Advice on DIY PC

[socrates]

Updated from Bizgram. $1155 was too good a price.

 

[vince123123]

Thanks Socrates, I'll take a look at it.

Btw anyone has any recommendations/comments on a GPU? As mentioned, I don't really game, but what I need is multiple monitors, so I chose the 5500XT.

Overall, my inspiration came from this link:

https://techbuyersguru.com/1500-stock-trading-pc-build

 

[hafiz116]

Thanks hafiz once again!

At this stage in my life, I'm more of a fuss-free person although I used to be a PC enthusiast years ago (hence the initial comment about being out of touch). I would still say I'm a power user though, although I don't play games anymore.

Between the AIO and aftermarket air cooling, I'm gravitating towards the latter to avoid problems such as pump spoil, leaking etc after 2-3 years which I've read about online. Since I'm not really overclocking, do I need an AIO cooler still? Not too sure about how much I'll need to push the CPU to based on the tasks I am doing.

For aftermarket aircooling, what would you recommend?

Finally, why would you recommend the x570 route compared to a B550 route (which was recommended by NightRaven)? It seems the major difference is the Gen 4 PCI part - how important is this?

So here is why I suggested the X570 TUF Gaming board: -

1. Its almost the same price as the B550 as you mentioned earlier.
2. The X570 is a very well reviewed board in terms of VRM performance and getting a mid range good board would be the path I would be on.
3. If you have any applications that can make use of PCIe 4.0 NVMe drives you cans slot one of those in - that is a BIG IF!

With regards to AIO they are exactly that,.. all-in-one so you should not have to do any maintenance etc. I'm currently using one and happy with it. Doubt I would go air cooling again for my own PC but that's just me.

For your rendering work, that may use all cores and push the CPU harder than you think - great news is that it will complete your tasks a lot faster but the CPU temp will jump up so monitor that.

 

[NightRaven49]

Thanks Socrates, I'll take a look at it.

Btw anyone has any recommendations/comments on a GPU? As mentioned, I don't really game, but what I need is multiple monitors, so I chose the 5500XT.

Overall, my inspiration came from this link:

https://techbuyersguru.com/1500-stock-trading-pc-build

i would have wanted to recommend nvidia since amd's drivers can be a headache with navi gpus, but the only 1650 super (which is in the same price bracket as the 5500xt) with the same connectivity options of 3x dp 1.4 and 1x hdmi 2 is msi's gaming/x, the rest being 1 hdmi 1 dp and 1 dvi, but most sls retailers dont stock it (most stock the ventus xs oc instead). it seems like most 5500xt cards have the 3 dp 1 hdmi output, so it might suit your needs better and performs very slightly faster than than the 1650 super.

also regarding b550 vs x570, i still feel that b550 is still the better option, primarily because if u look at the really barebones boards, their vrm performance is still very admirable and they can save u massive buck.
for instance, with the 3700x, x570 tomahawk (which has better thermals than the tuf gaming) and b550 a pro:

the x570 tuf gaming costs $840 while the b550 a pro costs $680 (prices from bizgram), both bundled with a 3700x. even when paired with a 3950x, the b550 still performs well:

its really up to u to decide if spending $160 more for a up to 17 degrees cooler mobo is worth it though.

EDIT: x570 tomahawk is cheaper than the tuf gaming by quite a fair margin at $780, also from bizgram. but thats still a $100 more than the b550.

 

[vince123123]

Thanks for your recommendations on the GPU.

Should I then go for the 1660 Supers as that seems to have 4 monitor outs (e.g. 2 HDMI 2 DP) - the MSI seems to be almost the same price at $359.

How bad are these driver problems for AMD?

i would have wanted to recommend nvidia since amd's drivers can be a headache with navi gpus, but the only 1650 super (which is in the same price bracket as the 5500xt) with the same connectivity options of 3x dp 1.4 and 1x hdmi 2 is msi's gaming/x, the rest being 1 hdmi 1 dp and 1 dvi, but most sls retailers dont stock it (most stock the ventus xs oc instead). it seems like most 5500xt cards have the 3 dp 1 hdmi output, so it might suit your needs better and performs very slightly faster than than the 1650 super.

also regarding b550 vs x570, i still feel that b550 is still the better option, primarily because if u look at the really barebones boards, their vrm performance is still very admirable and they can save u massive buck.
for instance, with the 3700x, x570 tomahawk (which has better thermals than the tuf gaming) and b550 a pro:

the x570 tuf gaming costs $840 while the b550 a pro costs $680 (prices from bizgram), both bundled with a 3700x. even when paired with a 3950x, the b550 still performs well:

its really up to u to decide if spending $160 more for a up to 17 degrees cooler mobo is worth it though.

EDIT: x570 tomahawk is cheaper than the tuf gaming by quite a fair margin at $780, also from bizgram. but thats still a $100 more than the b550.

 

[NightRaven49]

Thanks for your recommendations on the GPU.

Should I then go for the 1660 Supers as that seems to have 4 monitor outs (e.g. 2 HDMI 2 DP) - the MSI seems to be almost the same price at $359.

How bad are these driver problems for AMD?

there's a quite a number of threads around here that complain about navi driver issues, and apparently could be a contributing factor in reports that claim higher rma rates for amd cards. however it doesn't seem to affect a significant portion of users, so it should be safe should u decide to go for the 5500xt.

1660 super might be a good choice too, I think most models should have the 4 outputs, so it's a lot wider variety than the 1650 super cards, so not much to worry about there. however u will have to pony up more if going for shops at sls, I've seen 5500xts go around the $280 mark for the 4gb model, while the cheapest 1660 super is about $330. u do get 2 more gb of vram and quite a performance bump, but also really up to u to decide whether it's worth the premium, especially since you're not gaming. in fact if you're going for purely display out, u could consider even lower end cards like the rx580 or even (dare I say) gt710.

 

[yusoffb01]

Hi all, I've been out of touch for a while, so I would be grateful if you guys could shed some light and elaborate on why you would recommend AMD over Intel?

Amd is cheaper, uses less power and have higher performance compared to similar price brackets, not susceptible to scepter or meltdown vulnerability so no performance penalty in windows 10, socket doesn't change every year ie more future proof

 

[ItsmeagainhK]

If you compare the highest end cpu from both intel and amd...

generally
amd: cheaper, lots of cores, lower speed, good if need multi core usage
intel: more exp, lesser cost, higher single core speed, better fps in games

 

[Gondon72]

I am aware that Amazon prices are really cheap, and buy most of my other PC peripherals (like HDDs etc) from there. However, Following from my comment earlier about being fuss free, I don't have a lot of time now to update myself (I used to do that long ago) or troubleshoot on DIY build, so what I intend to do is simply send a list of parts to PC Themes or Fuwell and get them to build it for me.

Many years ago i would prefer to go to PC themes to build my system (not sure about now).

However, if you are going to DIY yourself, then i would suggest to go to tradepac to buy (Their price is discount is not bad, provided that you know what you want to buy).

 

[katoboy]

Many years ago i would prefer to go to PC themes to build my system (not sure about now).

However, if you are going to DIY yourself, then i would suggest to go to tradepac to buy (Their price is discount is not bad, provided that you know what you want to buy).

If purchase all items from them do they give free installation and testing.

 

[NightRaven49]

socket doesn't change every year ie more future proof

going to change very soon, so with the 3700x its only going to be 1 more generation upgrade to the 4000 series, as good as buying intel at this point.

 

[vince123123]

Hi all,

Thanks to those who gave invaluable feedback. After consideration, here's what the amended version looks like:

Asus TUF Gaming X570-Plus Wifi
AMD R7 3700X
Corsair Veng Pro RGB 3600MHz CL18 (16GB x 2)
MSI GTX1660 SUPER VENTUS XS 6GB
Corsair MP600 M.2 NVME 1TB

CM MASTERBOX CM694 ATX W/TG (BLACK)
C.MASTER V650 V2 650W 80+ GOLD
Silverstone PF 240 AIO Liquid Cooling
Windows 10 64 bit

The main changes are to switch from Intel to AMD, the x570 MB, a 1660 GPU (the cheapest one with 4 displays) and switching the SSD to the Corsair MP600 since now PCI4 can be supported.

Would this setup be more feasible? It is about $400 cheaper than the previous one.

Also, anyone has any recommendation on the AIO cooler? I just picked the one at random that seemed cheap.

 

[clay9477]

Hi all,

Thanks to those who gave invaluable feedback. After consideration, here's what the amended version looks like:

Asus TUF Gaming X570-Plus Wifi
AMD R7 3700X
Corsair Veng Pro RGB 3600MHz CL18 (16GB x 2)
MSI GTX1660 SUPER VENTUS XS 6GB
Corsair MP600 M.2 NVME 1TB

CM MASTERBOX CM694 ATX W/TG (BLACK)
C.MASTER V650 V2 650W 80+ GOLD
Silverstone PF 240 AIO Liquid Cooling
Windows 10 64 bit

The main changes are to switch from Intel to AMD, the x570 MB, a 1660 GPU (the cheapest one with 4 displays) and switching the SSD to the Corsair MP600 since now PCI4 can be supported.

Would this setup be more feasible? It is about $400 cheaper than the previous one.

Also, anyone has any recommendation on the AIO cooler? I just picked the one at random that seemed cheap.

Would avoid AIO, too much of a hassle to keep a lookout for leaks which will occur eventually when the tube erodes.

Try going for air cooler instead. Cheap ones like Cooler Master 212, Deepcool Gammaxx 400 V2.
Medium range prices include Scythe Fuma or Mugen, Be Quiet Dark Rock.
Top end is Noctua.
To be honest, all will cool your CPU without issue since it is only 65TDP, is just how much you wanna spend, ability to fit in case.

 

[RyoHarusaki]

4 display gpu

Get a rx580 8gb for $200+

No need 1660s

 

[NightRaven49]

Hi all,

Thanks to those who gave invaluable feedback. After consideration, here's what the amended version looks like:

Asus TUF Gaming X570-Plus Wifi
AMD R7 3700X
Corsair Veng Pro RGB 3600MHz CL18 (16GB x 2)
MSI GTX1660 SUPER VENTUS XS 6GB
Corsair MP600 M.2 NVME 1TB

CM MASTERBOX CM694 ATX W/TG (BLACK)
C.MASTER V650 V2 650W 80+ GOLD
Silverstone PF 240 AIO Liquid Cooling
Windows 10 64 bit

The main changes are to switch from Intel to AMD, the x570 MB, a 1660 GPU (the cheapest one with 4 displays) and switching the SSD to the Corsair MP600 since now PCI4 can be supported.

Would this setup be more feasible? It is about $400 cheaper than the previous one.

Also, anyone has any recommendation on the AIO cooler? I just picked the one at random that seemed cheap.

still dont see why u would want to get an x570 board when b550 boards are pretty good in vrm performance while being way cheaper.

in particular, the b550m pro4 with the 3700x can be found at bizgram for $630, a full $200 less than the tuf gaming while having very similar thermal performance. u still get niceties like usb 3.2 gen2 type c and a dedicated wifi card slot, for which an ax200 can be bought with the money saved (not like theyre that expensive anyway).

for the psu, i wouldnt go for cooler master, rather i would go for the seasonic focus gx650, which as far as i can tell is cheaper, offers the same 10 year warranty and is more proven platform. u cant go wrong with superflower units either. and tbh, its a relatively low power build so u can get away with picking a lower power psu and saving more money.

i dont think msi's 1660s is the cheapest, theres the zotac 1660s twin fan which is cheaper still at $315 (dynacore). in fact, u can drop down to a regular 1660 non super and still get your 4 display out with the zotac 1660 twin fan for $290 (bizgram). or u can go the used route and get a rx580 for under $200.

are aios fuss-free..? getting a really good air cooler would be easier, since u only have to mount it to the cpu, compared to having to mount the cpu block on the cpu and mounting the radiator to the case (plus mounting fans onto the radiator itself), and less long term maintenance. im also apprehensive about getting corsair rams for ryzen, and i would get lower latency rams too, say 3600cl16. u could look at other brands like crucial and gskill.

 

[vince123123]

Thanks for your comments.

B550 vs X570 - I'll look into this again.

PSU - I'm open to any recommendations. I just picked something random which is the same brand as the casing which is probably not very good justification. So the reason why you pick the seasonic is that it is cheaper? I think it is $159 vs CM's $169 at Fuwell.

GPU - Both the Zotac and the MSI are at $349 from Fuwell so I just picked the MSI.

Cooling - Based on the comments that followed the post you quoted, I've since decided to go air cooling route. Right now I'm thinking of CRYORIG H7 CPU COOLER as that seems cheap and fairly okay based on reviews, and is probably more than enough for my needs. In fact I'm even thinking of just using the stock cooler, but it seems the aftermarket ones can be quieter so that's an advantage in my book.

RAM - can you elaborate on why you are "apprehensive about getting corsair rams for ryzen"? The G.Skill Trident Z Royal 3600MHz CL16 seems to be $349 though compared to the Corsair Veng Pro RGB 3600MHz CL18 at $269. Any further information to help me decide would be appreciated.

still dont see why u would want to get an x570 board when b550 boards are pretty good in vrm performance while being way cheaper.

in particular, the b550m pro4 with the 3700x can be found at bizgram for $630, a full $200 less than the tuf gaming while having very similar thermal performance. u still get niceties like usb 3.2 gen2 type c and a dedicated wifi card slot, for which an ax200 can be bought with the money saved (not like theyre that expensive anyway).

for the psu, i wouldnt go for cooler master, rather i would go for the seasonic focus gx650, which as far as i can tell is cheaper, offers the same 10 year warranty and is more proven platform. u cant go wrong with superflower units either. and tbh, its a relatively low power build so u can get away with picking a lower power psu and saving more money.

i dont think msi's 1660s is the cheapest, theres the zotac 1660s twin fan which is cheaper still at $315 (dynacore). in fact, u can drop down to a regular 1660 non super and still get your 4 display out with the zotac 1660 twin fan for $290 (bizgram). or u can go the used route and get a rx580 for under $200.

are aios fuss-free..? getting a really good air cooler would be easier, since u only have to mount it to the cpu, compared to having to mount the cpu block on the cpu and mounting the radiator to the case (plus mounting fans onto the radiator itself), and less long term maintenance. im also apprehensive about getting corsair rams for ryzen, and i would get lower latency rams too, say 3600cl16. u could look at other brands like crucial and gskill.

 

[Nibbler]

I would think twice before using a motherboard with a chipset fan. These fans will eventually produce some annoying noise and they are difficult to replace yourself. If you're one of those unlucky owners, this problem can come early during its lifespan.

You can search youtube to see problems with these fans:
https://youtu.be/A9Lzrk9JBOI
https://youtu.be/cXQgWu_zIOU
(there are more)

Unless you're fine with completely disabling the fan, I would just go with B550 to have a peace of mind.

 

[Drawstring_Bag]

1. Amd ryzen 5 3600
2. Asus tuf gaming x570-plus wifi
3. Gigabyte Rx 5700 XT 8gb oc
4. G-skills ripjaws v 3000 16gb kit
5. Crucial MX500 500GB 3D NAND SATA 2.5 Inch Internal SSD
6. EVGA 100-W1-0500-KR 500 W1, 80+
7. Corsair carbide 275R mid-tower casing

Comments all? Worth it to ship or buy from SLS

I am a casual gamer. So the desktop at most use to play Witcher 3 lol

 

[hafiz116]

1. Amd ryzen 5 3600 - Can source from Amazon. I have seen it as low as $220, right now its priced at $242!
2. Asus tuf gaming x570-plus wifi - Amazon usually sells for about $260-$270 price has gone up now but if you monitor can get around that price point. Problem will come in if you need to RMA.
3. Gigabyte Rx 5700 XT 8gb oc - Can source locally as price difference is not much usually and RMA wont be a problem.
4. G-skills ripjaws v 3000 16gb kit - Go for 3200Mhz RAM which is the sweet spot for Ryzen. Again Amazon and will cost just over $100 for RGB RAM. Non RGB around $80
5. Crucial MX500 500GB 3D NAND SATA 2.5 Inch Internal SSD - Get an NVMe and if possible the WD Black SN750 which goes on Amazon for about $90!
6. EVGA 100-W1-0500-KR 500 W1, 80+ - can source locally
7. Corsair carbide 275R mid-tower casing - can source locally

 

[Lil_d3viLz]

1. Amd ryzen 5 3600
2. Asus tuf gaming x570-plus wifi
3. Gigabyte Rx 5700 XT 8gb oc
4. G-skills ripjaws v 3000 16gb kit
5. Crucial MX500 500GB 3D NAND SATA 2.5 Inch Internal SSD
6. EVGA 100-W1-0500-KR 500 W1, 80+
7. Corsair carbide 275R mid-tower casing

Comments all? Worth it to ship or buy from SLS

I am a casual gamer. So the desktop at most use to play Witcher 3 lol

What is the price given to you? 3600 and 5700xt is quite overly good already for casual gamer, given that u are on 1080p.