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Lucky177

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Just do anti microbial coating at your house will do! no need air purifier.

Prevention:
-Germs, bacterial 7 virus
-Mold & fungus
-Influenza virus

Protection:
-Self sterilizing
-Self sanitizing
-Self deodorant
-Self Air purifying

Experiment at your area to prove with test meter.

contact me @ 96892044 if you want to know more.
U mentioned... No need air purifier. Self air purifying.

Does that mean when during haze period, regardless of the psi, also no need air purifier? It will auto self purifying the air?

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everyone just report him for sales/advertising. What coating to replace air purifier.
 

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sorry, type self all the way. let me correct myself
Protection:
Self sterilizing
Self sanitizing
deodorizing
Air purifying
Ok. Thanks for sharing and clarification. So is similar to Dulux PURE, I guess...

But I think this thread is more about air purifiers for the haze period. So still need air purifier.

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i didnt say to replace air purifier. i only say no need air purifier

Ok ok. Since not replace, but is no need, so how will your coating remove PM2.5 particles from air? Since now I "no need" air purifier already, your coating will have to take over the task of scrubbing particles out of the air, right?
 

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Ok ok. Since not replace, but is no need, so how will your coating remove PM2.5 particles from air? Since now I "no need" air purifier already, your coating will have to take over the task of scrubbing particles out of the air, right?

Yeah it's strange. Air sterilizing and air purifying is different.

This thread is air purification meaning taking the dust out from the air. Anti microbial don't dissolve air particles ya?
 

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*coughs*

Pls don't, I myself also selling time to time (and may want to get rid of items here). :o

I don't mind if he's just selling his products based on it's own merits.
But coming into an air purifier thread and boldly proclaiming use his simi coating then no need air purifier? That's shiat.
 

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3M Filtrete is sourced from Amazon during end 2013 (after PSI 401 haze)
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This 3M one, I got for RMB52. Yields 3 x FCU pieces or SGD3.80 per piece.

Latest test is the PF75 OEM electrostatic filter from taobao.
Slightly not as good as the 3M Filtrete. But 3 times cheaper though vs the Taobao 3M Filtrete. But I'd not recommend this, unless you are not ngeow and want to use daily while keeping the lowest possible cost. It is only suitable for haze that's like below PSI 110. Or to lend a supporting hand to an air purifier that's undersized and you want excellent performance coz you have elderly/infants/folks with health issues like asthma/COPD/heart/lungs problems or operations

RMB 6 or SGD1.30 per piece, 70 x 30cm. Use for 1 x FCU. Change every 4 weeks during normal days. Or 7 slightly hazy days eg PSI 100.

http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z09.2.9.152.3HkuT0&id=44354836244&_u=c1u0hcibac30


I managed to start from 44 ug/m3 is coz I burnt tissue paper. That smoke is definitely in the 0.1-0.5 micron range.


Another eg on cost, Amazon is free ship for its big sized 3M Filtrete.
S17.55/SGD24 for 76cm x 152cm. This yields 7 x FCUs pieces, or SGD3.40 per piece.

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Yeah it's strange. Air sterilizing and air purifying is different.

This thread is air purification meaning taking the dust out from the air. Anti microbial don't dissolve air particles ya?

HEPA filters are perfectly capable of filtering (1) bacteria, they are really big (2) viruses spread via airborne infection on a nuclei, eg sneeze/cough aerosolised droplets. These droplets are much bigger than the viruses themselves.
And (3) Quite a number of viruses as well, but a sigle viruses(eg RNA material) really do not float in the air by themselves. They agglomerate or in the example of influenza, the droplet nuclei is several microns.

(you can google on the use of N95 and prevention of influenza, got several research studies done stating that does filters extremely well for wearers)

HEPA filters do operate below 0.3 microns. That is just the MPPS or Most Penetrating Particle Size. They do this by the diffusion effect. eg Samsung AX40 or AX60 filters are tested to be 99% efficient as well at 0.1 microns.

HEPA filters are used in infectious diseases isolation rooms, like SARS, MERS-CoV. Just a matter of different grading/quality. But they do work around the same ballpark and same principle.

Lastly, the manufacturers do test the filtration performance against various HxNx viruses. Eg Samsung/Sharp.

But it is true that some agglomerated viruses are still extremely small and their infectious "dosage" is very low. But for the influenza viruses that we are concerned with spread via aerosolised coughs, sneeze, they are captured very verywell with HEPA. In a healthcare setting, some procedures like intubation generates a good amount of aerosols. Hence needing negative pressure rooms, HEPA filtration, N95/N99/N100 and PPEs.
 

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Just googled, the most common common cold is caused by the rhinovirus and it's highly contagious. Its 30nm or 0.03 microns for the virus particle, assuming that it does float around by itself (usually they don't, usually they agglomerate or attaches to a droplet nuclei). Maybe a bit small to be captured by regular HEPA used in our APs and besides it's high contagious meaning it just takes a wee bit to kena.
An influenza A virus particle by itself is usually 0.08 - 0.12 microns.


In that case, stuff like Samsung's SPI Virusdoctor or Sharp Plasmacluster takes over. They do tests stating that it does inactivate viruses, esp Plasmacluster.

Even the cheapie Sharp A28 @ $99 has plasmacluster.


Rhinovirus is one of the smallest types of virus, with a diameter of around 30 nanometers. Most other viruses such as vaccinia or smallpox are around ten times this size, with diameters of about 300 nanometers. Rhinoviruses contain single-stranded positive sense RNA as their genetic material.
 
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Interesting thing about viruses and HEPA :

Note - IQAir HyperHEPA does claim theirs filter to a high 99% degree down to 0.01 microns. Versus regular HEPA (I guess that means our H13) is 75% at 0.01 to 0.02 microns. But I don't think most of the people out there need this.
Independent report: http://www.vitalitools.nl/downloads/iqair/IQ MB-IndepLabTest 2904 GB.pdf

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Must interprete the data carefully.
Efficiency for Synthetic HEPA vs HyperHEPA for cat allergen that's 0.3-3.0 microns - the Synthetic HEPA is 84%.
Efficiency for Synthetic HEPA vs HyperHEPA for mold spores that's 3.0-5.0 microns - Mold spores is 93%.
So it is likely that the Synthetic HEPA is only H10 or E10/HEPA 10 @ 85%. Not even Taobao quality (with my measurements). And even then, the efficiency for viruses with Synthetic HEPA is 75% for 0.01-0.02 microns.

Also, the air cleaner efficiency loss @ 0.3 microns over time depicted in the report, that does not happen from my measurements, with the adequately sized Taobao or Sharp/Samsung H13 filters.

But do note - if you do overfilter your room, eg small bedroom with a Samsung AX40, it's gonna work as well. To go more extreme a $615 711 m3/hr 48dB Samsung AX60 in a bigger Master bedroom furnished with bed/wardrobe/tv console etc is going to work even better with close to 20 ACHs.
With each pass, that virus load in the air is just going to get lesser and lesser, same with haze particles. And with good Air Changes Per Hour, it just works. eg MERS/SARS isolation rooms are specced with at least 20 ACHs.
 
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Think I have never posted before...

> 99%, 13sqm room, 2hrs. 1 plasmacluster module.
Add in the HEPA filter, you'd probably be great.

Got 3 units here...lol


 

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Talking about viruses... there's this Coway RDB plasma purifier, 7-stage of filtration. Not sure whether good or not? Compared with the Sharp plasmacluster? Anyone using?

Coway AP-1511FHE

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Anyway, I guess the majority of us is not really afraid about viruses and APs removing them. More for haze/air pollutants etc. We have immunity, and sometimes it's good to get some cold/coughs (not H5N7 or MERS, of course! Too tokong liao) so that our iummunity remembers. :D

Coway (South Korean) is good, but expensive. Never been able to search for them at great prices though. The biggest brand is Winix, but never caught on here.
 

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Anyway, I guess the majority of us is not really afraid about viruses and APs removing them. More for haze/air pollutants etc. We have immunity, and sometimes it's good to get some cold/coughs (not H5N7 or MERS, of course! Too tokong liao) so that our iummunity remembers. :D

Coway (South Korean) is good, but expensive. Never been able to search for them at great prices though. The biggest brand is Winix, but never caught on here.
Ya. Agree.

For Winix brand, I think I saw selling at Isetan@Westgate.

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