering" is also used when describing the creation of preview files, which comes into play in this FAQ, as well.

Hardware Considerations
The first thing in improving encoding speed is to consider your hardware.

CPUs: Encoding is a CPU intensive process, so the main control you have over export times is to have the fastest CPUs possible installed in your computer. More CPUs are better, as well. Consider that another computer in your facility, school, or home office might have faster CPUs.

Additional hard drives, RAID arrays, etc.: Another hardware consideration is to have a separate hard drive (or RAID array), minimum, that you are encoding to. It helps quite a bit if it is a high-speed drive (or RAID) for transferring the file data. Many prefer SSD drives for that purpose. Separate high speed drives for preview files can also assist the encoding process. Pay attention to how hard drives are connected so that transfer rates are optimized. Internally connected drives are typically the fastest. A RAID optimized for both redundancy and speed can be installed inside the computer for encoding. Using an external drive (or RAID) for encoding? The way external drives are connected to your computer and the speed of those drives can vary greatly, as well. You'll want the fastest connection possible available for your computer.

GPU: a GPU of any type does not assist the actual encoding process, so it is important to set expectations for the GPU accordingly when evaluating and monitoring your computer's performance in the exporting process. We see a good number of users that are disappointed that their GPU didn't make their encoding job go any faster, and wonder why it sits idle while monitoring encoding, so that is why we mention it. This blog post explains what a GPU can and cannot assist in the overall exporting process. In some cases in an exporting job, the GPU is used minimally, as there might not be many processes available for the GPU to handle. Real time GPU accelerated effects may not have been added to the sequence, for example.

That said, a system with a well performing GPU (or even dual GPUs or more) can be a boon to improving encoding times, as indicated in this article. Some editors create sequences with a great deal of GPU accelerated effects, for example. The GPU offloads processing for items it can handle, like these effects, giving the CPUs the opportunity to focus on the encoding (rather than effects processing) which can speed up the entire process greatly.


https://forums.adobe.com/thread/2122549

Can also read this: http://www.adobe.com/content/dam/Ad...dfs/adobe-hardware-performance-whitepaper.pdf
 
Last edited:

wkweewee

High Supremacy Member
Joined
Sep 25, 2013
Messages
26,900
Reaction score
14
Hi all again, came across this.

''The GPU Acceleration is for accelerated playback, GPU accelerated effects, deinterlacing, blending modes, scaling and rendering the previews and final output.
Adobe Premiere CC 2015, CC 2014, CC, CS6 CS5.5 and CS5 does NOT use the GPU for encoding or decoding the video, only the CPU is used for that.''
Does this mean that GPU's are more important for real-time playback in preview and CPU's is more important in cutting down rendering time for adobe premiere? Please explain!
Ok.. if you favour a faster export time, get a cpu with more cores & scrimp on the gpu. If you favour a less stuttering playback preview experience, go for a mid range gpu (400-500) and scrimp on the cpu.

Not sure u read or not but that's what I'm saying. Bump.
 

wkweewee

High Supremacy Member
Joined
Sep 25, 2013
Messages
26,900
Reaction score
14
I still rmbed i got whacked last time when pp were saying how so much impt is gpu acceleration is bla bla this bla bla that and i refuted it. It is crucial, but definitely not a super must have.

You can try using i7 5960x & r9 270x gpu.. vs a i3/i5 with gtx 980ti/titan or even better cards.. the first built is still no horse run. Lol.
 

ZrE0_Cha0s

Arch-Supremacy Member
Joined
Jun 21, 2011
Messages
16,703
Reaction score
26
I still rmbed i got whacked last time when pp were saying how so much impt is gpu acceleration is bla bla this bla bla that and i refuted it. It is crucial, but definitely not a super must have.

You can try using i7 5960x & r9 270x gpu.. vs a i3/i5 with gtx 980ti/titan or even better cards.. the first built is still no horse run. Lol.

why not tell him to get Xeon chips+ high tier Nivida/AMD card? should be good enough to handle both side. :s13:
 

Intsaiyan

Junior Member
Joined
May 27, 2016
Messages
18
Reaction score
0
Not sure u read or not but that's what I'm saying. Bump.
Ah sorry bro, I read but i thought that was regards to sony vegas only. Anyway will be posting my build up soon to get a final judgement from ya experts before i burn my wallet :)
 

Intsaiyan

Junior Member
Joined
May 27, 2016
Messages
18
Reaction score
0
Hi guys again,

I was thinking. Since I absolutely don't care about rendering time, only playbacks. What if i go for a i5 6600k OC and a gigabyte g1 gaming gtx970? Would that work?
 

ZrE0_Cha0s

Arch-Supremacy Member
Joined
Jun 21, 2011
Messages
16,703
Reaction score
26
Hi guys again,

I was thinking. Since I absolutely don't care about rendering time, only playbacks. What if i go for a i5 6600k OC and a gigabyte g1 gaming gtx970? Would that work?

well i still believe it will work but still if u planning on OC do u intend to do on a prolong period? if u want u will need at least a Z170 board (for more headroom to OC) and a good cpu cooler (air or AIO).

As for can u wait till the price drop happening? if u are not going to wait, i still think u can get a cheap GTX 970 though. since not that much performance differences. and can push that money to ur OC.
 

Intsaiyan

Junior Member
Joined
May 27, 2016
Messages
18
Reaction score
0
Nope, I won't, i feel like i'll only OC during rendering? I don't think i'll be waiting for the price drop(how much would it drop by,guestimate?)


Edit: @wkweewee, what are your thoughts, you use adobe premiere CC too am i right?
 

wkweewee

High Supremacy Member
Joined
Sep 25, 2013
Messages
26,900
Reaction score
14
Nope, I won't, i feel like i'll only OC during rendering? I don't think i'll be waiting for the price drop(how much would it drop by,guestimate?)
Edit: @wkweewee, what are your thoughts, you use adobe premiere CC too am i right?

Yeah should be fine if exporting time is not ur concern. But normally pp would want to churn out their files fast lol.
 
Important Forum Advisory Note
This forum is moderated by volunteer moderators who will react only to members' feedback on posts. Moderators are not employees or representatives of HWZ Forums. Forum members and moderators are responsible for their own posts. Please refer to our Community Guidelines and Standards and Terms and Conditions for more information.
Top